Chuck VS Steven ?

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creasy

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well well, all said and done. You all might be right, Chuck being a great fighter thats true. Steven being a excellent aikidoist. I think between them two, Steven would have dominated, not just because of skill and size but because he has discover how to use his opponent force agianst himself. I think we all have forgotten how power aikido can be, If what i have studied is correct even if that contest between Chuck & Steven would take place today Steven would win. If you think thats a little far fetched, check out how Morihei Uyeshiba performed aikido at his late age, aikido is not about strenght size and speed. If you are one with technique, overcoming you opponent becomes a breaze.

Creasy
 

Pandora

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Well said Creasy. Don't know why some newbies call themselves "fans".
Perhaps they should go over to the Chuck Norris fan site. I like Chuck too, but he has a totally different style to Steven. Steven's technique is amazing - even those who have disabilities can learn to use those techniques for self defence.
 

DRAGONKING

DRAGONKING
They are both good, but different. Chuck`s motivations were competition oriented, wanting to gain medals, trophies, coloured belts and a reputation. Aikido is the Way of Harmony. There is no competition because it`s goals are far beyond that. Martial art wise, it is about life and death, not how many trophies you have. Steven trained with the masters in an environment which was not favourable to "foreiners", where only the most physically and mentally fit could endure up to eight hours a day of severe training. It is for this reason I believe that Chuck would not have been much of a match for Steven. I think the world of Chuck and have the upmost respect for him, but against an Aikido master, there are not many who would stand a chance.

When the hungry fox chases the rabbit, the rabbit will nearly always get away, for while the fox is running for it`s dinner, the rabbit is running for it`s life.
Best to everyone,
DragonKing.
 

usernametaken

CHUCK CHUCK CHUCK
"but against an Aikido master"

styles dont win fights, is this a Steven Segal forum or a homage to the power & greatness of Aikido?
 

legion

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Steve would methodically destroy Chuck Norris, he certainly would be able to defend himself! Retract this Blasphemy!
 

big matt

Fe Fi Fo Fum
He would do that little bitch slap move he always does, you know the one - the girly fight flailing of arms that would never work in a real scrap!

Whereas Chuck would roundhouse his ass to purgatory with the awesome power of his manly beard.

Your all seriously under-estimating Chuck. Start praying he hasnt read this or you've all had it.
 

Pandora

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big matt said:
He would do that little bitch slap move he always does, you know the one - the girly fight flailing of arms that would never work in a real scrap!

Whereas Chuck would roundhouse his ass to purgatory with the awesome power of his manly beard.

Your all seriously under-estimating Chuck. Start praying he hasnt read this or you've all had it.

Why are you here?
 

big matt

Fe Fi Fo Fum
Because you all take it so serious!

Lighten up, he's only a an actor NOT GOD.

Relax, if you cant smile and laugh at yourself and a little joke i.e Chuck Norris and The god like Steven Seagal having a fight you have got serious issues.

And before you all start this Newbiw fan **** - I am a fan of seagal, have been for years, but I find the fact you all get so wound up by nothing more than fun HILARIOUS.

Wake up you little stalker - Seagal isnt even aware you exist! Have some fun at me if you want to BUT DONT DARE START CHUCK BASHING. Or in other words its only a joke.
 

Pandora

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Newbie to this site, not newbie fan. You obviously like to stir the s***.
You must lead a boring life my friend LOLOL!!!!
 

reno77

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chuck vs seagal

Norris indeed was a karate champ but he was only a point fighter according to his biography. Bill Superfoot wallace as well as Joe lewis made the transition from point fighting to full contact in the 70's. That does not discredit him but is something to consider. Seagal too has never competed in tournaments. He is howver much bigger than Norris so it would be interesting to see. Presently, Norris appears to be in the same shape he was back in his championship days while Seagal has unfortunately gained considerable weight and has slowed down quite noticably based on the recent films I have seen.
 

Pandora

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reno77 said:
Norris indeed was a karate champ but he was only a point fighter according to his biography. Bill Superfoot wallace as well as Joe lewis made the transition from point fighting to full contact in the 70's. That does not discredit him but is something to consider. Seagal too has never competed in tournaments. He is howver much bigger than Norris so it would be interesting to see. Presently, Norris appears to be in the same shape he was back in his championship days while Seagal has unfortunately gained considerable weight and has slowed down quite noticably based on the recent films I have seen.

Point taken, but I cannot see any logic in comparing the two fighters as they are both so different. Bit like putting a boxer in the ring with a wrestler.
 

reno77

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chuck vs seagal

I presume that the point of this topic is whether one would preveail over the other in a real fight(street fight, if you will). So I just introduced a few points that would come into play. I agree that if it were a kickboxing/striking only tournament or a wrestling/grappling ring fight, the fact that both Seagal and Norris have different fighting styles would indeed be a factor. It is my belief that in a one on one street type fight, the one who would be able to dictate the type of fighting method utilized would prevail. For example: if Norris were able to attack and connect with kicks and punches, he would probably secure the victory. Ofcourse this would be ideal if both fighters were the same age. Something interesting to entertain anyway.
 

take-sensei

Die Hard Seagal fan!
Steven Seagal vs. Chuck Norris

I think Seagal is still in good shape and he is in a good health, and I think that Seagal (was/is) so well trained that he will win the fight against Norris. If you've seen The Black Beld Test in The Path Beyond Thought, you know what I mean with well trained. Seagal is also trained to perform Randori, which is a part of The Black Beld test etc.

(I'm sorry if my spelling is not right or my sentences build is wrong, but I really want to say this :))
 

reno77

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Chuck vs Seagal

It would have been good to see more of the blackbelt testing in the Path beyond Thought video you mentioned. I would have also enjoyed seeing some of the punching and kicking techniques that one of the Aikidoka mentioned (Renosa perhaps?) which was supposed to be allowed in the blackbelt testing. It is interesting to note that the students being tested for promotion struggled with great difficulty once the fighting distance was narrowed. Whether they were still standing or taken down, the fight was basically over. It is good that Seagal was encouraging them to keep the "fight" going as it instills in them the ability to perservere against overwhelming odds.
With regards to Segals current physical condition, I don't know of any athlete who is excessively overweight by his previous standards and performs well in a sporting event ex: Olympic athletes, boxers, soccer players, Judoka, etc...
I certainly do not think it interferes with the more esoteric/meditative aspects of martial arts but it is not the ideal condition for combat. I see a radical change in Seagal's physique vis a vis his Above the Law film and in the Path Beyond Thought video. Although older, I do not see that radical physical change in other martial artists such as full contact fighter Joe Lewis, judoka Hayward Nishioka, Chuck Norris, Don Wilson, etc... I think it is a matter of dedication involved. In our discussion of the hypothetical fight between Norris and Seagal, if all else were equal, the result of the fight would rest on whoever was in better shape.
I have seen several interviews with both Seagal and Norris, as well as seeing them in person in recent years, and have found them to be especially cordial and considerate when discussing other martial artists and assessing their abilities whenever the question arrises. This is quite contrary when reading some of the negative comments attributed to them, especially Seagal, in the print press. Norris has seldom been attacked, maybe due to his PR, but unfortunately Segal has been much maligned.
 

reno77

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Chuck vs Seagal

I didn't perceive the question as being about the superiority of one style against another but if it was the main point of the topic, it would be difficult indeed as any number of styles have their inherent strong points and weak points. Bruce Lee and Joe Lewis were correct when they illustrated that to be a "true" fighter, a person must strive to abandon the limitations of one branch of martial art and try to deal with the attack in the most direct and simple means in order to extricate himself from the situation. After all, combat is combat. Do what you must to survive the assault: kicks,punches,throws,finger jabs and so on.
 

aikidoboynj

"Lookin fit Nelson"
Well Chuck also has a proven record. It is hard to judge against someone who has faced legit competition and has won, to one who has just studied alot aka Seagal. I just have a feeling that Norris could take him, he seems more dedicated and takes care of himself a lot better.

In the movie world though, Seagals movies are better, his fight scenes are more entertaining and staged brialliantly(well before 1992 I mean), his plots are better, and I think he has a better persona and just plays the role better.

Real Life isn't about that though...
 

take-sensei

Die Hard Seagal fan!
I think, If it comes to a real and fair tournament, and Seagal will take it seriously he will do his 'Tunder and Lighting show' (which you see on seminars), and which I mean by that he is incredibly fast, and will do his techniques as precisely as he can, and he will finally beat Norris, it will take some time, but eventually he will do his last powerful technique, and Norris will fall on the ground ;).

Greets take-sensei
 
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