Did the unthinkable (my Aikido journey)

TDWoj

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Abhi;185483 said:
Is it the end of the journey then ?

Thank you for visiting, and asking, and no, the journey's not quite over yet.

I've had a lot of things happen in the past few months that have affected how often I practise. I can say now, that my father passed away two months ago and I have been coping with my loss. I've also had another injury (not aikido related) that has affected my practice, but I'm slowly returning to practicing regularly and I think I might just take my 2nd kyu test, just so that I can get into the teaching track in my dojo.

I will let you know how things develop.
 

TDWoj

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tigerfeet;185653 said:
Hey TD, you are awesome just for getting out there!
I have been thinking for awhile that I need to get back into a dojo. The last time I tried was in different city to where I am now - I think they forgot about the whole "respect" thing there, and I left feeling humiliated and frustrated.
But you have inspired me to try again!
I'll let you know how it (and I) rolls...

You need to find the right dojo, with the right instructors. I got very lucky in that the first dojo I went to seemed to be the right one for me. There are, I think, 9 dojos in Toronto (this seems to blow folks away from other locales), although I think among them are two that are not Aikikai (one Yoshinkai and one Ki Society, I believe), but even so, that's a lot of dojos in one city! So I had several to choose from had the one I chose initially not turned out to be the right one for me.

I hope it was not the instructors who showed lack of respect. It is their responsibility to make sure new students feel they are being looked after and taught well. Speak to the head instructor if there is a problem (sometimes class instructors are just senior students who are not black belts and they may not have been taught how to teach properly).

I'll be waiting to hear from you to find out how you are getting on! Keep in touch!
 

tigerfeet

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TDWoj;185709 said:
You need to find the right dojo, with the right instructors. I got very lucky in that the first dojo I went to seemed to be the right one for me. There are, I think, 9 dojos in Toronto (this seems to blow folks away from other locales), although I think among them are two that are not Aikikai (one Yoshinkai and one Ki Society, I believe), but even so, that's a lot of dojos in one city! So I had several to choose from had the one I chose initially not turned out to be the right one for me.

I hope it was not the instructors who showed lack of respect. It is their responsibility to make sure new students feel they are being looked after and taught well. Speak to the head instructor if there is a problem (sometimes class instructors are just senior students who are not black belts and they may not have been taught how to teach properly).

I'll be waiting to hear from you to find out how you are getting on! Keep in touch!

Actually the instructor was the worst of the lot.

I am going to observe at one local dojo next week (they meet on Mondays and Wednesdays, but on Wednesdays I have another commitment). I know one of the ex-instructors from there, so maybe it will be a good place.
I will let you know how it goes!

Cheers
 

jackmcmanus21

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i couldnt agree more TDWoj....I've been to some really good dojos and some really bad ones....an instructor can make all the difference
 

tigerfeet

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Well, I went and checked out this other dojo and liked what I saw, so I went to the class on Monday.
It was great! Obviously I am very "out of touch" (and out of shape:( ) and felt like a complete beginner at the start, but by the end of the class, I was starting to find my feet (or my centre I guess).
I will go back again next week!
 

TDWoj

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tigerfeet;186415 said:
Well, I went and checked out this other dojo and liked what I saw, so I went to the class on Monday.
It was great! Obviously I am very "out of touch" (and out of shape:( ) and felt like a complete beginner at the start, but by the end of the class, I was starting to find my feet (or my centre I guess).
I will go back again next week!

That's great! It'll be hard at first, if you can go only once a week (can you rearrange your Wednesday schedule at all?), but there are a lot of things you can practice on your own, like footwork and balance. For my 3rd kyu test, for example, I only practiced the techniques with a partner maybe 3 times, tops; the rest of the time, I just "shadow" practiced, concentrating on getting the footwork right, and lo! the comments I got afterward about my footwork were tremendous.

Keep practicing, and let me know how you are getting on!
 

TDWoj

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ORANGATUANG;186453 said:
Are my eyes seeing things? TD good to see you girl ..hope all is well..

Yes, I pop in from time to time, although I hope to be coming back a little more. I've been busy with work and practice and now there's something gone amiss with my health so I have to have that seen to, but I'm still here, still tickin', still kickin'!

In other news, I've decided that I will, after all, take my 2nd kyu test. I'm aiming for the December test date and am practicing as hard as my poor old broken down body will allow me to.

The hard part is going to be the weapons. My memory is going to hell in a handbasket and the san ju ichi kata (the 31 kata) is going to be tough to learn.

I get to weasel out of the ukemi requirements again. I don't think I'll ever conquer the forward roll.

With my back problems, I have to learn koshinage without the intermediate stage of "loading" - it's move and throw all in one go. For that I need a very, VERY good uke!

Anyway, wish me luck, everyone! This is going to be the toughest challenge for me yet.
 

Sue

c/o naughty corner
Good luck with the December test! I hope you get through it well.
I really respect you for working through your health problems to go for the 2nd kyu, I hope you do really well at it. :)
 

halkush

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Good Luck TD from me too.

Halkush

P.S.
I left things too long, recently started a Tai Chi class and fainted after 10 minutes.
 

TDWoj

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Thanks, everyone.

I'm training hard (well, as hard as I can). I've been taking advantage of the nice weather and taking my jo to the park to practice the san ju ichi kata. Didn't get as much practice as I would have liked as people kept stopping and asking me what I was doing... but I figure being an ambassador for aikido is also a good thing. Hopefully, people will be used to seeing me out there often so I'll just become part of the scenery.

What's vexing me at the moment is that I am also working very hard at getting my weight down as I need to be in better physical shape for this test. However, my body is absolutely not cooperating - balanced diet and extra exercise are not doing a thing, and my weight is actually going UP, not down - arrrggghhh! (And no, I am not building muscle, because if I were my clothes would be getting looser, not tighter. I am spitting nails about this!)

We tape our testing sessions so I am going to get the last few tests (I missed the last test in March as that is when I was in Nova Scotia to deal with my late father's affairs) and see what my sensei is likely to ask for during the 2nd kyu (besides the listed testing requirements for the level). Sometimes she likes to ask for techniques from earlier levels just to see if you know them thoroughly or if you were just practicing to the test.

Our dojo is also floating a pilot project regarding testing. In addition to the standard test of techniques, higher kyu level students will also be required to put in so many hours per month doing things for the dojo. We've developed three streams, and you can put in as many hours as you want in any or all of them as long as they add up to the required number of hours for the level.

They are: Instruction, Maintenance, and Administration.

Instruction involves first assisting at kids classes (ha! ulterior motive there as it is sometimes difficult to get teaching assistants at the kids classes); then teaching a kids class; then teaching a basics class.

Maintenance involves keeping up the dojo - cleaning, fixing, building, painting, that sort of thing.

Administration is participating on the Board of Directors, doing registration for seminars, hosting visiting instructors, website maintenance, newsletter, that kind of thing.

This is to develop a community spirit within the dojo. I think it's a nifty idea.

Unfortunately, it's not retroactive, so all the time I've put in the past 2 years on the Board of Directors and seminar registration and as teaching assistant in the kids class doesn't count - I have to start all over again! (Just when I wanted to take a break from it, too!)

Ah, well.

Oh, look - it's almost time for me to go to the park and scare the pigeons.

More soon!
 

TDWoj

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Another little update.

Aikido, I find, is more than just the physical activity. It's also about building character, and self-discovery.

Despite some of my setbacks and how angry and frustrated I got in the early days (less so, now, but it does come back from time to time), I stuck to it and worked through my issues. My lack of confidence, my frustrations over my physical problems (still can't do my kaiten from either kneeling or standing positions, although if I get low enough to the floor :lower than kneeling? yes!:, I can actually do a respectable forward roll, on one side, and the back rolls aren't too bad), all of those I managed to work through, learning to be patient with myself, struggling through the pain of a slipped disc and spinal stenosis and sciatica, taking things slowly until I got it right.

My four year anniversary is coming up in January, and despite some people thinking I wouldn't stick it out, I'm still practicing.

There are people who are amazed at my stubborn persistence. There are those who respect how hard I work at aikido.

And there are those who don't.

One practitioner has been, shall we say, less than enthusiastic about my presence. I'd practice with her from time to time, and she was constantly correcting me, constantly telling me I was attacking wrong, and always leaving me feeling frustrated from a negative vibe that I thought was coming from me. There were some days after a class where I practiced with her I just wanted to go home and never come back because I felt incredibly stupid about the most basic things (and it was very hard to get my confidence back after practicing with her).

I just didn't react well with her as a practice partner, and I felt that was an issue I needed to resolve, so I kept at it, kept an open mind when practicing with her, allowed her to instruct me (even though sometimes what she was instructing me in was not what the class teacher was teaching, and other times, what she was teaching me just felt wrong, at least, it was wrong for me).

She was my sem pai, of course, and I learned early about respecting sem pai.

I've been told that proper etiquette is that the junior person NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER says anything to a sem pai about their practice - even if they feel uncomfortable or unsafe while practicing with that person.

However, among some of my classmates, I've earned enough respect from them that I've begun asking, very politely, if I might make an observation - and it's usually something to do with making sure I'm safe working with them, or asking what I have to do to modify my actions so that their response falls within my abilities to receive the technique.

This woman does not respect my different abilities. She uses physical strength to drive me into the mat, because when she is unable to unbalance me using aikido, she gets pissed, and says it's because my attack is wrong (she's been telling me my attack is wrong from day one), and I shouldn't do what I'm doing because then her response is to drive me into the mat.

(Just as an aside, here: I have very strong ki, and unbalancing me isn't easy.)

I was practicing with this woman today, and I wasn't as frustrated as I usually was, but I was getting tired of being yanked around (she was doing a lot of pulling and at one point I realised I was in serious trouble if I didn't go along with her).

So, I very politely said, "May I make an observation."

She said, "No!" and followed that up with "Don't teach!"

I bit back what I wanted to say, which was "same to you, honey", and instead said, "All I wanted to tell you was what was happening to me during this practice."

At this point, another student - actually, a 3rd dan who was visiting from another dojo who comes out to Sunday advanced classes - popped up and said he wanted to practice with me.

He started with my attack, how to do it within my ukemi capabilities, how to move my body as nage uses my energy, and how to do a very nice fall. Then when it was my turn to be nage, he took me through my body position, when to move, how to move, and the principles behind the movement. He understood what I needed to learn and the best way for me to learn it. At one point, the class instructor was watching me do the technique, and he wandered away without saying anything because I was doing it correctly.

I learned more in that five minutes with the 3rd dan then I did for the previous fifteen minutes with the woman.

This same woman, by the way, is also the one that blocked me when I volunteered to teach a kids' class when the regular instructor was looking for someone to take the class. Since I've been an assistant in the kids' class for over two years, I felt the time was right to take the risk.

So, now comes the test of character. Do I continue to practice with this woman? I observed that while I got annoyed by her behaviour, I didn't knock myself down as being stupid, incompetent, why am I here, etc. I have confidence in my understanding of aikido, but I still get testy when someone tries to use their superior physical strength to 'correct' me.

She doesn't respect me, and there is nothing I can do to earn her respect.

It is also interesting to note that when I started, this woman was 3rd kyu; but now, the gap has closed between us, and she is at first kyu, while I'm coming up to second.

I've been told (by sticklers on etiquette, not all associated with our dojo, either) that I mustn't ever ask my practice partner, senior or otherwise, to respect my physical issues (I'll sometimes ask just to be stretched, like in irimi or kokyo ho - I can gauge how safe I'll be with a practice partner by how they stretch me). But the san dan I was practicing with today told me that I can request to practice with a different partner if I feel I'm not getting anything out of the practice, regardless of their seniority.

So, what do I do?

I want to continue with my aikido journey, but I'm finding the road a little rocky right now. It's possible that my growing confidence and increased understanding of aikido and how it works is making me a bit uppity, and I'm putting myself in the position of being squashed like a bug by a senior student, and deservedly so, so it would seem. I want to go into the teaching stream when the new testing requirements get adopted, but it will be impossible to teach a class with this person in it, not to mention she's already blocked me from teaching the kids' class.

Any advice on how best to handle this situation within the etiquette of aikido would be helpful.
 

tigerfeet

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Hi TD
First of all, I would like to mention once more that YOU have been an inspiration to me to get back into the dojo!
This woman sounds like a real b@#*h. You don't need the respect of the likes of her to validate yourself.
Interestingly, there is a similar woman at the dojo where I have started. Her first words to me when I partnered her were, "Don't try, you won't be able to do it." That's fine by me: I love a challenge!
She also refuses to respect my physical limitations, but I had to say something last week because she was hurting me, and I really didn't feel like spending the next week or so in bed because she wanted to force me to do something that I knew would put out my back. So, I told her. She didn't like it much, but too bad for her, even if she is senior to me.
In fact, as your senior, this woman has a responsibility to respect and work within your limitations. With greater authority comes greater responsibility.
Ultimately, TD, your own safety and well-being is what you need to watch out for. Obviously you and this other woman will never see eye to eye. All I can suggest is that you be polite but frosty with her, and avoid partnering her when at all possible. If she wants to know why, tell her you don't feel safe with her. And don't worry about hurting her feelings or offending her - your safety is paramount.
Some people are just not worth the trouble. They have already decided that they don't like you, and although it is in our nature as women to try to smooth things over, I would just give her up as a lost cause. Her own negative energy will sink her in the end anyway.
After all, aikido is all about the path of least resistance.
Hope this helps at least a little.
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
TD I want to commend you for sticking with it!!!!! I think that through the years, and as frustrated as you were in the beginning you seem to be shining more than ever. I would have to agree with what the visiting SanDan stated. I would suggest you request another partner. One thing I have taught and has been taught to me is that in the dojo, though we are training for an unfortunate situation (self defense) it is also the place we go to train in an environment of safety. Apparently that is something that your sempai does not grasp.

It appears to boil down that she is in her own way a bully. I would love to come to your school and train/teach. One thing I find is that when those "sempai" are placed into a similar situation and treated the same way by a higher ranking person, sometimes, but not all, they tend to not push the boundaries as much once they are "shown" what it is like. This may not be the case with the woman you described, but sometimes it works.

Have you talked to your sensei about this? One thing that bothered me about your post is that those whom you spoke to about proper etiquette and not having a partner respect your physical abilities. Every partner should respect the physical abilities or non abilities of those that they practice with. I think you will enjoy many more years of training. You’re still beginning and there is so much more to learn, I learn more daily.

If you should ever want to talk please PM me and I will be more than happy to discuss this or any other situation with you. Like others have stated I think you are doing and have done the right thing!!!!!!
 

TDWoj

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Just a little update.

I have put up my name to take my 2nd kyu test in December.

Yikes!

I have to laugh, though - right around the time I took my fifth kyu test I had a dream that I took my 2nd kyu test and, while I did all the techniques correctly, I failed because the judge said I didn't look 'cool' while doing it, and me doing aikido at all made it look bad for the discipline.

The judge, in my dream, was a former student of Steven's, but darned if I could remember now which one it was. I just remember in my dream, the guy hated me from the minute I walked into his dojo and kept trying to get me to leave.

I went to a seminar a couple of weeks ago. I was, sorry to say, underwhelmed by the experience. We hardly got to practice at all; the visiting instructor spent a lot of time talking (through an interpreter - and he's been living in Canada for a good many years) and practice was limited to only two or three repetitions. The afternoon was spent on weapons, which I can only do for so long before I have to stop (my back starts hurting, I stop, though I usually push a little past the 'red zone' just to work on improving my endurance).

Also, I have to confess - I hate weapons.

No, I tell a lie - I LOATHE weapons. I suppose if I spent as much time practicing weapons as I did practicing open hand techniques, perhaps I wouldn't feel so awkward and stupid. As it is, I definitely lack the 'cool' factor when waving jo and bokken around. I can't seem to learn the movements, I don't have a body that will cooperate (my wrists are particularly inflexible so trying to curve the wrist around the jo, for example, is nearly impossible). The instructor tries to correct my shomen strike when I'm practicing with the bokken, but I just can't do it - I can't drop the bokken straight down behind me before striking because my shoulders don't flex that far.

Weapons are part of our requirements for testing and at present I'm struggling through the san-ju-ichi kata. I know all the moves, it's going down on one knee and getting back up again that is really hard for me.

I've got about two months of practice, but only 6 or 7 free practice days, so I am going to have to knuckle down and get with the program, or I WILL fail the test, looking uncool or not.
 

Sue

c/o naughty corner
Good luck with the test!

It makes me laugh to think of you being passed or failed on looking cool. Enjoy the training and experience whatever the outcome.

:)
 

TDWoj

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Sue;192498 said:
Good luck with the test!

It makes me laugh to think of you being passed or failed on looking cool. Enjoy the training and experience whatever the outcome.

:)

Thanks, Sue!

Yes, it is funny. Mind you, I look like a marshmallow on a stick when I'm waving the jo around, so while I THINK I'm a warrior princess, I LOOK about the farthest thing from it.
 

tigerfeet

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TDWoj;192520 said:
Thanks, tigerfeet! How is your journey coming along?

Umm... kind of ground to a halt right now. I had a minor op on my shoulder awhile back and it's taking its sweet time to heal, so I'm off the mats for now.
I keep saying "next week", but I guess I'll just have to be patient and let my shoulder heal up first.
 

TDWoj

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One more week!

One week from today, on December 1st (a week before my 51st birthday! Yikes!), I take my second kyu test.

I've been training hard, as the aches and pains on my lumpen old body attest. My physical problems at the moment are really bad tendonitis in my ankles, stiff toe joints, and stiff hips.

I think this week I will take just a few classes (i.e., go every other day instead of two days in a row, one off, two days in a row, like I usually do), so that I can rest a little while still practicing.

The hardest technique for me is the ushiro kubishime kochinage; with my back problems and bad ankles, it's hard for me to get my body into the right shape, so I've developed my own practice for it, in that I do NOT practice by loading uke first and then throwing - I keep uke moving and on over (good practice for them doing an elongated forward roll!). It's still murder on my back, but the pain only lasts a day this way, not a whole week, and I can still practice.

I'm also going to wrap my toes in wool socks while I'm waiting for my turn to test to keep them warm, and hopefully that will loosen them up a little (hanmi han dachi usually comes first in the test). Fortunately, there are only two other testing ahead of me, so I don't have to sit for long (sitting too long stiffens my hips even more).

Weapons are good. I have the san ju ichi kata learned well enough I don't have to count out the numbers any more. The migi no awase and hidari no awase techniques for the bokken are simple, but I wouldn't mind a little more practice just to be sure my posture and timing are correct.

I hope I made the right decision to test at this level. I'm getting queasy just thinking about it!
 

ORANGATUANG

Wildfire
Stick with it girl!!! soon we will see you on the big screen kicking some serious back side here in adelaide an lady aged 78 is going for her 4th dan black belt ..tell you she gave this reporter guy an what for?..good luck girl..
 
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