I have a question....how many of you are acutally martial artist and not some segal-wannabes who have watched a bad hollywood martial arts movie one-too-many times? I've read some of the threads on this site, and frankly, i think they're complete crap! Like the one written by britneyspearsman...about how you'll get a black belt in 200 days? WTF?! what kind of dojo is that? If you actually earn a blackbelt (earn as in you deserve it) it takes YEARS to do, 200 days my ass!!! If your actually going to LEARN (not do bad imitations of) akido, then why the hell are you looking around online? GO TO A DOJO!!!! Another question, HOW MANY OF YOU SOLEY BASE YOUR "AKIDO" KNOWLEDGE ON SEGAL MOVIES??!!!!
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tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
Well, speaking only for myself, I have been doing martial arts since I was 10 (I am now 32), and particularly I have been doing Aikido since 1989. Recently started doing Aikijujitsu, and I ahve extensive knowledge in Seagals Style of Aikido, I was under his Federation for a few years. As far as a blackbelt in 200 days......not sure where that is at, but doesn't sound legit to me. Anyway, lots of us have different backgrounds in the arts, not soley Aikido or the Aiki arts. I personally have studied Judo, BJJ, Jeet Kune Do, Tae Kwon Do, Karate and Jujitsu. I hold a black belt in Jujitsu, Karate and TaeKwon do on top of my Aiki arts. And I would hope that no one would base thier Aikido based on Movies, but, if you look at techniques, Seagal is doing Aikido in his movies.
tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
LOL Suzi, I wasn't gonna even go there about the name spelling, but since you did...LOL
Maybe rhetoricQ is just a confused soul on the information superhighway!!!!!!
Maybe rhetoricQ is just a confused soul on the information superhighway!!!!!!
tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
Just a little , not sure why either!!!! Oh well, to each his/her own!!!!
rhetoricQ said:
I know the post you are talking about and I believe you've misread or misunderstood what the 200 days actually means. Please re-read my posts on the topic in the same thread where I explain how many practice days are required BETWEEN each test and you will understand the progression from beginner to black belt and how long it is likely to take.
I base my aikido knowledge on research, study and practice in class. Granted, I am still very much a beginner with a lot to learn, but I go to a real dojo, with real instructors, which runs under the auspices of the Canadian Aikido Federation, and it is from their website that I drew the requirements for each level.
If you wish to discuss aikido, there are many of us here who take aikido and will be happy to discuss aikido with you. If all you want to do is misread or misunderstand posts just to cause trouble, I can assure you, that will not be tolerated.
We are, so far, giving you the benefit of the doubt about your intentions. However, another such post as your first one above will result in sanctions.
BTW, welcome to the board.
GlimmerMan
Huge Member
rhetoricQ said:
Hahaha... Nice, pleasant first post there, man. I found it greatly amusing, not least because of it's incorrect spelling of Aikido. Are you a 'martial artist'? I have studied martial arts on and off since my university days, but I don't claim to be a martial artist. Nobody on here is stupid enough to watch a Seagal movie and then claim to be a martial artist because they practise a couple of moves they see in it. However, many people on here have years and years of training in various martial arts. I think you need to watch your mouth. TD will certainly 'sanction' you if you continue your foul tirades - it's one of her favourite pastimes!
GlimmerMan
Huge Member
Hahaha...
ad_adrian said:
LOL!
Okay, guys; enough about this. Back on topic: Out of those responding to rhetoricQ's question, there are at least three who are taking or have taken aikido and one other who has taken another martial art. That's more than 50% of those who responded to the question (me being analytical again! sorry!), so I'd hazard a guess and say that rhetoricQ's assertion that we base our martial arts knowledge solely on the movies has been soundly refuted.
Unless rhetoricQ returns to debate this point - politely, of course -, having proved the point that we DO know something about martial arts in real experience, I'd say this discussion has pretty much run its course.
GlimmerMan
Huge Member
Go on TD! Close the thread! You know you want to! Hahahahahahaha!
I have actually taken one aikido lesson in my life, but it just wasn't violent enough for me!
Take care y'all.
"I want a backstage pass
Drink Bon Jovi's booze for free!"
GMan
I have actually taken one aikido lesson in my life, but it just wasn't violent enough for me!
Take care y'all.
"I want a backstage pass
Drink Bon Jovi's booze for free!"
GMan
maurizio
Member
hi
i'm maurizio from italy and i'm a martial artist since 9 years. franklly i believe it's really hard to get a black belt in 200 days. but there are lots of ppl who want this degree but don't have patience to learn with onesty and sacrifice the arts of budo. in my opinion.
maurizio
i'm maurizio from italy and i'm a martial artist since 9 years. franklly i believe it's really hard to get a black belt in 200 days. but there are lots of ppl who want this degree but don't have patience to learn with onesty and sacrifice the arts of budo. in my opinion.
maurizio
Hi, maurizio.
The question was asked out of context. The thread where the first poster in this thread took a question that was asked and reinterpreted it just to start an argument was this one:
http://www.steven-seagal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6571
Aikido rankings are based on tests that take place after a certain number of practice days. If you read the above thread, you will see where I posted the number of days required BETWEEN EACH TEST before one is considered for testing in the next rank. These are the Canadian Aikido Federation testing requirements, which are more or less in line with the North American Aikido testing requirements.
An interesting note is that a black belt from a North American or European federation generally has more experience than a black belt from Japan. One gets a black belt very quickly in Japan, about a year; basic requirements to achieve a black belt match roughly the 5th kyu testing requirements here in Canada, for example. Then one (in Japan) spends the next ten years learning all the techniques before going on to the next level of black belt. North American/European federations do things differently; see my list in the above thread of how long it takes to get a black belt.
And before I get screamed at by those who insist I'm wrong about everything, I am quoting one of my instructors, a black belt (North American requirements) who studied in Japan with some female instructor for about a year. Now, what was her name? - oh, yeah - Miyako Fujitani.
The question was asked out of context. The thread where the first poster in this thread took a question that was asked and reinterpreted it just to start an argument was this one:
http://www.steven-seagal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6571
Aikido rankings are based on tests that take place after a certain number of practice days. If you read the above thread, you will see where I posted the number of days required BETWEEN EACH TEST before one is considered for testing in the next rank. These are the Canadian Aikido Federation testing requirements, which are more or less in line with the North American Aikido testing requirements.
An interesting note is that a black belt from a North American or European federation generally has more experience than a black belt from Japan. One gets a black belt very quickly in Japan, about a year; basic requirements to achieve a black belt match roughly the 5th kyu testing requirements here in Canada, for example. Then one (in Japan) spends the next ten years learning all the techniques before going on to the next level of black belt. North American/European federations do things differently; see my list in the above thread of how long it takes to get a black belt.
And before I get screamed at by those who insist I'm wrong about everything, I am quoting one of my instructors, a black belt (North American requirements) who studied in Japan with some female instructor for about a year. Now, what was her name? - oh, yeah - Miyako Fujitani.
tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
Well, I for one TD do not insist your wrong, on the contrary, I think you are right! I have seen, and this is just my observations, some black belts from Japan who would get wiped on the floor by lower colored belts/kyu's here in North America. Not that ALL black belts are this way, but there are those that are.
There are minimum time in rank requirements and that is to ensure that the new techniques or variations of techniques, required for the next advancement are proficient. I hope that those who seek a blackbelt realize however, that at shodan and above, you are not a master, but someone who has got the basics down, and now you can evolve and begin to grasp the more advanced techniques. Shodan is really a begginer, kyu level is those who have yet to begin!!!!! My interpretation only!!! not a right or wrong definition!!!!
There are minimum time in rank requirements and that is to ensure that the new techniques or variations of techniques, required for the next advancement are proficient. I hope that those who seek a blackbelt realize however, that at shodan and above, you are not a master, but someone who has got the basics down, and now you can evolve and begin to grasp the more advanced techniques. Shodan is really a begginer, kyu level is those who have yet to begin!!!!! My interpretation only!!! not a right or wrong definition!!!!
Well, that was how it was explained to me, as "shodan" really means "beginner", and according to O Sensei's teachings, it takes ten years of study before you can become a "beginner" - (if I haven't completely garbled the quote I read a while back).
-TD, brain scrambled, her first test is on Monday, and she's just this minute completely forgotten what "ai-ki-do" means....
(if I haven't completely garbled the quote I read a while back).-TD, brain scrambled, her first test is on Monday, and she's just this minute completely forgotten what "ai-ki-do" means....
rhetoricQ said:
I've practiced several martial arts for years
. The arts were Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Kyokishin Karate (full contact) and 
aikido:yin:. I think I can say I base my knowledge of the arts on experience and not on movies.By the way, a black belt in 200 days might be possible for some "money" dojo's. But to become a true black belt you will have to train years and years. Anyone who becomes a black belt in 200 days and afterwards goes to a respectable dojo will find out the hard way that his or hers black belt is a joke.
Peace :apeace:
tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
Maurizio,
I have been training since 1989, and in martial arts since I was 10 (too long ago...my goodness how time flies)!!!!!!
I have been training since 1989, and in martial arts since I was 10 (too long ago...my goodness how time flies)!!!!!!
maurizio
Member
wow tenshin that's great. did u do only aikido or even something else? if yes which martial art did you like?
I started yoseikan budo in 1986 but did only 2 years because i didn't go well in school and my parents weren't happy so I stopped. then in '97 restarted again and I'm happy to do martial arts instead of other sports.
I started yoseikan budo in 1986 but did only 2 years because i didn't go well in school and my parents weren't happy so I stopped. then in '97 restarted again and I'm happy to do martial arts instead of other sports.
tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
Well, other than Aikido, I have studied and have dan ranking in Jujitsu, Tae Kwon Do and Karate. I have studied Judo, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Jeet Kune Do Condepts and currently studying as a stand alone deshin in Aikijujitsu.
tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
I would have to say Jeet Kune Do, because it is basically no style, you use what works and discard the rest. A good philosophy to have in many regards!!!
Kido Ryu
Reverand Member
Hello everyone 
I hope all are well.
I'm somewhat surprised this thread is still going given the tone of the question and the fact that the original poster has yet to reply to any answers to his question.
I see that it has given some a chance to reflect on their own martial arts journey and share that experience with others. Which is always nice.
As for my self, much like tenshinaikidoka, I started studying the arts at the age of 13. (1976) I obtained belt rank in many disciplines and teach a concept of spontaneous reaction. I have disregarded a lot of technique I have learned (mostly the flashy Hollywood stuff) and simplified the curriculum to easy to learn technique that has a better chance of being effective in a real life conflict. I teach in a repetitive manner that creates muscle memory and then I build onto each technique as the student becomes proficient. Producing a student that can react in the heat of the moment without thought.
Mostly I teach in a private instruction setting in which I do not award rank to my students. I feel rank does not mean as much as what one knows, how one performs, how one acts in their day to day journey of life and their treatment of others.
Take care all.
Respectfully,
Rev.Dean
I hope all are well.
I'm somewhat surprised this thread is still going given the tone of the question and the fact that the original poster has yet to reply to any answers to his question.
I see that it has given some a chance to reflect on their own martial arts journey and share that experience with others. Which is always nice.
As for my self, much like tenshinaikidoka, I started studying the arts at the age of 13. (1976) I obtained belt rank in many disciplines and teach a concept of spontaneous reaction. I have disregarded a lot of technique I have learned (mostly the flashy Hollywood stuff) and simplified the curriculum to easy to learn technique that has a better chance of being effective in a real life conflict. I teach in a repetitive manner that creates muscle memory and then I build onto each technique as the student becomes proficient. Producing a student that can react in the heat of the moment without thought.
Mostly I teach in a private instruction setting in which I do not award rank to my students. I feel rank does not mean as much as what one knows, how one performs, how one acts in their day to day journey of life and their treatment of others.
Take care all.
Respectfully,
Rev.Dean