Last Seagal movie you watched?

[derekwyo]

Today I rewatched Kill Switch from 2008. I always liked this film and I'd love to see the original cut before Avi Lerner got ahold of it. I really don't like the editing on this one, and the similar to Black Dawn, the fight scenes with his double take me out of the film for a moment. But when Seagal is fighting, in particular, I do like how rough Seagal is with Mark Collie. He is brutal in both fights, lots of slamming and throwing, a wrecking ball style. But the story is solid, the production values are good, Seagal is invested in this one, and it's a shame it was kinda...dumbed down in editing. But, regardless, I dig this one.

 

[latinojazz]

It's crazy seeing young Chloë Grace Moretz in the movie! But yeah, I didn't like how part of the "Seagal" heist opening was lifted from The Order and the Las Vegas Chase from another film. It has good moments and I can still watch it but those bits nag me.

The real issue in Today You Die are the fights filmed by Seagal's body double...there are two fight scenes that are entirely fake, all done by his double/s, that's unacceptable. It's a gift for Seagal detractors, and a shame for his legacy as a Martial Arts Legend.

 

[latinojazz]

Today I rewatched Kill Switch from 2008. I always liked this film and I'd love to see the original cut before Avi Lerner got ahold of it. I really don't like the editing on this one, and the similar to Black Dawn, the fight scenes with his double take me out of the film for a moment. But when Seagal is fighting, in particular, I do like how rough Seagal is with Mark Collie. He is brutal in both fights, lots of slamming and throwing, a wrecking ball style. But the story is solid, the production values are good, Seagal is invested in this one, and it's a shame it was kinda...dumbed down in editing. But, regardless, I dig this one.

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We already talked about this one, we can say it's enjoyable enough, a bit in line with the buddy-cop vibe of The Glimmer Man. Written by Seagal himself, the cast is very good, the uncensored brutal fights are great, the body double fight scenes aren't, the way he treats his girlfriend Celine (Karyn Michelle Baltzer) is awful, and the ending scene with the (other girlfriend) young russian woman seems like a ridiculous male fantasy (kinda funny in not a good way, very Seagalish btw), but being serious, absolutely unnecessary, and a bad/embarrasing ending for what could have been a pretty decent Action DTV.

 

[derekwyo]

The real issue in Today You Die are the fights filmed by Seagal's body double...there are two fight scenes that are entirely fake, all done by his double/s, that's unacceptable. It's a gift for Seagal detractors, and a shame for his legacy as a Martial Arts Legend.

And that's always disappointing, but as I rewatch many of these films, I often feel the "fight" with the double was added in after the fact or aside Seagal's knowledge. Because if you watch the scenes, it's as though something goes on, then a fight is inserted with a double that seems slightly out of place, then return to Seagal doing something. So, if you remove the fight, the film plays like it wasn't originally intended to be a part of the scene. I'd prefer they just let them play as is without fights and heavy use of doubles, like in Today You Die and Kill Switch and Black Dawn.

 

[latinojazz]

And that's always disappointing, but as I rewatch many of these films, I often feel the "fight" with the double was added in after the fact or aside Seagal's knowledge. Because if you watch the scenes, it's as though something goes on, then a fight is inserted with a double that seems slightly out of place, then return to Seagal doing something. So, if you remove the fight, the film plays like it wasn't originally intended to be a part of the scene. I'd prefer they just let them play as is without fights and heavy use of doubles, like in Today You Die and Kill Switch and Black Dawn.

I agree, Steven Seagal needs to have full control over the final product, to never allow this mistakes happen again!!

 

[JohnAlexander]

Gonna rewatch, "A Good Man" today. Definitely one of my all time favorites, in case you guys couldn't tell by my avatar, signature, and profile name. It is also, in my opinion, one of his last good movies before he just started making glorified cameos like he did with General Commander or the China Salesman.

 

[latinojazz]

Gonna rewatch, "A Good Man" today. Definitely one of my all time favorites, in case you guys couldn't tell by my avatar, signature, and profile name. It is also, in my opinion, one of his last good movies before he just started making glorified cameos like he did with General Commander or the China Salesman.

haha I didn't notice at all!!!

 

[latinojazz]

Gonna rewatch, "A Good Man" today. Definitely one of my all time favorites, in case you guys couldn't tell by my avatar, signature, and profile name. It is also, in my opinion, one of his last good movies before he just started making glorified cameos like he did with General Commander or the China Salesman.

Too much screen time for Victor Webster, In my opinion...

 

[JohnAlexander]

Too much screen time for Victor Webster, In my opinion...

I liked his character. I thought he added depth to the movie, and was a cool sidekick sort of type. I also feel that he did all that without reducing my enjoyment of Seagal's time on screen.

 

[latinojazz]

I liked his character. I thought he added depth to the movie, and was a cool sidekick sort of type. I also feel that he did all that without reducing my enjoyment of Seagal's time on screen.

He did reduced my enjoyment of Seagal's time on screen by 99%. Other than that I think he was fantastic!!!

 

[JohnAlexander]

Watched it last night, and was not disappointed. In my opinion, it was one of Seagal's last good films. The fight scenes were pretty brutal, especially with Seagal cutting dudes down with his sword, and the shootouts were cool too. The movie had plenty of Seagalism in it. From the checkered past, to the oriental themes. I enjoyed it, as usual.

 

[latinojazz]

Watched it last night, and was not disappointed. In my opinion, it was one of Seagal's last good films. The fight scenes were pretty brutal, especially with Seagal cutting dudes down with his sword, and the shootouts were cool too. The movie had plenty of Seagalism in it. From the checkered past, to the oriental themes. I enjoyed it, as usual.

I always love watching Seagal cutting dudes with his katana. Into The Sun is another good example of that.
Nice review, JA, thanks!!

 

[JohnAlexander]

Today I sat down and watched Absolution, which, if I recall correctly was a sequel to A Good Man. Like a good man, it's heavy on action, and there's a lot of really brutal kills. People getting throats cut, impaled, shot, all good stuff. Byron Mann, who was Steven's sidekick in Belly of the Beast makes an appearance in this movie, and the charisma and synergy is still there. I also liked that the plot in this movie was kept fairly simple. Seagal takes on a job, completes the job, happens to run into someone who needs help, and then helps them. Of course there's some tie in involving the nefarious characters at the State Dept./CIA, but...that's the gist of the plot. He helps a person in need. I think...if it was supposed to be a sequel to A Good Man, then there may be some continuity errors, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[latinojazz]

Today I sat down and watched Absolution, which, if I recall correctly was a sequel to A Good Man. Like a good man, it's heavy on action, and there's a lot of really brutal kills. People getting throats cut, impaled, shot, all good stuff. Byron Mann, who was Steven's sidekick in Belly of the Beast makes an appearance in this movie, and the charisma and synergy is still there. I also liked that the plot in this movie was kept fairly simple. Seagal takes on a job, completes the job, happens to run into someone who needs help, and then helps them. Of course there's some tie in involving the nefarious characters at the State Dept./CIA, but...that's the gist of the plot. He helps a person in need. I think...if it was supposed to be a sequel to A Good Man, then there may be some continuity errors, but I'm not 100% sure.

Byron Mann has worked with Seagal in 'Belly of The Beast', 'A Dangerous Man' and 'Absolution' so far.

Seagal's character in 'Absolution' is called John Alexander as well, and yes, is a sequel to 'A Good Man'. It would be nice to see him completing a trilogy after he finishes 'Order of the Dragon'!!

 

[7-Ball]

Byron Mann has worked with Seagal in 'Belly of The Beast', 'A Dangerous Man' and 'Absolution' so far.

Seagal's character in 'Absolution' is called John Alexander as well, and yes, is a sequel to 'A Good Man'. It would be nice to see him completing a trilogy after he finishes 'Order of the Dragon'!!

It is a trilogy, actually, although the ties are a bit muddied like with Foreigner/Black Dawn. Force of Execution is the first movie, then A Good Man, and Absolution. I think A Good Man is actually suppose to be a prequel to Force of Execution.

 

[latinojazz]

It is a trilogy, actually, although the ties are a bit muddied like with Foreigner/Black Dawn. Force of Execution is the first movie, then A Good Man, and Absolution. I think A Good Man is actually suppose to be a prequel to Force of Execution.

Wow the ties are muddled indeed...in 'Force of Execution' Seagal plays a drug lord (btw I think it's awesome that Seagal plays bad guys) then in 'A Good Man' he plays a cop with a very long career (????) and in 'Absolution' is a hired expert to kill some guy...

haha weirdest trilogy ever...bah whatever I don't care as long he's a bad-ass!!!

 

[7-Ball]

Wow the ties are muddled indeed...in 'Force of Execution' Seagal plays a drug lord (btw I think it's awesome that Seagal plays bad guys) then in 'A Good Man' he plays a cop with a very long career (????) and in 'Absolution' is a hired expert to kill some guy...

haha weirdest trilogy ever...bah whatever I don't care as long he's a bad-ass!!!

The only reason I say this is because his name is Alexander in Force of Execution and IMDb lists A Good Man as following Force of Execution like it is a sequel (It does not list Absolution though which is clearly linked). It does make some sense though because even though he's a drug lord in Force of Execution, he still has strong military ties in that movie and it's not unreasonable to think that it's the same character. He's still a good guy that does bad things. And in Absolution he is haunted by the bad he has done in his life and A Good Man doesn't really fit with that at all considering that he did save the woman and her child, so I think it is logical he could be troubled by his life as the drug lord after A Good Man which leads to Absolution. Just a hypothesis though.

 

[JohnAlexander]

Well, with A Good Man and Absolution, the whole continuity gets worse the more you think about it. Not that I care. But, for instance, bad guy club owner from A Good Man appears in Absolution as just some random clubgoer. A nobody. Logically, it has to come before A Good Man because he dies in A Good Man. Furthermore, in A Good Man, the henchman with the scarred face, the one at the end, he also appears in Absolution...without the scars.

 

[latinojazz]

Well, with A Good Man and Absolution, the whole continuity gets worse the more you think about it. Not that I care. But, for instance, bad guy club owner from A Good Man appears in Absolution as just some random clubgoer. A nobody. Logically, it has to come before A Good Man because he dies in A Good Man. Furthermore, in A Good Man, the henchman with the scarred face, the one at the end, he also appears in Absolution...without the scars.

Amazing, what a funny mess. It could only happen in the Seagal Multiverse!

 

[derekwyo]

All this John Alexander talk and y'all made me go out and buy a new Blu-ray of Force of Execution.
Just watched this one today and I like this one. Though Seagal wasn't in The Expendables 1 or 2, all the Action stars of the 80s/90s glory days got a revival; there was a pre-Expendables and post-Expendables era of Action films that resulted in marked improvements in quality of film as well as a generally better supporting casts to bolster the marquee value. Force of Execution and Maximum Conviction were two of Seagal's solid efforts of that post-Expendables Action revival.
I love that Ving Rhames plays a nasty, vulgar, wholly irredeemable villain.
As for Seagal, I think he does well playing a "grey" character, maybe an anti-hero if you will. He's charismatic when needed, he feels natural. As stated, he liked the role enough to return to the character in two more films. I was glad to see him doing his own fights and aside a couple shots, I didn't see hardly any use of doubles. Kudos to that.
And I feel this film set the tone for the type of the characters he'd tend to play for the rest of the decade. Troubled, reflective, a tad less righteous characters than normal.