Thanks Serena, Down loaded the flash player and, yippee! got in - but was it worth it? Went to the message board and left a message, but wonder where it went and what happened to it. There doesn't seem to be a way of reading the messages or to communicate with anyone. As I have said here before, Stevens problems are largely due to his staff and hangers on - none of whom are very bright (not including his agent in this statement) and if he runs true to form, it will be this calibre of people running the site. Official web sites often pump the information they want known, and smoke screen the rest, they are not always the best place to get the truth or the most up to date facts. The new site will have to go some to beat this site, which is far superior to many official web sites of very big stars. The smart thing would have been to ask Craig to run the site for them, and to have maintained his high standard. Many sites have high membership, but just a few who actually contribute. A great many members are just happy to read, get information and enjoy looking, it's no reflection on this site that not everyone contributes. Final word to Leon, the new site will probably be a flash in the pan, and go the way of the first Official site - it's the story of the Hare and the Tortoise and I suspect Leon is counting on the wrong one.