OUT OF REACH review!(Contain Spoilers)

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Reservoir Dog said:
When was OOR filmed? Anyway, the weight gain was progressive, he didnt gain it ALL back after OOR. That would be impossible.

Very, very, very, impossible....
 

rgray_aikido

New Member
People seem to think that if Seagal would lose weight he would start doing his own fight sequences but he was thinner in exit wounds and still used the double, he was thinner in Out of Reach and still used the double and i'm sure he will be thinner in Into The Sun and still use doubles. It doesn't matter whether he's thin or not the doubles are here to stay and we are going to have to accept it. Seagal is 50 years old, these movies are low budget, and with the cost of insurance the producers can't afford to have the movie shut down while the star recovers from injuries. Seagal hurt his knee doing a simple wire stunt in exit wounds and so i think he doesn't want to take anymore chances. If you watched Chuck Norris at the end of his career when he was making low budget movies and Walker Texas Ranger he had a double doing all his fighting also. But that doesn't excuse him from completing any post production work on his films. If they need him to redo his dialog then he should go to a studio and do it. It will only take a few hours, he can't be that busy. He needs to care about the final product instead of just taking the pay check and running.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Well, if they needed dubbers in the first place, then they needed them, I just don't really know why they needed them, though I have a few ideas...
I guess we never will really...My dad says it could be because the film is filmed in a foreign country and some polish or whatever language they are in the country of, will be inserted therein...The polish are likely NOT stuck on Steven's voice, and most of the average film watchers probably aren't either...Me, well, I have that voice in my head whispering sweet nothin's----:D But most people probably wouldn't even care or notice the dubs...I am thinking they wouldn't anyhow, maybe that's what Steven is thinking too...Yes, I would have preferred he do them over, but I am guessing that he is doing these films for a reason, so maybe there are factors involved in his schedule or his life we know nothing about, he's a very secretive man...Hey, never know, maybe he's got a top secret job moonlighting
and he really is way too busy to be going back into the studio, eh?
 

Reservoir Dog

MRKD4DTH
rgray_aikido said:
People seem to think that if Seagal would lose weight he would start doing his own fight sequences but he was thinner in exit wounds and still used the double, he was thinner in Out of Reach and still used the double and i'm sure he will be thinner in Into The Sun and still use doubles. It doesn't matter whether he's thin or not the doubles are here to stay and we are going to have to accept it. Seagal is 50 years old, these movies are low budget, and with the cost of insurance the producers can't afford to have the movie shut down while the star recovers from injuries. Seagal hurt his knee doing a simple wire stunt in exit wounds and so i think he doesn't want to take anymore chances. If you watched Chuck Norris at the end of his career when he was making low budget movies and Walker Texas Ranger he had a double doing all his fighting also. But that doesn't excuse him from completing any post production work on his films. If they need him to redo his dialog then he should go to a studio and do it. It will only take a few hours, he can't be that busy. He needs to care about the final product instead of just taking the pay check and running.




Seagal is a world class martial artist. He was one of the first mainstream martial artists trained in aikido. He was choreographer on "Above the Law" and the fight scenes did not require doubles. I think the choreographers on his newer films don't consider his style, and the fighting does not look as good. I am sure Seagal, if he was in his best possible shape, could still pull of martial arts. If not, this is very sad news, because I always thought Seagal was a legendary fighter.
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
My understanding of aikido is that age doesn't matter for this discipline. Therefore, Steven should still be able to do his own thing, regardless of age (or even of condition!).

I don't think in Steven's case it's his age, or his weight (he was enormous in Out for a Kill and there was very little stunt doubling in that film). I think it's sheer laziness, or simply boredom - "been there, done that, don't have to do it any more". I don't think he even trains any more. And if you spend all day on your butt doing nothing except talking on your cell phone, you can bet the weight is going to pile on pretty damned quick.

He achieved what he set out to do: he got into the movies, he used aikido to do it, he reached, if not the top, then pretty damned near it - what else was left for him to do? No place else for him to go except down - and down he's come, thunderously. Only, I don't think he realises that just yet. And that's a shame, because I think he's still got it - he's just not wanting to use it.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
He was not enormous from what I saw, and he did move very well in that film, ver, very, little doubling that I noticed....
 

Reservoir Dog

MRKD4DTH
Yet another IMDB Review (Positive!!!)

ryan larson
U.S.A

Date: 1 August 2004
Summary: Another step in the right direction...

"Out of Reach", like "Belly of the Beast", is a step in the right direction for Seagal, getting back towards that formula which made him such a success. Although the action is minimal, and yes, it is someone else's voice dubbed over Mr. Seagal's at certain points, this film gets him back to having some personality, and the story was decent.

I am not sure what is going on with "Into the Sun"-I hear limited theatrical release...yet I see "Submerged" (V) on schedule for release sometime thereafter....Even if Seagal's anticipated "Into the Sun" does well...it will be like releasing "Ticker" after Exit Wounds" all over again...as a big fan I don't understand the thinking behind this...
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Thanks, Res....He's got such a lot of personality IMO, I can't imagine encountering a more stimulating man than Steven in this whole wide world...He was as charming as ever in this film, a bit more gentleness about him, and always the strong protector, and the gentleman, and I really liked that....Hey girls, what did you think of the bullet surgery?
I was impressed, as ever...:)
 

Clement3000

aka The Phoenix
Thanks Reservoir Dog for another positive review, I enjoyed your review of OOR on IMDB the most, is it posted anywhere on this site????


Reservoir Dog said:
ryan larson
U.S.A

Date: 1 August 2004
Summary: Another step in the right direction...

"Out of Reach", like "Belly of the Beast", is a step in the right direction for Seagal, getting back towards that formula which made him such a success. Although the action is minimal, and yes, it is someone else's voice dubbed over Mr. Seagal's at certain points, this film gets him back to having some personality, and the story was decent.

I am not sure what is going on with "Into the Sun"-I hear limited theatrical release...yet I see "Submerged" (V) on schedule for release sometime thereafter....Even if Seagal's anticipated "Into the Sun" does well...it will be like releasing "Ticker" after Exit Wounds" all over again...as a big fan I don't understand the thinking behind this...
 

Reservoir Dog

MRKD4DTH
Thanks, Clement

Clement3000 said:
Thanks Reservoir Dog for another positive review, I enjoyed your review of OOR on IMDB the most, is it posted anywhere on this site????

It is posted on this site. As a matter of fact, I wrote it here, then copy and pasted it at IMDB.
 

Clement3000

aka The Phoenix
Oh cool, I was just wondering because I never caught it on this site, but noticied it a couple of days ago on IMDB.



Reservoir Dog said:
It is posted on this site. As a matter of fact, I wrote it here, then copy and pasted it at IMDB.
 

TOF1977

Steven Seagal Fan
Out of Reach

I just got done watching this movie and it was very intrestering to say the least. Actually it was a pretty good movie, a little shorter than most but good none the less.

Okay now about those stinking voice changes lol, okay for one if half of the movie was his own voice why didnt they just do that for the other half? lol I thought that part was really stupid lol, either do it for all the movie or not at all lol.

William Ray Lancing nn Billy Ray (AKA SS) was back to his old self again lol, I thought he did a good job.

I can't wait for Into the Sun.
 

TOF1977

Steven Seagal Fan
All I have to say is EITHER use another person voice through out the movie or DONT but dont use it half the time and the other half not, thats just silly lol. I liked it alot though.
 

TOF1977

Steven Seagal Fan
rastafari said:
into the sun will have no voice overs as warner brothers will make seagal stay after post production


Thats GREAT NEWS!!! the best news I have heard since OOR came out LOL.
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
Hi Connie,

According to Dutch Film Works (de uitgever in Nederland) Out Of Reach will be released for rental purposes in Octobre and will be available for sale from november.

Hope this helps.

Oh, but if you can't wait until octobre try surfing the net via E-mule. I am sure it's out there somewhere.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
I don't think anyone can force him to do anything,
or keep him from do anything if he wanted to do it...
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
rgray_aikido said:
People seem to think that if Seagal would lose weight he would start doing his own fight sequences but he was thinner in exit wounds and still used the double, he was thinner in Out of Reach and still used the double and i'm sure he will be thinner in Into The Sun and still use doubles. It doesn't matter whether he's thin or not the doubles are here to stay and we are going to have to accept it. Seagal is 50 years old, these movies are low budget, and with the cost of insurance the producers can't afford to have the movie shut down while the star recovers from injuries. Seagal hurt his knee doing a simple wire stunt in exit wounds and so i think he doesn't want to take anymore chances. If you watched Chuck Norris at the end of his career when he was making low budget movies and Walker Texas Ranger he had a double doing all his fighting also. But that doesn't excuse him from completing any post production work on his films. If they need him to redo his dialog then he should go to a studio and do it. It will only take a few hours, he can't be that busy. He needs to care about the final product instead of just taking the pay check and running.


I don't care what he looks like or how much he weighs, as long as he coreograhps his fight scenes using his box office Aikido moves I will be satisfied.
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
I don't think it has anything to do with his weight. It probably has to do something with age and insurance companies.

A lot of stars aren't aloud to do their own fighting or stunts.

Peace
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
Kotegashi said:
I don't think it has anything to do with his weight. It probably has to do something with age and insurance companies.

A lot of stars aren't aloud to do their own fighting or stunts.

Peace
In which case, he's finished as an action movie star.

Stars who aren't allowed to do their own fighting or stunts are usually ones who are just actors - they have no expertise in fighting. Steven is an expert martial artist. That is how he made his mark in films. That is who he is, that is what he brings to his fans, his audience.

Take that away from Steven, and what's left? People pay to see him do his thing. They don't pay to see a stunt man step in and do it for him. How enjoyable do you think Out for Justice would have been if every time there was a fight scene they pulled Steven out and substituted a stunt man? Answer: it wouldn't have been enjoyable at all.

He's perfectly capable of doing his own fighting - as bad as Out for a Kill was, he did do most of his own fighting in that film, despite being enormous. But producers these days seem to think that Matrix-style stunts and wire work is the only kind of fighting people want to see - and Steven is not built for wire work.

For everything else he's not doing - I suspect it's more a case of sheer laziness and boredom rather than issues of age and insurance that are preventing him from doing what he does best.
 
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