Seagal vs. UFC contender(s)

Funksonic7

New Member
Alot of the general public is convinced that the UFC fighters are the best of thee best & also the most skilled & toughest, especially since they all have embraced the concept of cross training. How do you think Seagal would do in the Octagon against a prime UFC fighter?
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Funksonic7 said:
Alot of the general public is convinced that the UFC fighters are the best of thee best & also the most skilled & toughest, especially since they all have embraced the concept of cross training. How do you think Seagal would do in the Octagon against a prime UFC fighter?


First of all UFC fighters are not the best as people portray them to be. NHB/Mixed Martial Arts is very tough and the competitors are very tough. The majority of NHB now a days are just fighters instead of Martial Artists. You have strong big guys who know wrestling, brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing, and muay thai. The majority of the UFC is just ground and pound and is sloppy. There is no art in that. I bet you if you were to see REAL Martial Art Masters such as Morihei Ueshiba, Steven Seagal. Mas Oyama, Bruce Lee, Hee Il Cho, Jigoro Kano, Chun Sik Kim, etc they would win because they are true martial ART masters. Remember martial arts is not just about the physical and fighting aspects but also is about the art, the best fighters/martial artists focus on the art aspect as well. You really have not seen real martial art masters in NHB only a few such as 1994 Olympic Judo Gold Medalist Hideko Yoshida, Rickson Gracie 7th degree gracie jiu-jitsu blackbelt, argueably the best nhb fighter and grappler in the world, the rest of the gracies, and a couple others.

The point is there are many more martial art masters who do not choose to compete in NHB but they are certainley better than these strong NHB fighters out there. Just imagine putting a REAL Martial Arts Master like Mas Oyama vs. UFC fighter Rico Rodriguez, who do you think would win?- Without a doubt Oyama.

So in my opinion yes Seagal could beat most of the UFC fighters out there, but remember Seagal is now older and does not focus on NHB fighting but of a more humble and effective art, Aikido.

:)
 

Jace

Incarnation complete
Littledragon said:
First of all UFC fighters are not the best as people portray them to be. NHB/Mixed Martial Arts is very tough and the competitors are very tough. The majority of NHB now a days are just fighters instead of Martial Artists. You have strong big guys who know wrestling, brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing, and muay thai. The majority of the UFC is just ground and pound and is sloppy. There is no art in that. I bet you if you were to see REAL Martial Art Masters such as Morihei Ueshiba, Steven Seagal. Mas Oyama, Bruce Lee, Hee Il Cho, Jigoro Kano, Chun Sik Kim, etc they would win because they are true martial ART masters. Remember martial arts is not just about the physical and fighting aspects but also is about the art, the best fighters/martial artists focus on the art aspect as well. You really have not seen real martial art masters in NHB only a few such as 1994 Olympic Judo Gold Medalist Hideko Yoshida, Rickson Gracie 7th degree gracie jiu-jitsu blackbelt, argueably the best nhb fighter and grappler in the world, the rest of the gracies, and a couple others.

The point is there are many more martial art masters who do not choose to compete in NHB but they are certainley better than these strong NHB fighters out there. Just imagine putting a REAL Martial Arts Master like Mas Oyama vs. UFC fighter Rico Rodriguez, who do you think would win?- Without a doubt Oyama.

So in my opinion yes Seagal could beat most of the UFC fighters out there, but remember Seagal is now older and does not focus on NHB fighting but of a more humble and effective art, Aikido.

:)
Hhmm that is a tough one to answer as it is opinion based and we will never see it happen no matter how much money is offered due to the credo of aikido.
It would be wrong to say Seagal hasn't had his fair share of pain but it has been applied differently to how the UFC guys train.I bet they would just love to have a go and he has often said in interveiws 'that if you wanna have a go then bring it cos if you do you had better be seriously wanting to kill me(seagal)cos I won't hold back either!'-but the octagon is still only a stage for performers and the necessity of battle would not be fully endowed for an akidoka though I have no doubt one with sufficient experience would emerge victorious
 

Scumbag

The essence of a man
Excellent topic. I, for one am a huge UFC fan as well as a loyal Steven Seagal fan.

All I will say is that provided some of the extensive grapplers didn't ground him (Which would be hard for them to do) he would be quite capable of playing with them until the time limit ran out. All my opinion of course.

I don't want to get into who would beat who.
 

Jace

Incarnation complete
Oh Dear Scumbag...in aikido they do not play...one lives and one dies.If what youre saying could be construed from a different point of view and that is if the current UFC champ did not attack first and then time ran out...Steven would need a few strong sakis to get in there anyways...
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
The problem with the majority of the UFC guys are they are all the same. Strong guys who have backgrounds in wrestling, Jiu-Jitsu, kick-boxing, and boxing.

They are just a bunch of street fighters, some of them are good martial artists but the majority of them are all the same and nothing special about them.

Real Martial Arts masters such as Bruce Lee, Steven Seagal and Rickson Gracie, when it comes to a fight they would be superior.
 

MJ fan

Im bad!
Littledragon said:
First of all UFC fighters are not the best as people portray them to be. NHB/Mixed Martial Arts is very tough and the competitors are very tough. The majority of NHB now a days are just fighters instead of Martial Artists. You have strong big guys who know wrestling, brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing, and muay thai. The majority of the UFC is just ground and pound and is sloppy. There is no art in that. I bet you if you were to see REAL Martial Art Masters such as Morihei Ueshiba, Steven Seagal. Mas Oyama, Bruce Lee, Hee Il Cho, Jigoro Kano, Chun Sik Kim, etc they would win because they are true martial ART masters. Remember martial arts is not just about the physical and fighting aspects but also is about the art, the best fighters/martial artists focus on the art aspect as well. You really have not seen real martial art masters in NHB only a few such as 1994 Olympic Judo Gold Medalist Hideko Yoshida, Rickson Gracie 7th degree gracie jiu-jitsu blackbelt, argueably the best nhb fighter and grappler in the world, the rest of the gracies, and a couple others.

The point is there are many more martial art masters who do not choose to compete in NHB but they are certainley better than these strong NHB fighters out there. Just imagine putting a REAL Martial Arts Master like Mas Oyama vs. UFC fighter Rico Rodriguez, who do you think would win?- Without a doubt Oyama.

So in my opinion yes Seagal could beat most of the UFC fighters out there, but remember Seagal is now older and does not focus on NHB fighting but of a more humble and effective art, Aikido.

:)

You are absolutley right! They are just fighters who do it for the money and not the ART side of things. I think seagal could probably beat all these UFC fighters.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
MJ fan said:
You are absolutley right! They are just fighters who do it for the money and not the ART side of things. I think seagal could probably beat all these UFC fighters.


Ye I agree. However there are some very good Mixed Martial Art fighters such as the undefeated Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Master, Rickson Gracie, also Royce is a great martial artist and not just a street fighter but a 5th Degree Black Belt In Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

But honestly there are ot that many NHB fighters I can say are Master Martial Artists.
 

ad_adrian

Twitter: adadrian
i can guarantee you this.....bruce lee would kick any one of there buts!
and seagal proberly could in his peak,
but fighting thats what we are talking about here is more then just art...as steven well knows....
so right now i wouldnt be so sure.....but in the peak of his life..and where he was most fittest he would definatly stand a strong change of kicking all their butts
 

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
Let me ask you something...Who is to say when 'the peak of his life' is/was if not himself? That lots of people liked the way he looked in the past is obvious, but only he can determine if he was a better martial artist/fighter then or now. I think he has more experience now, and once a master always a master. It only gets better with age. :yin:

ad_adrian said:
so right now i wouldnt be so sure.....but in the peak of his life..and where he was most fittest he would definatly stand a strong change of kicking all their butts
 

Lollipop

Banned
Jalu said:
Let me ask you something...Who is to say when 'the peak of his life' is/was if not himself? That lots of people liked the way he looked in the past is obvious, but only he can determine if he was a better martial artist/fighter then or now. I think he has more experience now, and once a master always a master. It only gets better with age. :yin:

Hey Jalu, long time no see!! Are you coming to chat tonight?

I agree of course with your comment! We have a few you just will not leave him alone! :whazzup:
 

MJ fan

Im bad!
I think alot of the big action stars like jackie chan, sammo hung & jet li would beat most ufc fighters aswell as they are REAL martial art masters. Van damme is a different story tho he would be mince meat in seconds :D
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
Well, it is imposible to say since again, it will never happen. But with UFC etc, rules dictate that no one will die (in theory). On the street, that is a different story. Fight how you train and train how you fight!!!!
 

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
Yeah...I've been very busy. How you been?

I will do my best to be there... :)

Lollipop said:
Hey Jalu, long time no see!! Are you coming to chat tonight?

I agree of course with your comment! We have a few you just will not leave him alone! :whazzup:
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
tenshinaikidoka said:
Well, it is imposible to say since again, it will never happen. But with UFC etc, rules dictate that no one will die (in theory). On the street, that is a different story. Fight how you train and train how you fight!!!!


Ye that is true, but it is the closest thing to a legal street fight.
 
Hmmm...

MJ fan said:
I think alot of the big action stars like jackie chan, sammo hung & jet li would beat most ufc fighters aswell as they are REAL martial art masters. Van damme is a different story tho he would be mince meat in seconds :D

Not to be an arse or anything but I think alot of you guys are being blinded by your love of these stars and letting it throw your logic off.

Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung are actors and their Martial Art "ability" is a part of their acting. I'm not saying that they aren't skilled but their ability is aimed at looking good in a fight on-screen, not real-life, combat effectiveness. Jackie is definitely too small and though Sammo has some size to him which would be useful it also limits his range of motion and I don't think either of them have the grappling skill to survive.

Bruce Lee... well he was an amazing martial artist, fast, intelligent... simply amazing and I have no doubt that he would have been able to defeat a fighter in the octagon with a kickboxing, karate, taekwondo background but I don't see him winning against a Gracie or anyone else with strong submission/ground fighting skills.

Jean Claude Van Damme... First of all I would like to say that I have no love for the man. But I think he (in his better days) would have been more apt to do well in the octagon than Sammo or Jackie because of his physique and he has had some competitive fight experience. If he trained in ground fighting he would still lose but I think he could have ran the clock some. Just too bad his a coked out dumb-arse...

Steven Seagal... First off I would like to relate a story. I met Mr. Seagal some years back when I lived in Japan at an Aikido Seminar. I had the opportunity to receive Irimi Nage from him and it was one of the scariest experiences of my life. Until then I have never felt technique like that and I haven't since. There's this sort of aura around him that says "Don't screw with this guy because he can lay you out in a second". That being said he was a SUPER nice guy, extremely humble and very supportive of everyone. How would he survive in the Octagon? Now he is too old and too out of shape but in his prime I beleive he would have been a good competitor. He has a ton of knowledge and skill standing up as well as on the ground. He could use more upper body strength but all in all he would have been able to hold his own. The one thing that amazed me the most about his Aikido at the Seminar was how LIGHTNING quick he was when receiving. That ability would be superb in the ring as everyone would have an impossible time putting him on the ground. After watching him effortlessly avoid being taken down in Randori I can imagine how hard it would be for one man to do it....

Thats all I have to say!
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Ryan of Yamaguchi said:
Not to be an arse or anything but I think alot of you guys are being blinded by your love of these stars and letting it throw your logic off.

Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung are actors and their Martial Art "ability" is a part of their acting. I'm not saying that they aren't skilled but their ability is aimed at looking good in a fight on-screen, not real-life, combat effectiveness. Jackie is definitely too small and though Sammo has some size to him which would be useful it also limits his range of motion and I don't think either of them have the grappling skill to survive.

Bruce Lee... well he was an amazing martial artist, fast, intelligent... simply amazing and I have no doubt that he would have been able to defeat a fighter in the octagon with a kickboxing, karate, taekwondo background but I don't see him winning against a Gracie or anyone else with strong submission/ground fighting skills.

Jean Claude Van Damme... First of all I would like to say that I have no love for the man. But I think he (in his better days) would have been more apt to do well in the octagon than Sammo or Jackie because of his physique and he has had some competitive fight experience. If he trained in ground fighting he would still lose but I think he could have ran the clock some. Just too bad his a coked out dumb-arse...

Steven Seagal... First off I would like to relate a story. I met Mr. Seagal some years back when I lived in Japan at an Aikido Seminar. I had the opportunity to receive Irimi Nage from him and it was one of the scariest experiences of my life. Until then I have never felt technique like that and I haven't since. There's this sort of aura around him that says "Don't screw with this guy because he can lay you out in a second". That being said he was a SUPER nice guy, extremely humble and very supportive of everyone. How would he survive in the Octagon? Now he is too old and too out of shape but in his prime I beleive he would have been a good competitor. He has a ton of knowledge and skill standing up as well as on the ground. He could use more upper body strength but all in all he would have been able to hold his own. The one thing that amazed me the most about his Aikido at the Seminar was how LIGHTNING quick he was when receiving. That ability would be superb in the ring as everyone would have an impossible time putting him on the ground. After watching him effortlessly avoid being taken down in Randori I can imagine how hard it would be for one man to do it....

Thats all I have to say!

I agree with you to a certain extent, Jackie and Samo are great martial artists but you are right they spend more time focusing their talents to the screen and not train for real life combat situations.

Bruce however I would say he could defeat the majority of the Gracies, the only Gracie he would have trouble with is Rickson.

Van Damme sucks big time.

And in his prime I believe Seagal could beat the majority of the UFC contenders. Then again now a days in the UFC you do not see real martial art masters, imagine putting legendary karate master Mas Oyama in the cage, Oyama would kill all those UFC contenders.
 

GlimmerMan

Huge Member
Jet Li in the cage in Cradle 2 The Grave was a pretty cool scene, but Jet was the first to admit that in a real battle against one of the UFC guys, he would get his ass kicked.
 

Kcs

Member
I think this was posted in a other thread, but still shows that in movies anything can happen:

"Ultimate Fighting Championships star Randy Couture recently completed shooting another movie, his third. He played the bodyguard of the bad guy in “Today You Die,” starring Steven Seagal. “(Seagal) has to go through me to get to the bad guy,” Couture says. “He makes quick work of me.” "
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
GlimmerMan said:
Jet Li in the cage in Cradle 2 The Grave was a pretty cool scene, but Jet was the first to admit that in a real battle against one of the UFC guys, he would get his ass kicked.


Ye and it is true, the UFC guys can beat up Jet Li in a real fight. Jet has no ground experience.

I believe the best fighter in the world alive is Rickson Gracie, and the best striker in MMA is Mirko Crov Cop.
 

GlimmerMan

Huge Member
I agree man. I watched a Rickson Gracie video not so long ago - can't remember the exact details, but it was something to do with his preparation for a big match. One of the ways in which he prepared was to stand in the ice cold torrent of a fast flowing glacial meltwater channel up in the mountains, the logic behind that being that if he could take the pain of the freezing water buffeting his body, he could withstand anything. What a guy!
 
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