tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
And that is the point, why would you try to do a technique where you had to jump or bounce? Not saying it doesn't work per se, just not a smart choice in my opinion!!!
tenshinaikidoka said:And that is the point, why would you try to do a technique where you had to jump or bounce? Not saying it doesn't work per se, just not a smart choice in my opinion!!!
TDWoj said:The thing is, though, aikido is all about being centred, and hopping up like a kangaroo diminishes the centredness - in my opinion, of course. Just because the hopping worked, doesn't make it right - or make it a usable aikido technique. (Just trying to picture O Sensei hopping up to bring down a bigger opponent. Nope. Can't see him doing that.)
Just as an aside: Yamada scolded my head instructor at the recent seminar for not teaching her students to bend their knees more. We're too straight-legged and "floaty", apparently. My hams are hurting big time, now, from more bent leg practice. Thanks, Yamada Sensei....
TDWoj said:If I ever get a chance to go to a seminar with Mary Heiny, I'll ask her about O Sensei and "hopping". She was a student of his, so I guess she would know. She'd be more approachable than Yamada Sensei. Who, by the way, does not advocate jumping at all. And Yamada Sensei was O Sensei's student, as well....
In fact, none of the instructors, including visiting ones, advocate any kind of leaping about. There are some movements done very fast, like ten kan or irimi, that might lend one to think there was hopping involved, but there isn't.
Good that it worked for you. I can't see it, myself. And what do parachutists have to do with aikido, anyway? When you are in the air, mid-jump, you are not centred. You cannot turn your centre to send your uke in the direction you want to go in. All you are doing is using your weight to pull uke down. And aikido is not about pulling. It's about pushing.
TDWoj said:If I ever get a chance to go to a seminar with Mary Heiny, I'll ask her about O Sensei and "hopping". She was a student of his, so I guess she would know. She'd be more approachable than Yamada Sensei. Who, by the way, does not advocate jumping at all. And Yamada Sensei was O Sensei's student, as well....
In fact, none of the instructors, including visiting ones, advocate any kind of leaping about. There are some movements done very fast, like ten kan or irimi, that might lend one to think there was hopping involved, but there isn't.
Good that it worked for you. I can't see it, myself. And what do parachutists have to do with aikido, anyway? When you are in the air, mid-jump, you are not centred. You cannot turn your centre to send your uke in the direction you want to go in. All you are doing is using your weight to pull uke down. And aikido is not about pulling. It's about pushing.
jhogan said:I don't know anyone now who does hopping... but Tohei did it early on and for yrs.
What do parachutists have to do with aikido ? Everything, if you make aikido your daily life. You can be centered doing ANYTHING and ANYWHERE, that is my point. And it's not about pushing either - it's about BLENDING.
TDWoj said:I'll let Bill Collins Sensei know. In fact, I'd better tell all of my instructors that they've been teaching us incorrectly, that aikido is only about blending, that pushing is not correct. I'm sure they'd want to have their misapprehension of aikido corrected as soon as possible, before they do any more damage to their students.
tenshinaikidoka said:I will agree that everyone's Aikido is there own and they can do with it what they want. I think personally, if I had a larger aggressor, I personally would not do an iriminage. And Aikilove, you are correct, I would like to train with you as well, it would be fun and I love exchanging ideas/techniques with other Aikidoka.
TDWoj said:I agree with all of the above, except for pulling. The number of times I've had an instructor bellow in my ear, "Push! don't pull!".... as I've discovered, pushing works. Pulling doesn't. But that may be because I have no upper body strength. Pulling might work if you've got the physical strength to do it. I don't.
jhogan said:If you are pushing against an opponent you have lost, as all the opponent has to do is accept your force and suck you in so that you are disadvantaged.
jhogan said:You go girl !