spirituality

hl-angel

New Member
Hi.
It's HLangel here.
Id like to ask your opinions if i may. It seems to me that Steven Segal has tried to look at spirituality in many different respects. It is stated on the web that he was brought up as a christian.
Since then there have been many rumors saying that he has looked at many different religions and that he is now a buddist I think.
Anyway the point is what is religion and spirituality really about???
I look at it all as being how we live our lives and treat other people we meet. I am a catholic but i no longer go to church as i have become disillusioned with my faith.
To me it doesn't matter who you believe in as long as you treat others with the same respect and goodwill in which we would like them to treat us. Have i got this wrong.
 

Wayne

New Member
Spirituality is being of the spirit. The spirit is one part of the triad forming reality. The other are the being of the mind and the being of the senses or body. Together these three create reality. To achieve harmony a delicate balance must be maintained. For with harmony we find contentment in unity with the universe.

What makes us human? Is it the ability to walk on two feet and think? Is it the complexity of emotion that permeates our lives like an ocean fog? Who are we really? Even when we define ourselves as a soul, what are we talking about? Is it some mysterious connection with an “inner self” that few human beings have access to while others simply live their lives in robotic imitation or denial?

“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience”, said somebody once, “but spiritual beings having a human experience”. Most of us have had peak experiences in our lives where we can identify with this “spiritual being”, but few of us feel able to sustain this awareness. Meanwhile, all kinds of dogmas, rituals, and religions have grown up around this awareness of our inner self, which have unfortunately done more to clutter than to illuminate the truth, leading to a painful disconnection from our inner being, with each other, and with all life on Mother Earth.

In this short essay, spirituality in a multi-dimensional, evolutionary context. Who we are is a vast ocean of awareness seeking to find a reflection of itself in physical form. Whether we call this atman, soul, essence, spirit, being, monad, or divine spark, we are awesome beings eternally powerful and self-aware. At a certain point, we choose to experiment with physical matter, created physical bodies for self-expression, and entered the playground of form. It was a delicate operation, for while the potential existed for a greater exploration of diversity in the incredible beauty of physical form, there was also the danger that we would somehow get lost in matter. It was rather like a pearl diver plunging into the ocean depths hunting for pearls and finding that his lifeline had become tangled in the weeds..

From an evolutionary perspective, it is the DNA of our physical form that holds the memories of who we are, as well as the potential of what we can become. Our DNA was imprinted as a perfect reflection of spirit in the worlds of form. At a certain point in history, for reasons that I won’t elaborate at this point, our DNA experienced distortions, and our lifeline was broken. We experienced ourselves as marooned in bodies of matter, disconnected from the worlds of our origins. We became lost in matter, and experienced separation from our vast identity as spirit. We became identified ourselves with our bodies, with our brief sojourn in matter. Our minds, instead of serving as a link to the infinite worlds of multi-dimensional expression, became locked into a rigid sense of separate material identity. Disconnected from the truth of our inner being, we fragmented ourselves, and our bodies began to age, suffer, and die.

How do we reverse this sad state of affairs? In order to discover again who we truly are, we first need to recognize who we are not. We are NOT this sorry excuse for humanity that clothes itself in pathetically narrow religious, cultural, or historical identities. We are NOT a cancerous, murderous species out to devour the world. We are NOT the static within our minds that keeps us hooked into a pointless robotic existence. We are NOT bodies separate from our souls, nor hearts disconnected from our minds. And we are NOT alone in the universe.

What we refer to as “enlightenment” is the first step in this journey. It is a neurophysiological process whereby the mind is linked with heart, which, yoked together, link with the dimensions of soul. It is only the first step, however. As our DNA begins to respond to these linkages, the physical body begins to mutate. The cells begin to absorb nourishment directly from the cosmos, the mind allows increasing access to higher dimensions, and the soul finds fuller expression in body of purified matter. Eventually the body becomes a clear, perfect reflection for the intent of spirit, and soul can incarnate fully within the body. Some call this process “ascension”.

For the masses of humanity, this is still to come, however. It may not be till certain shifts take place in the energetic balance of Earth that we become fully capable of living as limitless spiritual beings in human bodies. As we come closer to the end of linear time as reflected in the Mayan calendar, the energetic balance on Earth will go through a profound shift. Until then, we can begin with contemplating our true potential, and awakening from the illusions of who we are not. Once we recognize who we are not, our souls can work more directly to illumine our bodies and minds. Although the mass enlightenment and ascension of humanity may not happen until later, each of us can begin our individual journey here and now.

For long eons, humanity has slumbered in unconsciousness, and has come close to destroying forever its own habitat. We have wandered deep into a prison of our own making, and have tried desperately to cut off all traces of our true origins and destiny. Our DNA has been distorted, and we have genetically engineered ourselves almost to extinction. However, we are at a moment in time when we are preparing to awaken from this deep slumber and take our place as fully conscious, mature, spiritual beings in the vast playground of created universes. After all our wanderings, we are preparing to finally come home to ourselves, and to truly know that place for the first time. May we journey well!

Namaste,

Wayne Fonseca
www.dreamlife.biz
"Do what you can, With what you have, Where you are"
 

Jules

Potters Clay
Huh? What? That is sure different from what I read for myself in the bible. :confused: Where do you get your information?
 

Wayne

New Member
God is Love

Julie Scarborough said:
Huh? What? That is sure different from what I read for myself in the bible. :confused: Where do you get your information?

Hi Julie,

This is in the spritual context in the religion context most human beings think that they cannot follow Christ's example, simply because they were told that they are too ignorant, too helpless, that they are nothing. And because this brainwashing was perpetuated generation after generation, they ended up by believing it.


'He that believeth on me, the work that I do shall he do also.' Remember in my last article what i wrote "We believe what the Church, what the priests tell us, that we are sinful and without Jesus we will go to Hell! If Jesus were to come back again, He would cry His soul out because His teachings have been distorted and tortured in such a way we struggle every day to only earn a few pennies, and pray all the time without being answered. It is because we don't pray to the right source, and we knock on the wrong door.

My point here is reading the Bible or any holy books cannot be understood on the level of the mind, the experience of Christ or all the masters that came before us is different. example If i was to walk the path of any religion it would mean that another religion is False or when they die they will go to hell. But I am not saying that the teachings of this prophets or even Christ are wrong I'm saying that the teachings have been distorted for century. To know the truth is to let go and let God show you " for where your heart is there will your treasures be".

"Be still and know that i am there". You can be in the religion but find someone who can show to the way to be in union with God. And not think that they are with God as one but to experience him as one. Jesus fasted for 40 days. How many of us take the time to walk the path of christ. Talking and walking is different.

I was a Catholic, Now i walk the path of Truth, The path of God out of the religion context, I still go to church to listen to the gospel because i love the teachings of christ. I am not here to convince anyone or to make them believe or even to confuse them. All of this here i have wrote are only words. You see there is no actual reality there is only the perception of reality.

Fasting, pray 24 hours, 7 days a week, meditate and cultivate compassion and you will see this oneness, this glory that has been unfold before your very eyes . The beauty of God and his creation will unfold for you day by day. I have never been free and happy and loved until i broke away from the religion context and walk the path of God, The path of Truth. In the end religion can only point the way the path that you walk is with God.

I have been in the religion for 23 years I am 25 years old now and 2 years i have touched almost all the holy books not the tora yet but i read the buddha sutras, Pantajali, the bible and the Qur'an and i see this oneness tho there may be some different beliefs that oppose each others again by man.

Julie there is so many things that i have learned through the Holy Sprit that i cant say here in this forum, they are only meant for the experience where its pure bliss something you have never felt before it is like a new experience that God can only offer you. its like sweet Honey the best that he have saved for you until you make the first move to wanting to get close to him and to get lost in his endless Love.

Namaste,

Wayne Fonseca
www.dreamlife.biz
"Do what you can, With what you have, Where you are"
 

Jules

Potters Clay
His word the bible has not been distorted. If I choose to quote from it does not mean I wrote the verse. I do not believe everything priests tell me. The bible yes...the priests ...no.
Jesus does answer prayer, but like a parent sometimes the answer is no. That does not mean I understand why He answered the way He did. I prefer to knock on one door. My Lord Jesus Christs door. My choice.
The bible IS written to be understood. Sometimes you might have to read it several times. I believe God helps us to understand.

I think man made "religions." I do not like the idea of labeling myself a particular religion. God wrote the bible. I am not saying one person is wrong and mine is right. We all choose the path to which we take. I prefer Gods word than confusing myself mixing all these different religions. (not written to be or sound intolerant. It is a choice I have made from reading the scriptures)We all have different views and beliefs, I know. This is mine. I do like hearing though what other people believe to help me understand better where they are coming from.
As for me and ME ONLY: God has done so much for me. Walked with me in times of trouble, Gave me a peace in my heart, Comforted me in times of sorrow, guided me, answers my prayers,(not always the answer I would want for parents do not always say "yes.") Pressed words apon my heart to say when I have asked Him in prayer. He never leaves me or forsakes me. He sticks by me closer than a brother. Like a parent He guides me in what He has for my life. I just have to get my will out of the way and let Him have His.
This is from my heart....not a sermon.. .just a post from my heart. :)
 

Hallarian

New Member
The difference between Spirituality and religion!

One’s religion is how individuals express their spirituality. One shouldn’t expect spirituality, which is philosophy, to mirror each and every religion but it should deal with basic human spiritual needs common to all. The Great Religious Books such as our Old Hebrew and the New testament which is Greek virtually mirror each other regarding human values. But look at the way extremists interpret the words for their own ends. Look how each has at one time or another taken away the rights of women or people of other nations or faiths. What goes around comes around.

In the recent election one group seemed to seize ownership of American moral values derived from spirituality by simply exercising the BIG LIE that they were moral and the others were not. Read history. Today sounds just like the 1930's in Central Europe.

I’ve stood with moderate Christian, Muslim, and Hindi religious leaders at a peace conference while extreme Christians and Muslims snarled at us hatefully and called us names. I was amazed. We were trying to save their lives but they screamed at us. Soldiers had to protect us until the mob tired itself out. A Muslim soldier told me that he wondered if it was worth his life to protect such people of that mob if his country called him to war.

So often Christian and Muslim on the extreme edge use the exact same words to me as they damn me. I just take care of people. It’s what I was born and called to do.

But maybe I should just stay home and skip all the misery and just walk my dog. My health would be a lot better. I could just say the Hell with all of them except that leaves the kids to starve or die under bombs. And if I’m proud of anything I’ve ever done it’s that some children live a little safer, go to school, and eat better for something I did.

Someone here said they don’t care what the rest of the world thinks of us. Hitler declared the exact same thing as he lied to his people about the dangers he told them were threatening Germany. What he wanted was a bigger country. What we want is OIL.

This is one tiny planet that gets easier to fly around every day. Unless you are going to mimic Rome and try ruling the whole earth I think we had better be considering what others think of our high handedness. What you think of me really doesn't matter.
 

Jules

Potters Clay
Why did we go into Afganistan? I suppose that was for oil too? I believe we are only really trying to help the people in Iraq free themselves from evil men who only want their way. They say if you don't do as we say we will behead you! Well I guess they now have a new target US instead of their own people. It is called trying to defeat a bully, just like we had to with Hitler. Da! By the way I thank the Lord President Bush won.
~Mr. Scarborough

Hallarian,
PLEASE stop thinking the worst of me and christians. Why are you so bitter? We, or I anyway am not out to hurt anyone. I wish no harm on anyone. Is trying to help other people bad if you are a christian? Like I said to you in PM, I wish the best for you. I kept my promise when I said I would pray for your health and that the doctors would have wisdom in how to help you. Would a muslim pray for your health and safety? Yes, if they are NOT a terrorist. Jalu has friends that are muslim and I don't think they would kill her or anyone else. Not all muslims are terrorists. Would a muslim care about you as a person? Only if they are not terrorists. Of course, I am sure muslim terrorists care about their own people and families. Are all muslims mean and evil people in your eyes? I am sure not all muslims want to kill everyone they come across. The terrorists do though. Wrapping people into one group does not make them all bad. Yes there are evil people out there but stereotyping people into one group makes matters worse. We all are different.
~Julie Scarborough
 

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
Julie,

Allow me to say something and don't get upset. You are stereotyping Muslims.

Afghanistan..........opium.


Julie Scarborough said:
Why did we go into Afganistan? I suppose that was for oil too? I believe we are only really trying to help the people in Iraq free themselves from evil men who only want their way. They say if you don't do as we say we will behead you! Well I guess they now have a new target US instead of their own people. It is called trying to defeat a bully, just like we had to with Hitler. Da! By the way I thank the Lord President Bush won.
~Mr. Scarborough

Hallarian,
PLEASE stop thinking the worst of me and christians. Why are you so bitter? We, or I anyway am not out to hurt anyone. I wish no harm on anyone. Is trying to help other people bad if you are a christian? Like I said to you in PM, I wish the best for you. I kept my promise when I said I would pray for your health and that the doctors would have wisdom in how to help you. Would a muslim pray for your health and safety? Would a muslim care about you as a person? Are all muslims mean and evil people in your eyes? I am sure not all muslims want to kill everyone they come across. The terrorists do though. Wrapping people into one group does not make them all bad. Yes there are evil people out there but stereotyping people into one group makes matters worse. We all are different.
~Julie Scarborough
 

Hallarian

New Member
I often work with moderate Muslims and Christians and they are my friends. It's the extreme fundamentalist sects of both who scare me and have often threatened me. Julie you are a master of missing the point.
 

Jules

Potters Clay
I came back on line to correct that point about muslims so there were no misunderstandings. I was going to say that: Jalu has friends in New York City that are muslim and I do not think they would wish harm on anyone.

Who is really missing the point here?......I am not threatening anyone. Period. If someone else has threatened you that is not right to throw me into the pot with them is it? Who is wrapping christians all up as a bunch of evil people out to hurt or contaminate the world with our views and throwing a fit when we have something we would like to put into the forum?

Afganiastan .......Osama Bin Laden!
 

Hallarian

New Member
My last word!

Let me try one more time to clarify. I have no problem with moderate Muslims or Christians. They don’t blow up any body , scream at people, and accept people for what they are. They are not merely tolerant of others, but believe that “the Lord’s house has many mansions” and there is room for all faiths.

But the extreme fundamentalist Muslim and Christians doe kill others. They make bombs or invade clinics and back up their intolerance of others with force. These are the people who I’m afraid of. Because it’s their way or no way.

They believe that no matter how much I volunteer to serve God in my way without pay and in considerable danger, I’m damned. It should surprise no one that I avoid such people. Frankly their need to pound their beliefs into others looks like they are not that sure about it themselves. That’s my last word on religion. I don’t even think the subject belongs here.

I'm shuttin my mouth.
 

Wayne

New Member
Julie Scarborough said:
His word the bible has not been distorted. If I choose to quote from it does not mean I wrote the verse. I do not believe everything priests tell me. The bible yes...the priests ...no.
Jesus does answer prayer, but like a parent sometimes the answer is no. That does not mean I understand why He answered the way He did. I prefer to knock on one door. My Lord Jesus Christs door. My choice.
The bible IS written to be understood. Sometimes you might have to read it several times. I believe God helps us to understand.

I think man made "religions." I do not like the idea of labeling myself a particular religion. God wrote the bible. I am not saying one person is wrong and mine is right. We all choose the path to which we take. I prefer Gods word than confusing myself mixing all these different religions. (not written to be or sound intolerant. It is a choice I have made from reading the scriptures)We all have different views and beliefs, I know. This is mine. I do like hearing though what other people believe to help me understand better where they are coming from.
As for me and ME ONLY: God has done so much for me. Walked with me in times of trouble, Gave me a peace in my heart, Comforted me in times of sorrow, guided me, answers my prayers,(not always the answer I would want for parents do not always say "yes.") Pressed words apon my heart to say when I have asked Him in prayer. He never leaves me or forsakes me. He sticks by me closer than a brother. Like a parent He guides me in what He has for my life. I just have to get my will out of the way and let Him have His.
This is from my heart....not a sermon.. .just a post from my heart. :)

Thank you so much Julie. I felt that *hugs*

Namaste,

Wayne Fonseca
www.dreamlife.biz
"Do what you can, With what you have, Where you are"
 

Wayne

New Member
My love goes out to everyone here on this topic. Thank you for sharing your views. I love you all and know we are on this journey back home. May the light guide you back safely and may you continue to touch the lives of others in anyway you can.

Namaste,

Wayne Fonseca
www.dreamlife.biz
"We are spritual beings, having the human experience"
 

Jules

Potters Clay
Hallarian said:
Let me try one more time to clarify. I have no problem with moderate Muslims or Christians. They don’t blow up any body , scream at people, and accept people for what they are. They are not merely tolerant of others, but believe that “the Lord’s house has many mansions” and there is room for all faiths.

But the extreme fundamentalist Muslim and Christians doe kill others. They make bombs or invade clinics and back up their intolerance of others with force. These are the people who I’m afraid of. Because it’s their way or no way.

They believe that no matter how much I volunteer to serve God in my way without pay and in considerable danger, I’m damned. It should surprise no one that I avoid such people. Frankly their need to pound their beliefs into others looks like they are not that sure about it themselves. That’s my last word on religion. I don’t even think the subject belongs here.

I'm shuttin my mouth.

Hallarian,
I think it is wonderful that you go around the world to help others. You are blessed that you can. I wish I could. What I do for others I have to do here and where I can, and I do. You quote the bible well. It does say there are many mansions. I think where the problem is, is the bible verses you do not like. My last signature I used here for example.(John 14:6) You treat me as if "I" wrote it. I didn't. Because I share even what people do not like I am persecuted for it. That is ok. Jesus said it would happen. It happened to Him too. I will not push it on anyone. If I feel compelled to share, I will. It has not stopped anyone else concerning their faiths. That is ok too. This is an open forum after all. We all share whether everyone likes it or not, and whether everyone wants to hear what each has to say. If anyone has a problem with christianity being presented along with other peoples views on Buddhism, athiesm, agnostic thinking, or any other faith here, just have my post blocked from your view or the view you do not want to read.
 

tora

Funmaker
I tell you what,you can't be like God or like Christ but at least you can try to follow in his footsteps.Read my last post in the Kid Ego thread.Perhaps you'll understand then :D
 

hl-angel

New Member
My question was not one of which religion is right or wrong. It was never intended to cause problems or cause people pain.
I am sorry if my question has caused you and upset.
I have looked at many things in my life and tried to work out where i belong in life as i never seem to settle in one place for long.
During this search i found that all through history wars have been blamed on religion as it seems easier to say that men fight for religion rather than because of greed and envy.
Through this we have destroyed our planet and turned against each other.
Here in this forum we all have a common ground and that is Steven Seagal.
Before the dawn of science man believed that anything that had a shadow had a soul, that the stars in the sky at night were the people who had passed on watching over us. they had stories to explain why the sun rose in the morning and the moon came out at night, we now call them myths.
Life was simple and man helped and looked after their fellow man.
We no longer seem to have this, if we see someone begging in the street because they have nothing we walk past, we no longer seem to care about those who have less than us.
I think that this is wrong and that we should learn about people before we judge them.
Is this being spiritual or religious???
How many races have we almost wiped off the face of the earth in the search for more lands????
The native Indians of America said that they did not own the land but that they belonged to it. They seemed to know that we only have a short time on this Earth and that we should live in harmony with it, nourish and look after it.
There were tribes in the rain forests that are no longer there because other men wanted the trees for wood and cut them down.
We poison our waters with pollution and chemicals because it's cheaper to dump the stuff than dispose of it properly.
This is what i feel is wrong with our world, Man's greed.
Isn't it about time we learnt from the mistakes that have been made throughout history and tried to make things right instead of continuing to destroy???
I was once told that i was born in the wrong time zone because i search for somewhere with the old fashioned values of neighbors helping neighbors, a time where our children were safe to walk down the street or play out of our sight as we didn't have to worry about bad people doing bad things to them. It was a time when everybody knew everybody else and looked after other people's children as they would their own.
It seems we now just follow blindly to what we are told and no longer ask questions as to why we are doing what we do.
Anyway we all have a mind of our own and we all believe what we want to believe, i just wondered if anyone else felt the same or if i was alone in my thoughts.
 

Jules

Potters Clay
I think we all miss the day of old fashion values. The day when you aere not afraid to leave the door unlocked to your home or car. The day when you could let your child ride their bike down the street with out fear that you will never see them again. I miss the day when people rolled up their sleeves and helped each other more than they do now. Now, it seems people expect to get paid for "helping" another person. It is sad when there is a natural disaster and you see price gauging instead if sympathy for what someone else lost and wanting to do what you can to help them without inflicting more hardship. Compassion is lacking lately. Very sad.


I am not upset that you asked the question. I tried to share how I feel about my relationship to God and what He means to me.
Thanks and welcome to the forum! :)
Julie
 

Jace

Incarnation complete
Jesus was psychic

Julie Scarborough said:
I think we all miss the day of old fashion values. The day when you aere not afraid to leave the door unlocked to your home or car. The day when you could let your child ride their bike down the street with out fear that you will never see them again. I miss the day when people rolled up their sleeves and helped each other more than they do now. Now, it seems people expect to get paid for "helping" another person. It is sad when there is a natural disaster and you see price gauging instead if sympathy for what someone else lost and wanting to do what you can to help them without inflicting more hardship. Compassion is lacking lately. Very sad.


I am not upset that you asked the question. I tried to share how I feel about my relationship to God and what He means to me.
Thanks and welcome to the forum! :)
Julie
Yesterdays miracles are todays natural laws
mediumship is the solution to the wonders of Jesus and his predictions.
He was reported to have said 'he that believeth on me the works that I do shall he do also, and gr8r works than these shall he do'and that 'signs' such as the healing of the sick would follow them that believed.
The miracles of the spirit gradually ceased, due to comprimise with the world the church got out of touch with the pure grace of god.Jesus revealed god to man and man to himself.Jesus taught men that they could be as he and do the works he did if only they thought as he thought, trust as he trusted, pray as he prayed.
There is much the church has taught men about jesus that they cannot understand but men are beginning to understand what jesus taught them about themselves, about the power of thought, prayer, trust and they are realizing that these powers are god given for the healing of not only body but mind and spirit.When these works of jesus' are exercised, 'signs' are following because they believe.
 

Jules

Potters Clay
Input on Mediums

Jace said:
Yesterdays miracles are todays natural laws
mediumship is the solution to the wonders of Jesus and his predictions.
He was reported to have said 'he that believeth on me the works that I do shall he do also, and gr8r works than these shall he do'and that 'signs' such as the healing of the sick would follow them that believed.
The miracles of the spirit gradually ceased, due to comprimise with the world the church got out of touch with the pure grace of god.Jesus revealed god to man and man to himself.Jesus taught men that they could be as he and do the works he did if only they thought as he thought, trust as he trusted, pray as he prayed.
There is much the church has taught men about jesus that they cannot understand but men are beginning to understand what jesus taught them about themselves, about the power of thought, prayer, trust and they are realizing that these powers are god given for the healing of not only body but mind and spirit.When these works of jesus' are exercised, 'signs' are following because they believe.

Jace,
I know very little about mediums. I was told since I was young that mediums, psychics and spiritists were part of the religion of satanism. After reading your post I was handed a web address: BibleGateway.com

I wanted to know what the bible said about mediums. Using the search, it came up with ten replies.
Three of them I found especially interesting:
1) Leviticus 19:31 Do not turn to MEDIUMS or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your GOD.

2) Leviticus 20:6 I will set my face against the person who turns to MEDIUMS and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people.

3) Isaiah 8:19 When men tell you to consult MEDIUMS and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people enquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

Thank you for your input Jace. I think I will pass on the mediums. Miracles still happen every day. You can read about it in the paper, Readers Digest, Guidpost magazine, and you would be able to hear about some in a television show "It's a miracle." Maybe we do not hear about miracles done in grand style like in the bible where dead people were brought back to life or anythng like that but I believe miracles still happen. :)
 

Jace

Incarnation complete
Julie Scarborough said:
Jace,
I know very little about mediums. I was told since I was young that mediums, psychics and spiritists were part of the religion of satanism. After reading your post I was handed a web address: BibleGateway.com

I wanted to know what the bible said about mediums. Using the search, it came up with ten replies.
Three of them I found especially interesting:
1) Leviticus 19:31 Do not turn to MEDIUMS or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your GOD.

2) Leviticus 20:6 I will set my face against the person who turns to MEDIUMS and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people.

3) Isaiah 8:19 When men tell you to consult MEDIUMS and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people enquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

Thank you for your input Jace. I think I will pass on the mediums. Miracles still happen every day. You can read about it in the paper, Readers Digest, Guidpost magazine, and you would be able to hear about some in a television show "It's a miracle." Maybe we do not hear about miracles done in grand style like in the bible where dead people were brought back to life or anythng like that but I believe miracles still happen. :)
If men of our day have not seen the phenomena of levitation,transportation, dematerialisation and materialisation, if they have been victims of hallucinations fake and fraud then peter and the others must also be victims of such.What jesus has predicted is coming to pass.
The church has been so successful in excommunicating,persecuting and even burning those possessed of the gifts of spirit that it is a wonder there are any left and though they are surrounded by nulliffying unbelief they can in a modified form continue the works that jesus did.And it is these 'signs and miracles' being done by or through mediums that make it possible for intelligent persons alive today not to disbelieve in the 'signs and wonders' done by or through jesus.
 
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