Steven Seagal sued for $14 million by production company
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GlimmerMan
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Hahahaha...
This is awesome - just like the old Seagal message board!
Anyhow, I just dropped in to fan the flames of this uh, 'debate'
Steven, you are the beast within indeed! Whatever that means.
Nick - I would tend to disagree with the point you raised that Fire Down Below (Donut Under Fire???) marked the steady decline of the quality of Seagal's movies. Although I do agree with your remark about his dress sense in that movie. For a start, why would you wear such enormous clothing in the searing heat of the deep South? In one scene, Seagal is dressed in a black leather coat complete with pink and yellow stripes! Enough said! Hahaha!
Under Siege is always going to be the benchmark against which all Seagal films are judged from a critical point of view, but for me, Fire Down Below was a solid ecological action thriller and while the fight scenes suffered from some ludicrous looking fast cut techniques, Seagal looked cool and acted well. I could have done without the embarrassing love story sub-plot when Seagal's character dates a mentally disturbed mountain girl played by the cute Marg Helgenberger, but the 'love scenes' if you can call them that were mercifully kept to a minimum. Although some of the action scenes are not quite as brutal as some of his movies from the early 90's, the part where he chokes out a bad guy with his own arm in the mine sequence gives me a hard on, it is so cool! I think the film succeeded on many levels, not least in the way that it showed Seagal's character as more human and caring than some of his earlier movies. The only thing that disappointed me about this movie was when Seagal picked up a guitar, he didn't hit anyone with it.
After Fire Down Below came The Patriot, which was short on action but long on drama and stretched Seagal's acting talents to the limit! It was still a cool movie, but could have benefitted from some more action. Then came Exit Wounds, which was awesome, but unfortunately, the trend could not be continued with the absurdly bad Ticker. The fairly decent Half Past Dead again got me excited that Seagal was making a comeback, but unfortunately, The Foreigner, Out For A Kill, Belly Of The Beast, Out Of Reach and Into The Sun have fallen a long way off the target in terms of what I expect from a Seagal film. So, I reckon the decline probably started with the release of Ticker.
GMan
This is awesome - just like the old Seagal message board!
Anyhow, I just dropped in to fan the flames of this uh, 'debate'
Steven, you are the beast within indeed! Whatever that means.
Nick - I would tend to disagree with the point you raised that Fire Down Below (Donut Under Fire???) marked the steady decline of the quality of Seagal's movies. Although I do agree with your remark about his dress sense in that movie. For a start, why would you wear such enormous clothing in the searing heat of the deep South? In one scene, Seagal is dressed in a black leather coat complete with pink and yellow stripes! Enough said! Hahaha!
Under Siege is always going to be the benchmark against which all Seagal films are judged from a critical point of view, but for me, Fire Down Below was a solid ecological action thriller and while the fight scenes suffered from some ludicrous looking fast cut techniques, Seagal looked cool and acted well. I could have done without the embarrassing love story sub-plot when Seagal's character dates a mentally disturbed mountain girl played by the cute Marg Helgenberger, but the 'love scenes' if you can call them that were mercifully kept to a minimum. Although some of the action scenes are not quite as brutal as some of his movies from the early 90's, the part where he chokes out a bad guy with his own arm in the mine sequence gives me a hard on, it is so cool! I think the film succeeded on many levels, not least in the way that it showed Seagal's character as more human and caring than some of his earlier movies. The only thing that disappointed me about this movie was when Seagal picked up a guitar, he didn't hit anyone with it.
After Fire Down Below came The Patriot, which was short on action but long on drama and stretched Seagal's acting talents to the limit! It was still a cool movie, but could have benefitted from some more action. Then came Exit Wounds, which was awesome, but unfortunately, the trend could not be continued with the absurdly bad Ticker. The fairly decent Half Past Dead again got me excited that Seagal was making a comeback, but unfortunately, The Foreigner, Out For A Kill, Belly Of The Beast, Out Of Reach and Into The Sun have fallen a long way off the target in terms of what I expect from a Seagal film. So, I reckon the decline probably started with the release of Ticker.
GMan
Nick
The Writer
"Nick - I would tend to disagree with the point you raised that Fire Down Below (Donut Under Fire???) marked the steady decline of the quality of Seagal's movies. Although I do agree with your remark about his dress sense in that movie. For a start, why would you wear such enormous clothing in the searing heat of the deep South? In one scene, Seagal is dressed in a black leather coat complete with pink and yellow stripes! Enough said! Hahaha!"
Glimmer don't worry too much about disagreeing with me. Lolli here loves to do that especially. Just in her nature
I have no trouble watching Fire Down Below. But the fight scenes didn't impress me all that much and the fact that he kept fighting the reoccurring bozos didn't help. They are incompetent so therefore present very little actual danger as I see it. I did enjoy the ending Mine Fight and the short but very well choreographed Body Guard fight in the Las Vegas Casino.
You see it as his last great action film before Exit Wounds I see it as a start of a downright spiral. And while Patriot did include some good acting(Funeral Scene etc) I am clueless as to how anyone can call it an Action movie. There is that jump through the window. By a Stunt Double wearing that grotesque homeless man looking coat. Then we have the scene where he is surrounded and retrieves the gun from the young captain. That I did like through is 10 seconds truly entertainment? Not the kind of what we expect from Seagal at least. And then you have the ending fight which was either made up of two short fights or one I don’t recall. Either way the opponent was unskilled and pathetic looking. Look Steven is fighting the Monopoly Man or Mr. Peanut looking Man who wants World Domination. What I praised that film was Steven's attempt to do something different but outside of that there's little to like in this film.
I agree with your view of all his newer films except for maybe Into The Sun. But I guess we just differ in our opinion about Fire Down Below and Patriot.
P.S Yes, the multi colored Jacket didn't quite fit with the scenery or the location. It looked like he belonged in a Circus entertaining a bunch of people
Glimmer don't worry too much about disagreeing with me. Lolli here loves to do that especially. Just in her nature
I have no trouble watching Fire Down Below. But the fight scenes didn't impress me all that much and the fact that he kept fighting the reoccurring bozos didn't help. They are incompetent so therefore present very little actual danger as I see it. I did enjoy the ending Mine Fight and the short but very well choreographed Body Guard fight in the Las Vegas Casino.
You see it as his last great action film before Exit Wounds I see it as a start of a downright spiral. And while Patriot did include some good acting(Funeral Scene etc) I am clueless as to how anyone can call it an Action movie. There is that jump through the window. By a Stunt Double wearing that grotesque homeless man looking coat. Then we have the scene where he is surrounded and retrieves the gun from the young captain. That I did like through is 10 seconds truly entertainment? Not the kind of what we expect from Seagal at least. And then you have the ending fight which was either made up of two short fights or one I don’t recall. Either way the opponent was unskilled and pathetic looking. Look Steven is fighting the Monopoly Man or Mr. Peanut looking Man who wants World Domination. What I praised that film was Steven's attempt to do something different but outside of that there's little to like in this film.
I agree with your view of all his newer films except for maybe Into The Sun. But I guess we just differ in our opinion about Fire Down Below and Patriot.
P.S Yes, the multi colored Jacket didn't quite fit with the scenery or the location. It looked like he belonged in a Circus entertaining a bunch of people
Lollipop
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Glimmer don't worry too much about disagreeing with me. Lolli here loves to do that especially. Just in her nature
Lolli has kept her mouth shut since you put her in her place!
I have only treaded on my usual threads, except to speak to that little critter
up there!!
Are you calling me out?
:apeace:
Lolli has kept her mouth shut since you put her in her place!
I have only treaded on my usual threads, except to speak to that little critter
up there!!
Are you calling me out?
:apeace:
Storm
Smile dammit!
As admin,i expect them to back him! If this site was a ship,i'd make some of you walk the plank!TDWoj said:
If you lot don't give a **** about Seagal,the Britney Spears site is free!
We are supposed to be his fans.Yes he may have showed up for filming late blah blah but if people don't like him,why plague here? This is for fans. I have criticised Seagal for his faults,before anyone moans,but if we don't back him who will? I hope he does not read this place..
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Glimmer the Appalaichian Mountians(sorry if miss spelled) Is in the north not the south,and since it looks like he is from the city going into Hillbilly country it actually looks right on. City folk always looks out of place to country folks, Espcially in Hillbilly country.
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Nick
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I don't think TD requires any criticism as me and him mostly agree with what's been happening to Seagal lately. We care about him but does he really feel the same about us? I think there's only one thing on his mind lately. And that's the 4-5 million paycheck. I remember reading about him requesting or complaining about the HK Script for his Upcoming Bey Logan Project. Lets hope he doesn't get it in his hands or his writer friends who obviously never went to School. Today You Die if it ever gets Released already sounds brutally butchered to pieces. The HK Project is the last film I have faith in and if everything goes as planned it might be great.
Storm said:
I do back him, Storm; I also reserve the right to get annoyed with him, from time to time.
With Steven, for me, it's like watching him walking on train tracks. I see him on the tracks, I see the train coming, I'm shouting to warn him, but he continues to walk on the tracks, oblivious. That's how I'm feeling about him at the moment. I'm sorry if my alarm at this turn of events made my comments look like they were dissing him. You can't read intent on a screen unless it's spelled out, and I didn't spell it out.
Amos Stevens
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Perfect Mason..I was trying to think of a way to calm things down
Ofcourse if Seagal doesn't start paying a little more attention to what he's doing in his movies-he will be having to pay the production companies to have him in the movies
Ofcourse if Seagal doesn't start paying a little more attention to what he's doing in his movies-he will be having to pay the production companies to have him in the movies
Lollipop
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Steven Seagal's Legal Battles
June 10, 2005
Tough-guy actor Steven Seagal knows how to fight back. The star of "Exit Wounds" has fired a legal bullet at a movie company. Seagal claims he was lied to, defrauded, cheated, extorted and intimidated by henchmen at the NU Image Company.
Seagal is countersuing a $14 million lawsuit that was just filed against him claiming the star delayed production on two movies because of his diva-like conduct.
June 10, 2005
Tough-guy actor Steven Seagal knows how to fight back. The star of "Exit Wounds" has fired a legal bullet at a movie company. Seagal claims he was lied to, defrauded, cheated, extorted and intimidated by henchmen at the NU Image Company.
Seagal is countersuing a $14 million lawsuit that was just filed against him claiming the star delayed production on two movies because of his diva-like conduct.
BillyRayLancing
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The fact is that when Steven signs up for a movie and gets that pay check hes entering into a contract to show up on time and do what his bosses say. If i turned up for work late, went early and decided to change how i did my job without the permission of my boss id be fired - theres no special rule for Seagal just cos hes a film star. If he breaks the rules he faces the consequences - i dont see why people would disagree with NuImage on this one.
GlimmerMan
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BillyRayLancing said:
I agree with this.
hofmae
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GlimmerMan said:
At the End i think it doesn't matter if the movie is a good or a bad b-movie... I think the money the get for sales now for a very good b-movie is not much more than for a bad b-movie. Because i think most money they make with the fans, and they buy dvd's from Steven even if they're worse!
BUt i really hope that Steven puts more efforts into his future projects, because yesterday i saw again "Fire Down Below" and in this movie (like in other old projects) you see that he has fun doing this, and i want to see him again having fun!!!
Storm
Smile dammit!
We all have a right to criticise Seagal,but like i said,i thought this was where his fans hang out!
If he breaks his movie contract,he will no doubt not get paid! As long as he's still in this business,i want to give his new stuff a chance.
When Seagal tires of all the sniping and calls it a day,i wonder what will become of places like this?
If he breaks his movie contract,he will no doubt not get paid! As long as he's still in this business,i want to give his new stuff a chance.
When Seagal tires of all the sniping and calls it a day,i wonder what will become of places like this?
Clement3000
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Storm, this is the best thing I've read on this site in weeks, thanks.Storm said:
BillyRayLancing
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What i dont understand is how people can sit back and encourage him to make more films like Submereged - surely its the duty of the fans to let him know when his movies start to drop in quality so he realises and raises the bar again. If not mabye he thinks people like Submereged just as much as Under Seige etc. and will continue to make poor movies.
aikidoboynj
"Lookin fit Nelson"
Maybe since Seagal knows his last 8 flicks have all been turd-bombs that its already over(motivation gone) and he's cashin in on the gullibility of the action audience to pay the 25 for donut under fire part II
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