Steven Seagal sued for $14 million by production company

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Serena

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Okay. I changed the words a little.

I like Steven. I like almost all of his movies. I greatly admire the work he does for charities. I like his music CD. I respect his religious and ecological beliefs. :) I am not a "drooling woman in love", nor a "blind, fanatical fan". :D I am only, as so many like to say, "Merely expressing my opinion." ;) :D Yes, you all certainly have the right to speak your mind--and so do I, only a little different this time. :D

"There shouldn't be such cases of blatant repetitiveness just because you disagree with someone."
There shouldn't be such blatant repetitive hatred of him and his movies on a fan appreciation site, but there is. :indiffere

So why not a little blatant repetitive fondness of him. :D
 

Serena

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I expect some moderator will delete all these personal discussions soon.

I like Steven Seagal. I enjoy his movies. I admire the work he does for charities. I like his music CD. I respect his religious and ecological beliefs. :) I am not a "drooling woman in love", nor a "blind, fanatical fan". :D I am only, as so many like to say, "Merely expressing my opinion." ;) :D Yes, you all certainly have the right to speak your mind--and so do I. :D
 

Nick

The Writer
Sure I am one of the few. A few good man :) Good film I didn't try to subliminally or subtly hint at anything there. Cough Cough
 

Storm

Smile dammit!
Well Nick,i think all these negative comments are really unanswerable! I don't know why Seagal gets so much **** all the time.
Even when he was at his peak he had 10 snipers for any fan. If we think he's useless,and we don't want his films any more,we all know where the door is.
I will continue to give him a chance,be glad he's still trying at his age and making movies.
Btw,be grateful she is so fair as a moderator and cut the bitching.
 

Nick

The Writer
My comments might be seen as questionable. What are his tactics? Well I am not plotting world domination I am just trying to show Serena's immaturity.

I am a Fan. Have been for many years but I am loosing hope. And that is my opinion/view. You have yours and I am fine with that. I just don't like Serena's tactics. She is obviously a fanatic even if she is in denial. And she can't stand any negativity in regards to Steven. I keep telling people this isn't a Utopia. It's a Forum where people have different opinions. Deal with it.
 

Serena

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You missed the whole point. :D It's okay for everyone else to say the same thing over and over and over and over again--as long as they agree Steven and his movies suck. :rolleyes:

Funny--I thought you might have caught the irony in that. :D

Actually, I do like Steven and his movies, and I think this thread is a disgrace.
Was that a little different? ;)
Oh, btw--Just my immature opinion. :D
 

Storm

Smile dammit!
Hey son,cut the tone eh? If you have lost hope,buy Van Damme's movies. Those of us with loyalty will continue to give him a chance.
She repeated a reply yes,but a lot here are ****ed off with all the negativity here. So he's maybe not as good as he once was. I am sure when he calls it a day,and sees his own fans turning on him,he'll retire happy.Then again..
 

Nick

The Writer
Believe me I caught your little sly humor. You aren't exactly cunning through perhaps you think you are. We expressed ourselves in different ways. Different wording. You just Copy Pasted yourself. Sure I caught the reference the focal point you were making. But isn’t it time to seize this now that you made your point?

You might think it’s a disgrace some might think it's the truth. Either way opinions differ.
 

Nick

The Writer
"Hey son,cut the tone eh?"

Believe me there’s little anger behind my posts. Only my own amusement at whats going on. So please spare me you teachings. It's pointless to start arguments with a writer. In the end you will loose.

I am glad he is till making films but I already explained everything else I dissatisfied with.

And on another matter let's not get immature with the Van Damme comments. If you think it's alright to call me a son. You being older and wiser from your perspective. Well let me tell you something. Comments like that clear that fog. Who is the immature one really?
 

Serena

Administrator
Storm said:
Hey son,cut the tone eh? If you have lost hope,buy Van Damme's movies. Those of us with loyalty will continue to give him a chance.
She repeated a reply yes,but a lot here are ****ed off with all the negativity here. So he's maybe not as good as he once was. I am sure when he calls it a day,and sees his own fans turning on him,he'll retire happy.Then again..
Hey, Storm, thanks for the support! :) I appreciate it. Lots of others actually do feel the same way as I do, and it's been discussed quite often lately. But in other threads. The ones where there's no whining and complaining about Steven and his movies. ;) :D
 

Nick

The Writer
Amusing. Now the group I belong to are called whiners? Shakes head and frowns. I think this is why I didn't come to this Forum often. To much ignorance and delusions. They say there's equal view points but really one side overpowers the other.
 

Serena

Administrator
To get back on the thread topic, has anyone actually even read the countersuit? I find that rather interesting. And the comments by Ed, the attorney were appreciated. :) Just imagine--there really may be two sides to this lawsuit after all. :eek: Who knew? :D
 

Nick

The Writer
Yes, I suppose getting back on Topic would be the best course of action. Since we all differ so much. Wow what a revelation. I am just glad that some people's immaturity stopped ;)
 

Nick

The Writer
Not sure this was posted but it does include some facts:

Seagal Fights Lawsuit
13 June 2005 (WENN)
Martial arts movie star Steven Seagal is fighting back after being sued for allegedly delaying the production of two action movies - by countersuing the production team. The Exit Wounds actor has been accused of arriving late to film sets, and then leaving early, as well as interfering with scripts and movie crews while shooting Today You Die and Mercenary by producers at Nu Image, Inc and Kill Master Productions. But Seagal is disputing the $14 million lawsuit, insisting he's the one who has been wronged. His attorneys have filed a fraud and breach of contract lawsuit against the producers, claiming the actor is owed $835,000 for his services. Seagal claims producers fabricated their claims against him to avoid paying him what he's owed.
 

Storm

Smile dammit!
This notion a writer makes someone intelligent is hilarious.Some of the worst sorry excuses for stories are by "writers". Superiority on that angle does not follow.
So give it a rest..son.:D
 

Serena

Administrator
Nick said:
Yes, I suppose getting back on Topic would be the best course of action. Since we all differ so much. Wow what a revelation. I am just glad that some people's immaturity stopped ;)
:D Hahaha :D You really think I would have gone on like that indefinitely? :D You really don't know me at all, Nick. ;) You should try reading around the forum more. :D I'm pretty cool when you get to know me. :D

And, by the way, I still do like Steven, enjoy his movies, admire the work he does for charities, like his music CD, and I hope he sticks around and makes more movies--just to tick off more people, if nothing else. :D And I still think it's a disgrace the way people keep saying the same negative things over and over and over and over. :rolleyes:
 

Nick

The Writer
Storm:

I think I will choose when to end an argument. If I wanted your opinion I would ask for it. I know I am intelligent and superior to many people. I do not need people of lesser intelligent to tell me otherwise :) I don't see as starting to argue since Craig is not going to allow it either way. Feel free to E-mail me. When I have a free minute I will be sure to get back to you.

Serena:

Frankly I didn't. You seem very determined if not slightly stubborn. But so am I so we might have what one calls a conflict of interest.

As far as me searching this Forum for your posts. It's a waste of my precious time. To be frank I could care less about getting to know you. Why? Because the feelings are mutual so why would we waste each others time. Amusing thing is that you actually call yourself a writer. I hope your writing isn't as immature as your tactics on this Thread. Maybe this is why you haven’t been able to sell your work? Or perhaps it the fact that you spend almost every free minute of your day here. It's hard to write when you are busy Moderating a Forum.
 

Serena

Administrator
Nick said:
Serena:

Frankly I didn't. You seem very determined if not slightly stubborn. But so am I so we might have what one calls a conflict of interest.

As far as me searching this Forum for your posts. It's a waste of my precious time. To be frank I could care less about getting to know you. Why? Because the feelings are mutual so why would we waste each others time. Amusing thing is that you actually call yourself a writer. I hope your writing isn't as immature as your tactics on this Thread. Maybe this is why you haven’t been able to sell your work? Or perhaps it the fact that you spend almost every free minute of your day here. It's hard to write when you are busy Moderating a Forum.
HAHAHAHA :D Hon, you really DON'T know me, do you? LOLOL What in the world makes you think I'm a writer? :D I'm a nurse, my dear child. :D And, by the way, I never said I WANTED you to get to know me. ;) If you read a little more besides some of these negative Steven posts, you might know who's who around here. :D LOL :D

Oh, and by the way, I'm sure all these personal posts will be deleted by some other administrator. ;)
And good luck with that, guys. :D
Sorry--but even an upbeat gal like myself can only take so much negativity. :indiffere :D
 

Nick

The Writer
I been told you are a Writer. That's why I mentioned it.

I read majority of the posts. To me there are no borders. I am open minded about the positive and the negative ones. But at this state I seem to be agreeing with majority of the negative views. That does not make me a hater or a non loyal Fan. Loyalty? He isn't a king and we aren't knights. So I am not sure why loyalty is even brought up by Storm. I have been a long time Fan but I am a Realistic Fan. I can openly criticize or applaud him.

Well this Thread certainly allowed you to get the steam out of your ears didn't it? :) I might have gone a bit too far on a few points but I am sick and tired of the Fanaticism ;) So I guess we are both fed up with different things.
 

TDWoj

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Nick, I'm the writer. ;) Serena's the nurse.

My opinion, for what it's worth: This is a fan site, it's true; it's a place where Steven's fans can hang out and discuss Steven's movies and his other activities. However, nowhere on this site (that I've discovered) does it say, "this is an all praise and glory to Steven fan site; no criticism allowed."

Fans should be allowed to say what's on their minds. If it includes criticism, that doesn't make them any less of a fan. It also doesn't qualify them to be branded as "full of hatred". Fans can love Steven and still be annoyed, angry, disappointed and let down. Limiting what fans can say by insisting that because this is a fan site, we are only allowed to say he is unequivocally wonderful in all the things he does, to my mind, goes against what this site was set up to do - which is, be an open forum for fans to talk about Steven Seagal.

There is a big difference between someone who is a fan who expresses his thoughts about Steven's recent movies - or other activities - as disappointment rather than praise, and one who isn't a fan expressing his distaste for Steven's movies in terms that can only be construed as Steven-bashing. The latter, most definitely, are not welcome here.

From the foregoing exchange, it almost appears as if the former is also not welcome here, either.

I will rigorously defend the right of fans to express their thoughts and feelings in the appropriate place and in appropriate terms. If one fan doesn't like a movie that others do, he has just as much right to say what's on his mind as those who came out in favour of it.

And, I should point out - if this were an all praise and glory fan site, nowhere would we see even one negative review of his films. And a lot of those negative reviews tread pretty close to the Steven-bashing line. Why, then, should those negative reviews be posted, but our own members not be allowed to express their thoughts, whether in praise of or disappointed with, those same movies?

Similarly, on this topic of lawsuits, as ever, there are always two sides. We've seen opinions from both sides, with supporting arguments, as well as from those who fall in the middle. In my opinion, limiting discussion to just one side and deeming the other as "inappropriate for a fan site" and immediately dismissing those who take a different view as "fans full of hatred" goes against what this forum was set up to do - allowing fans a place to discuss matters related to Steven Seagal.

It is true that as a fan site, our goal is to support Steven and his activities. Fans expressing disappointment is as much a part of that support as praise. There is room for both, without either side being condemned for it.
 

Nick

The Writer
Ah my mistake then. I guess I confused Serena with you :) Fellow Ontarian :) May I ask one Question through. Why was my last post deleted? I didn't see anything inappropriate in it. Or did Serena sneak in and Delete it out of spite? ;)
 

Serena

Administrator
I think the word "fanatic" is drastically overused here. It seems to be applied to anyone who does not agree that Steven and his movies suck. For anyone who has ever read a post of mine, I never, ever go on about Steven or his movies, or go gaga over him. Yet, as seems to be the case of many who don't like him or his movies, they automatically lump everyone besides themselves into that category: A fanatic. Which is quite absurd.

And, for the record, most women here do not fawn over Steven. A few have a teasing, fun posts, but that's it. Some people here may be living in the past and remember a fan or two who defended Steven continuously. Those few people are no longer here.

For the most part, the people who are being labeled "fanatics", or "blinded fans", or other such derogatory terms, are merely people who disagree with those calling the names, and are simply sick to death of all the same negative things being said over and over and over, by the same people.

That is the point. Do people say it once or even twice and then move on? No. They won't stop until they've tried to convince everyone else how right they are. Talk about fanatical. :D

But even worse than these nonstop attacks on Steven are the derogatory comments consistently being aimed at fans who like the movies. As much as all these *fans* who dislike everything about Steven are free to express their opinion, so should the fans who like the movies be able to do so without being ridiculed. Works both ways, folks.
 

TDWoj

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Nick said:
Ah my mistake then. I guess I confused Serena with you :) Fellow Ontarian :) May I ask one Question through. Why was my last post deleted? I didn't see anything inappropriate in it. Or did Serena sneak in and Delete it out of spite? ;)

Fellow Ontarian, indeed! No, it wasn't me - there's an explanation at the bottom of each deleted post, and who deleted it.
 
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