Clement3000
aka The Phoenix
seagalfan128 said:
That's fine, I won't, thanks for the suggestion!
Submerged - review
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That's fine, I won't, thanks for the suggestion!
Clement3000
aka The Phoenix
We'll Submerged seems to be selling good anyways. It's sales rating on amazon is
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #461 in DVD
It will be interesting to see if this movie sells better than Into the sun, I guess we will find out shortly.
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #461 in DVD
It will be interesting to see if this movie sells better than Into the sun, I guess we will find out shortly.
Littledragon
Above The Law
I am not even going to review this film, it is TERRIBLE!!
As a Steven Seagal fan, this film really dissapointed me, this film was a waste of time and money.
As a Steven Seagal fan, this film really dissapointed me, this film was a waste of time and money.
gunslinger
Member
I was going to buy this from Amazon since it doesn't come out in Australia for another month or so, but now I think I'll wait and rent the local release.
Kaze
New Member
Well I'll be waiting for anothet **** Seagal movie to add to my prestine collection. Buying and watching Seagal movies is a little like a novelty for me now, you always know it's gonna be ghetto and it'll always make you laugh at it's ghettoness but you just can't help yourself.
As for Seagal's movies having more action and a working with a better director. I hear that cult Japanese B-movie director Ryuhei Kitamura director of Versus has plans on moving down to Hollywood. Maybe Seagal and B-movie Ryuhei can hook up and make one seriously badass Seagal flick. Imagine a movie called Versus 2: Terror in the Forest
with Seagal directed by Kitamura Ryuhei. Seagal an jaded ex CIA agent is chilling with his wife and dog in the national park when Yakuzas and Zombies infest the park the rest of the movie will just be Seagal killing Zombies and Yakuzas no bs story no plot just Seagal in a forest killing Zombies and Yakuzas. Man that movie would rock and would satisfy all the fans craving for Seagal action.
Seagal and Kitamura would make an excellent team, since Kitamura is not a man for plots and dialogue and Seagals not a man able to deliver plots and dialogue. Kitamura's non stop action with little regard for story if perfect for a good Seagal flick.
As for Seagal's movies having more action and a working with a better director. I hear that cult Japanese B-movie director Ryuhei Kitamura director of Versus has plans on moving down to Hollywood. Maybe Seagal and B-movie Ryuhei can hook up and make one seriously badass Seagal flick. Imagine a movie called Versus 2: Terror in the Forest
with Seagal directed by Kitamura Ryuhei. Seagal an jaded ex CIA agent is chilling with his wife and dog in the national park when Yakuzas and Zombies infest the park the rest of the movie will just be Seagal killing Zombies and Yakuzas no bs story no plot just Seagal in a forest killing Zombies and Yakuzas. Man that movie would rock and would satisfy all the fans craving for Seagal action.
Seagal and Kitamura would make an excellent team, since Kitamura is not a man for plots and dialogue and Seagals not a man able to deliver plots and dialogue. Kitamura's non stop action with little regard for story if perfect for a good Seagal flick.
hofmae
New Member
suziwong said:I can not say it is better than Under Siege nor Exit Wounds (those are amazing Steven Seagal's character movies but this is not) but it is very nice Action movie.. Also I can not say one of the best Steven Seagal movie but it's OK for me. I liked....
Plot: That's good and different...
picture, sounds,musics,lights: it is very good..
I didn't see any mistakes about visual effects..
I liked Vinnie Jones he was very cool..
STEVEN SEAGAL:
yes he is not very active but very very cool...
Seagal's voice: can be dubbed but not bad...
Seagal Stund Dubble:Actually I want to see him every scenes but in this movie stund dubble didn't disturb me too much.. its Ok !!
Steven Seagal costumes, make-up:
leather trenchcot and green shirt: he weared these in Out For A Kill..
Opera costume and red shirt really very good and I liked.. He was very handsome with opera costume.. [except again his hair]
Steven's fight scenes: yes two fight scenes but was excellent both of them.. may be you think its a few fight scenes but not important if you think totally in the movie.. He is not just an fighter he is an actor too..
I liked..
Driving BMV scenes.. yes I liked..he was very cool...
Finally:
Yes I can not say fantastic but really I liked. it is very good..
Especially if you think, OFAK, TF... it is really excellent..
I liked Submerged and Seagal's Chris Cody character..
and my point: 8/10 ... or.... 3.88/5
...and now I can go to sleep..
You have a nice day/good night ...
suzi
See, Suzi i said my review would be the same like yours
I said you will like it
Hey Suzi, glad to hear that you liked. I'm happy that at least a few people enjoyed it. But I have a question...Not to be an a$$hole about this but when you saidy you liked it and it was OK, how come you gave it 8/10? 8/10 is like a really good movie. Exit Wounds got a 8.1/10 on the 10 Scale rated by action critics...So are you saying that it was really good, or OK? It seems as if most people were disapointed, and some people enjoyed it.
=Seagalfan 128
Answer: Exactly For sake of STEVEN SEAGAL !!!!!!
You think Suzi or Lotus just state their opinion? No they influence.
=Nick
Of course it is possible.... !! I like Steven Seagal and for me there is
no alternate...
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First of all it is not an Steven Seagal Movie.. It is just ordinary action movie.. Seagal is a color in this movie.. Because someone plays his role..
we can call "Special guess star-Steven Seagal"....
I don't understand how people mixed this film with Under Siege or Exit Wounds or other old Seagal movies.. Those were Star Steven Seagal movies..
This part closed......
if you think Seagal's latest movies (Between Half Past That - Into the Sun) this is good one..
It is better than OFAK, TF, OOR.. For me these are very bad..
my final list is here:
Into The Sun
Belly Of The Beast
Half Past Dead
Submerged
suzi
=Seagalfan 128
Answer: Exactly For sake of STEVEN SEAGAL !!!!!!
You think Suzi or Lotus just state their opinion? No they influence.
=Nick
Of course it is possible.... !! I like Steven Seagal and for me there is
no alternate...
----------------
First of all it is not an Steven Seagal Movie.. It is just ordinary action movie.. Seagal is a color in this movie.. Because someone plays his role..
we can call "Special guess star-Steven Seagal"....
I don't understand how people mixed this film with Under Siege or Exit Wounds or other old Seagal movies.. Those were Star Steven Seagal movies..
This part closed......
if you think Seagal's latest movies (Between Half Past That - Into the Sun) this is good one..
It is better than OFAK, TF, OOR.. For me these are very bad..
my final list is here:
Into The Sun
Belly Of The Beast
Half Past Dead
Submerged
suzi
Nick
The Writer
"anger management classes for you!"
I can take this Remark as a piece of sarcasm. Piece of good old fashioned humor. But if you are serious every person with an opinion would need an anger management class. But if that’s true than almost everybody should be locked up according to you
“Of course it is possible.... !! I like Steven Seagal and for me there is
no alternate...”
Interesting... And a little creepy too.
I can take this Remark as a piece of sarcasm. Piece of good old fashioned humor. But if you are serious every person with an opinion would need an anger management class. But if that’s true than almost everybody should be locked up according to you
“Of course it is possible.... !! I like Steven Seagal and for me there is
no alternate...”
Interesting... And a little creepy too.
Nick said:"anger management classes for you!"
I can take this Remark as a piece of sarcasm. Piece of good old fashioned humor. But if you are serious every person with an opinion would need an anger management class. But if that’s true than almost everybody should be locked up according to you
“Of course it is possible.... !! I like Steven Seagal and for me there is
no alternate...”
Interesting... And a little creepy too.
why ?? I am Steven Seagal fan .. For me yes, there is no alternate !!!
seagalfan128
New Member
Well I am happy that it's selling good. It's good to know that Seagal still has a pretty big and solid fan base. He's got some dedicated fans.
Prisoner 1137
1137
Almost like me..
I have to agree with what you said about this list, but I would probably switch Belly Of The Beast for Into The Sun.
suziwong said:
I have to agree with what you said about this list, but I would probably switch Belly Of The Beast for Into The Sun.
Nick
The Writer
Career Overview
1. Belly of the Beast(Nothing exciting in terms of the Storyline or the Acting Department but the Action was fabulous. Brought back memories of the old Seagal)
2. Exit Wounds(Basically part of a Trilogy as I like to look at it. Romeo Must Die, this, and Cradle to the Grave. The first one in my opinion is the strongest one because others just tried to imitate its success. Plot wasn’t mind blowing, but the Action and Comedy worked so I didn’t mind. Key elements were there and it was nice to see Steven in a sword fight again. Brought back memories of Marked for Death)
3. The Foreigner(Story wise this is a quite nice rip off The Transporter. I actually liked the pace and Steven actually showed more emotion than in any other film he has done recently. Action wise this film ridiculously lacked any. Yet for some reason I didn’t mind sitting through three or four 14sec shootouts and fight bits. Somehow the movie managed to entertain me even through it is clearly a lacking Seagal vehicle)
4. Out of Reach(Well there I thought to myself that another Hong Kong Director can only mean good news for Steven as with Belly of the Beast. Boy was I wrong. Cliche line for a cliche film. Barely anything original in this done to death Plot and considerably low in Action film. One thing I did enjoy was the final Mansion which was gorgeous I must say. Perfect Location for a final fight but not a 40 sec sword fight. If you get a Location like that I say use it and not waste it)
5. Out For A Kill(I think my Review is posted but here’s a quick one. Basically this could have been his come back movie before Belly of the Beast if someone else helmed it. The Director's lazy and uninspired camera work destroyed some potentially exciting Action scenes. Frankly I for one don’t enjoy seeing Seagal take on henchman in slow motion. Plot was nothing amazing, but definitely a step below. I think that’s the main problem with his newer films. Sure the Original films weren’t Oscar material but they had some decent Plots. These newer films just seem quite pathetic in that department. Other than some quick glimpses of the old Seagal this is a waste of time)
6. Half Past Dead(Brings me to this since I haven’t seen Into The Sun and Submerged yet. This is a better film than Out For A Kill and Out Of Reach but as a Seagal vehicle this lacks. The Storyline is nothing new and I have seen better versions of it with In Hell and some other older films. Another issue I have is Ja Rule is terrible. I read a long time ago on this site “He was a good actor”. The answer to that is “No”. He isn’t an actor and shouldn’t be even called that. As far as Steven’s two fights which he was Doubled for 99% of the time I have to say they were well choreographed. But in order to enjoy them you have to forget it isn’t him fighting on screen. That’s why I prefer the older films. He didn’t need Doubles to walk up hills, jump over small fences, and fight for him)
Top Five(Enjoyment Wise or Entertainment Wise):
1. Belly of the Beast
2. Exit Wounds
3. The Foreigner(Mostly Pacing Reasons but holds a spot in my heart for some reason)
4. Into The Sun?(Still quite optimistic about this one.
5. Submerged?(Can’t be any worse then the other films)
1. Hard To Kill(A basic yet captivating Storyline. Amazing Action Scenes. And beautiful pacing for a film)
2. Under Siege(A Classic. This is back when Seagal’s characters were two dimensional and not a Story Board Cut Outs. Cheesy Lines, great fights, and just a good film)
3. Out For Justice(Always found it to be somewhat lengthy. But the Fights were too amazing to ignore. The Billiards Sequence alone puts every single recent fight to shame not only by timing but by good choreography)
4. Marked For Death(Never found the whole Voodoo Plot too appealing but the Fight scenes were great so I let that go. Seagal even showed some emotion in the House Attack Scene I believe. Early signs of being capable of performing somewhat emotional scenes which have gone to waste)
5. On Deadly Ground(The Environmental aspects crossed the line a few times to being really tedious. But the last Showdown was simply spectacular and having someone like Michael Caine alongside you can’t be such a bad thing. Yes even if he is a cardboard cut out, with badly bleached hair, and a comic book villain quality to him
6. Under Siege 2(This perhaps belongs a little higher I mean I certainly enjoyed it more than say Marked For Death in every department but the Action one. But either way this is a nice Sequel that never reached the high of the Original in my book)
7. The Glimmer Man(This should be one higher or so. Decent Plot and the Comedy worked quite well. The Action was quite impressive even through the Final Showdown was lacking something)
8. Fire Down Below(This started his decline or great downfall for me)
9. Patriot(Which deserves a zero in my book if it weren’t for glimpses of Dramatic Acting. But only one or two quick scene’s that didn’t quite save the film. Who thought two 13 sec fights would be a good idea?)
Top Five(As with the above I go by entertainment value. I can’t just pick a film for it’s phenomenal fights etc I pick a film that was most entertaining as an entire film not bits and pieces):
1. Hard To Kill
2. Under Siege
3. Out For Justice(Hard choice between this and Marked for Death and On Deadly Ground but I think I made the right one)
4. Under Siege 2
5. The Glimmer Man
P.S As far as Executive Decision which I consider more of an extended Cameo anyway. Well it’s still more impressive than some of the fights in his recent films. I perhaps am living in the older age. Just like with Star Wars Films. But I did immensely enjoy the Third part which belongs up there with the Older Trilogy. So perhaps when Steven does make that one worthy film I can say the same. Belly of the Beast perhaps was the film but I still thought it was missing that something special that made me a Fan years ago.
Newer Films
1. Belly of the Beast(Nothing exciting in terms of the Storyline or the Acting Department but the Action was fabulous. Brought back memories of the old Seagal)
2. Exit Wounds(Basically part of a Trilogy as I like to look at it. Romeo Must Die, this, and Cradle to the Grave. The first one in my opinion is the strongest one because others just tried to imitate its success. Plot wasn’t mind blowing, but the Action and Comedy worked so I didn’t mind. Key elements were there and it was nice to see Steven in a sword fight again. Brought back memories of Marked for Death)
3. The Foreigner(Story wise this is a quite nice rip off The Transporter. I actually liked the pace and Steven actually showed more emotion than in any other film he has done recently. Action wise this film ridiculously lacked any. Yet for some reason I didn’t mind sitting through three or four 14sec shootouts and fight bits. Somehow the movie managed to entertain me even through it is clearly a lacking Seagal vehicle)
4. Out of Reach(Well there I thought to myself that another Hong Kong Director can only mean good news for Steven as with Belly of the Beast. Boy was I wrong. Cliche line for a cliche film. Barely anything original in this done to death Plot and considerably low in Action film. One thing I did enjoy was the final Mansion which was gorgeous I must say. Perfect Location for a final fight but not a 40 sec sword fight. If you get a Location like that I say use it and not waste it)
5. Out For A Kill(I think my Review is posted but here’s a quick one. Basically this could have been his come back movie before Belly of the Beast if someone else helmed it. The Director's lazy and uninspired camera work destroyed some potentially exciting Action scenes. Frankly I for one don’t enjoy seeing Seagal take on henchman in slow motion. Plot was nothing amazing, but definitely a step below. I think that’s the main problem with his newer films. Sure the Original films weren’t Oscar material but they had some decent Plots. These newer films just seem quite pathetic in that department. Other than some quick glimpses of the old Seagal this is a waste of time)
6. Half Past Dead(Brings me to this since I haven’t seen Into The Sun and Submerged yet. This is a better film than Out For A Kill and Out Of Reach but as a Seagal vehicle this lacks. The Storyline is nothing new and I have seen better versions of it with In Hell and some other older films. Another issue I have is Ja Rule is terrible. I read a long time ago on this site “He was a good actor”. The answer to that is “No”. He isn’t an actor and shouldn’t be even called that. As far as Steven’s two fights which he was Doubled for 99% of the time I have to say they were well choreographed. But in order to enjoy them you have to forget it isn’t him fighting on screen. That’s why I prefer the older films. He didn’t need Doubles to walk up hills, jump over small fences, and fight for him)
Top Five(Enjoyment Wise or Entertainment Wise):
1. Belly of the Beast
2. Exit Wounds
3. The Foreigner(Mostly Pacing Reasons but holds a spot in my heart for some reason)
4. Into The Sun?(Still quite optimistic about this one.
5. Submerged?(Can’t be any worse then the other films)
Older Films
1. Hard To Kill(A basic yet captivating Storyline. Amazing Action Scenes. And beautiful pacing for a film)
2. Under Siege(A Classic. This is back when Seagal’s characters were two dimensional and not a Story Board Cut Outs. Cheesy Lines, great fights, and just a good film)
3. Out For Justice(Always found it to be somewhat lengthy. But the Fights were too amazing to ignore. The Billiards Sequence alone puts every single recent fight to shame not only by timing but by good choreography)
4. Marked For Death(Never found the whole Voodoo Plot too appealing but the Fight scenes were great so I let that go. Seagal even showed some emotion in the House Attack Scene I believe. Early signs of being capable of performing somewhat emotional scenes which have gone to waste)
5. On Deadly Ground(The Environmental aspects crossed the line a few times to being really tedious. But the last Showdown was simply spectacular and having someone like Michael Caine alongside you can’t be such a bad thing. Yes even if he is a cardboard cut out, with badly bleached hair, and a comic book villain quality to him
6. Under Siege 2(This perhaps belongs a little higher I mean I certainly enjoyed it more than say Marked For Death in every department but the Action one. But either way this is a nice Sequel that never reached the high of the Original in my book)
7. The Glimmer Man(This should be one higher or so. Decent Plot and the Comedy worked quite well. The Action was quite impressive even through the Final Showdown was lacking something)
8. Fire Down Below(This started his decline or great downfall for me)
9. Patriot(Which deserves a zero in my book if it weren’t for glimpses of Dramatic Acting. But only one or two quick scene’s that didn’t quite save the film. Who thought two 13 sec fights would be a good idea?)
Top Five(As with the above I go by entertainment value. I can’t just pick a film for it’s phenomenal fights etc I pick a film that was most entertaining as an entire film not bits and pieces):
1. Hard To Kill
2. Under Siege
3. Out For Justice(Hard choice between this and Marked for Death and On Deadly Ground but I think I made the right one)
4. Under Siege 2
5. The Glimmer Man
P.S As far as Executive Decision which I consider more of an extended Cameo anyway. Well it’s still more impressive than some of the fights in his recent films. I perhaps am living in the older age. Just like with Star Wars Films. But I did immensely enjoy the Third part which belongs up there with the Older Trilogy. So perhaps when Steven does make that one worthy film I can say the same. Belly of the Beast perhaps was the film but I still thought it was missing that something special that made me a Fan years ago.
Littledragon
Above The Law
Submerged and Out Of Reach have to be the two worst Seagal movies to date..