Submerged - review

Nick

The Writer
"(Seagal VS Van Dam)"

While this isn't new ground it still after all these years looks like a good idea to me. But who would play the villain and who would play the good righteous cop would always be a debate. I mean this is exactly why Jackie Chan/Jet Li film is put on hold. They both want to be the good righteous guys fighting for justice. But keeping in mind Seagal almost got the part of the Villain in Rush Hour 3 so he seems to be more open minded than say Jean Clause Van Damme. But if they were actually approached with this I am sure a deal could be worked out. They both seem flexible to me. Anyone for the right price can be flexible.
 

Nick

The Writer
Okay seems like the Moderators edited my Post even through it didn’t contain any Vulgar Language or Threats of Violence. Guess I am out staying my welcome here :)
 

Serena

Administrator
Nick said:
Okay seems like the Moderators edited my Post even through it didn’t contain any Vulgar Language or Threats of Violence. Guess I am out staying my welcome here :)
No, Nick, you're more than welcome here. :) While the administrators are allowing everyone to voice their opinions--whatever they may be :D--on the movie and/or Steven, Craig's #1 rule is *No personal attacks.* That doesn't necessarily mean vulgar language or threats, but also includes telling another member personally they're wrong for their opinion, or a member telling another they're tired of them expressing their opinion, or that they shouldn't keep posting it.

Everyone here has been allowed to keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over--negative or positive :D--but making it personal isn't allowed. Several others have had their posts edited also.

I hope this explains the situation. :)
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
hofmae said:
For me it was a "good" movie. Although its not a typicall Steven Seagal movie like i said. I love the older movies much more than this one... But its a Seagal Movie that makes me happy. And i found that this movie is not soo bad, good Actionscenes, some suspense. Its really ok i think!


What good action scenes??
 

hofmae

New Member
Littledragon said:
What good action scenes??

Car Chase with Helicopter, Shoot Out at the Ending with Seagal, come on!!! It wasn't that bad...!!! I hate it too, that there aren't any good fight scenes, but the action was well done...
 

Nick

The Writer
Well thank you for clarifying this. I was mostly joking but I guess sometimes my humor can seem a little too malicious and as a personal attack.

"Shoot Out at the Ending with Seagal, come on!!!"

If you want to be introduced to good Shoot Out's rent a John Woo movie. For example those in The Foreigner have been stolen from John Woo’s Hard Target. I am quite sure this movie attempted to do the same more or less.
 

Clement3000

aka The Phoenix
My Submerged Review

I watched Submerged last night with bunch of my friends, and surprise surprise, we all liked it :)
Steven Seagal's straight to video efforts haven't all been of good quality, but I watch B-Movies on a regular basis, and I honestly enjoyed this film.
For me, the worst thing I hear about a Seagal movie before it comes out (is that it's Dubbed by another actor), but in this movie it honestly didn't bother me. I didn't find the dubbing nearly as bad as in Out of Reach, I can't even watch Out of Reach with my friends because the dubbing is so bad, and I feel embarassed for Seagal. Anyways here goes,

Action
I found this movie to have a lot more Action scenes then his recent movies, Into the Sun is an amazing movie, but 65 minutes of it was talking, atleast this movie had someone dying or something blowing up every couple of minutes. I give it a thumbs up on action.

Fight Scences:
This is the only thing that was a let down, not enough fight scenes, and it seemed like Seagal was missing when a lot of the action was going down. It's pretty bad when Vinnie Jones has longer fight scenes than an Akido Master. I did however enjoy Seagal's fight scenes, which looked pretty authenitic Seagal style.

Overall:
I don't expect any Academy Award nominations from Seagal's DTV movies, but they always deliver a good time, this movie was a lot of fun, and Seagal's accent was fun too. I'm just glad he is still making action these movies, he might not be able to get big buget movies anymore, but atleast he's working. I really enjoyed this film, and since everyone is "all about comparisons" I liked this movie more than (The Foreigner, Out For A Kill, Out of Reach, Ticker, Half Past Dead but I liked Belly of the Beast and Into the Sun more).
I found this movie much more fast passed than Seagal's last two direct to videos and action was awesome.

Grade
8 out of 10
(If Seagal had 2 or 3 more fight scenes, I would have liked it more than Into the sun and Belly of the Beast)

BRING ON TODAY YOU DIE!!! Cant Friggen Wait!
This truly will be the year of Seagal.
 

rgray_aikido

New Member
I thought it was a decent film. Not one of his best films but certainly not one of his worse either. It had lots of action, and a good story. The only bad thing of course was the dubbing of Seagal but it was handled alot better than in out of reach where there was aleast 3 different voices. The person tried to sound like Seagal so it wasn't as distracting. It did sound like about 80 percent of his dialog was dubbed. But this voice dubbing crap has to stop!!!!!! I wish we could find out why this is being done. It's not fair to put blame on anybody untill we know who is at fault. Somebody has to get a message to Seagal and maybe we will get a response from him. In my opinion the film wasn't as bad as some people said it was and i'm glad that i bought it. Now all we have to do is wait a few more months for Seagal's next movie.
*** out of *****
 

Amos Stevens

New Member
My review

Well I enjoyed the movie with the reason Seagal was in it & that once he appeared he was in it for most of the movie-except his voice wasn't :(
Wonder if someone was to contact the Submerged production company & ask why the dubbing???
Find it odd that they named the movie & gave the idea of the movie about the sub-which only had a very small part of the movie.
A little too many characters for some people to follow the story & would have appreciated more physical fights in the movie.Maybe he's trying to get away from that image..excuse me I think that would be going against everything that he spent most of his life learning & representing.
Just think the movie could have been a lot better!I think my favorite part was the helicopter coming apart at the end :)
 

Hallarian

New Member
Amos I think we are on the same wave length!

Amos Stevens said:
Well I enjoyed the movie with the reason Seagal was in it & that once he appeared he was in it for most of the movie-except his voice wasn't :(
Wonder if someone was to contact the Submerged production company & ask why the dubbing???
Find it odd that they named the movie & gave the idea of the movie about the sub-which only had a very small part of the movie.
A little too many characters for some people to follow the story & would have appreciated more physical fights in the movie.Maybe he's trying to get away from that image..excuse me I think that would be going against everything that he spent most of his life learning & representing.
Just think the movie could have been a lot better!I think my favorite part was the helicopter coming apart at the end :)

Why that title??? Why the dubbing? But I thought most of the film I was hearing his voice even with the over thick southern accent.

Still I and my friends liked it. My military people think he needs some technical advice, Maybe bunching the soldiers up is necessary for filming. It sure makes them a better targe5 for the bad guys.

Maybe he needs Rooster to point out where they could be more accurate. I 'm a nurse. I only work with military. I'm not a soldier.
 

TwoCents

New Member
I've been away a week and come back to so many pages of posts to read...phew

I have just seen Submerged with my girlfriend she actually took the dog out after 30 mins which made it clear her opnion of the movie but as a fan I watched until the end. I know people keep talking about it but I just want to say if Seagal makes another movie with this much dubbing I will not watch it, I am a fan but not hardcore and find all this dubbing insulting to those who have supported him for so many years. The overall movie is almost as bad as Out Of Reach but not quite but after Into The Sun a movie i enjoyed and think it could have been perfect with just one more longer hand to hand combat scene and the first half edited better (was to slow) but Submerged is a big come down again, it seems seagal makes a good movie then follows with sub standard movies it's rather dissapointing. Vinnie Jones was the best thing in the movie thanks to seagals 'voice' and unexpressiveness (is that a word) his perfromance was one of his worst ever which made Jones look even better, Gary Daniels was good but anybody that has seen this guy knows his skills and one must wonder why a good fight wasn't created between the two.

Anyway I don't want to give a long review just offer some opnions there are so many here already it will only bore you. But to sum up if his next movie is this bad i'll just stick to the old ones...sorry. :(
 
And also I have seen Submerged last week. My thoughts of this film...I can't pretty say anything much about it because of no closed captions which disappointed me however Anthony Hickox surprised me by his work as a director for this film. I thought he did a pretty decent job on DTV and I wasn't that familiar with his work on his previous films but I was surprised though. I thought the movie was more fast-paced and more on action than Into the Sun had. Pretty not bad for a low budget film that created some qualities especially the visual effects were kinda of cheesy but it was done fairly though and also toward the film which is the reason why I was surprised about Hickox. And Seagal's character...you'd expect the same from him which didn't surprise me at all. You're lucky that I couldn't understand what they're saying especially it was dubbed by someone for Seagal but I could hear it which was different from Seagal's real voice. Last thing about this film...I was like oh come on this is so gay when I saw a sequence with airplane which looked like from Thunderbirds but it got me cracked up. Sheesh.

By the way...I thought this actress who worked with Seagal, the white chick...she's soooo HOTTTT, definitely a BABE!!! haha
 

Nick

The Writer
From Amazon:

Whatsup Alligatah?

For an afternoon of light, B-movie, schlock entertainment this movie suffices. I will not here descend into the standard criticisms of almost every Seagal film. I will not lament that this film is not a ¡§return to form¡¨ for Seagal. Whenever I hear critics state this I always think ¡§Return to what?¡¨ Critics say that it¡¦s all been downhill for Seagal since ¡§Under Siege,¡¨ though I personally thought ¡§Under Siege¡¨ was his most boring movie! Anyone else agree? I mean common, we watch Seagal films for the fight scenes, and there was virtually no aikido whatsoever at all in ¡§Under Siege.¡¨ Sure, his acting is bad, but it was always bad. In fact, his acting is part of the charm of his films. Critics always complain that he plays a wooden, emotionless man. Maybe he cannot act, or maybe he is simply adept at portraying wooden, emotionless characters ƒº Seagal does not seem concerned with acting anyway as he seems to think he is portraying himself in his movies. Perhaps he thinks he plays a wide variety of characters, all whom just happen to be ex-CIA/special operatives, etc., and perhaps he does not. People do not watch Seagal films for the acting anyway; they watch them for the same reason people used to watch Bronson films¡Xto see a human terminator annihilate some human scum.
The irritating thing here is that Seagal does seem to think that acting versatility can be portrayed by playing ex-CIA operatives who speak in different accents. Reminiscent of the terrible Russian accent in Half Past Dead, Seagal here is apparently playing a Cajun, as he sporadically slips into a Cajun accent when saying such peculiar things as ¡§There¡¦s some sick s&!t up in heya alligatah.¡¨ (Why he calls a Brit named Henry, played by ¡§Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels¡¦¡¨ Vinnie Jones, ¡§alligatah¡¨ is never explained.) What is here irritating is that Seagal, as in his last several films, for some reason often has someone else dubbing his voice. This is highly, highly irritating. In an action movie, an excess of dialogue is usually a bad thing in the first place. And here, as in many of Seagal¡¦s recent films, there is way, way, way too much dialogue and not enough action. If Seagal does not want to dub his own lines then some of them should just be cut, plain and simple. What is irritating in this film is that when we really do hear Seagal¡¦s voice he is trying to affect a Cajun accent. When someone is dubbing his voice for him it¡¦s just a bad Seagal impersonation sans any attempted Cajun accent. The effect is quite humorous.
I will also here not make fun of Seagal because he is not in primo shape. After all, he is in his fifties now. There is nothing wrong with an older action hero¡Xin fact I prefer them. There is also nothing wrong with a hefty action hero¡Xjust look at Sammo Hung. Furthermore, Seagal is an aikido expert, which is about balance and timing, not strength and agility. (One of the most lethal men I¡¦ve ever seen demonstrate aikido was a little Japanese man in his seventies!) What I will complain about though is that Seagal¡¦s films of late, with the much, much welcomed exception of ¡§Belly of the Beast¡¨ (though that contained an annoyingly high amount of wirefu), have all had little-to-no fighting whatsoever at all. This film, unfortunately, is no exception. There is only one really good fight scene in the film, AND SEAGAL ISN¡¦T EVEN IN IT! (It¡¦s an all-out brawl between an assassin and Vinnie Jones. There is also a nonsensical knife fight between two women that contains some authentic moves.) As for Seagal himself, his aikido moves, which is why many of his fans watch his films in the first place, are here noticeably lacking. Seagal only has two fights in the whole film and they are both astonishingly brief and hardly worth mentioning. If one blinks one will miss them. The first is with martial artist Gary Daniels, though Daniels here does not get to exhibit any martial arts skills at all. (Seagal needs to step away from the tendency of reducing fight scenes to two men flailing their arms at each other¡Xthat doesn¡¦t even look like martial arts.) While both fights are brief and over-edited they are both thankfully free of wirefu. (I think we will eventually look back at cinema and realize that the influence of ¡§The Matrix¡¨ ruined American action films for almost a decade!) What is a true shame about both of Seagal¡¦s fight scenes in the film is that both the sequences they appear in could have easily been so much better. The first, in which assassins attempt to overtake a submarine, could have been much more exciting. This fight with Daniels is too brief, choppily edited, and too dark to clearly see. The only really entertaining thing about the fight is how Seagal randomly bursts out into profanity and then starts nodding his head in the middle of the fight¡Xvery amusing. The only other fight in the film is about two seconds long and is so over-edited that it is hard to make out what is even going on. This scene could have also been so much better¡Xthere should have been a bevy of brainwashed assassins left behind to ambush Seagal, not just one.
The premise of this movie, using mind control to create opportunistic assassins, while not wholly original, is also not wholly uninteresting. A device here is employed to convince men that their wives are about to be killed, pushed off a cliff to be precise, the brainwasher calls them up and says ¡§if you want to help your wife then you need to kill¡K.¡¨ The supporting cast of the film is quite good, especially Vinnie Jones. As some other reviewers have noted, the CGI in this film looks fake¡Xto that all I can say is that CGI in any movie looks fake and that it¡¦s overused in general. The main problem with this movie is that it obviously suffered from severe production troubles. It was originally supposed to be about mutants on a submarine. There are of course no mutants. It appears, by watching this film, that a movie was spliced together after-the-fact by a crew of editors getting paid overtime. The effect is like watching a video game, though this is still one of Seagal¡¦s most entertaining films of late.

P.S After careful consideration and reading this Review I am actually thinking about renting this movie after all. Maybe make a night of it along with Jack Frost and Jack Frost 2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman. Bad but Humorous Cinema :)
 

Bobby_Lupo

New Member
Just saw Submerged...man, what a disappointment! I think the last ten minutes had some good action, but other than that it was a pretty useless 97 minutes. I *hate* the fact that we hear his voice dubbed so much in the film...it just reduces the overall quality a notch further. It doesn't help that the editing is shoppy...it really does remind me of Out for a Kill...coincidentally, it's from the same producers at Millennium Films. Anyways, I hope TODAY YOU DIE is better...and will make up for this mess.
 

suziwong

Administrator
Staff member
Bobby_Lupo said:
it really does remind me of Out for a Kill...coincidentally, it's from the same producers at Millennium Films.

It is coming from his costumes.. Because he weared same things...!!!
dark brown trenchcoat and olive green shirt...:D

photo 1-2:From Submerged

photo 3-4: From Out For A Kill

suzi
 

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Amos Stevens

New Member
That was something else I noticed about Submerged...Codys men was dressed in military specialists black attire with safety gear etc...Cody was wearing a plain street trench coat as he has worn in a lot of his movies :(
 

suziwong

Administrator
Staff member
Amos Stevens said:
That was something else I noticed about Submerged...Codys men was dressed in military specialists black attire with safety gear etc...Cody was wearing a plain street trench coat as he has worn in a lot of his movies :(

hihihihihihii !!:D really I don't want to laugh !! I am sorry :(...!!!
 

yankeefaithfull

New Member
"For me it was a "good" movie. Although its not a typicall Steven Seagal movie like i said. I love the older movies much more than this one... But its a Seagal Movie that makes me happy. And i found that this movie is not soo bad, good Actionscenes, some suspense. Its really ok i think!"

I love Seagal movies as well- when he's the one doing the action. The action sceens were not that great and besides Seagal wasn't in many at all. And how could you bare listening to someone voice over Seagal for the majority of the movie? I know he's getting older, christ we all are, but i said it once, i'll repeat it: someone like Seagal with a martial arts background and one time huge movie star- should have the motivation + $$$$$$$ to stay in better shape!
 
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