Anneliese
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Amos Stevens said:Not sure where to place this photo-hope this is alright area....
Just built this Alter/Niche for an Mother Mary statue
Very nice, Amos
God bless
Anneliese
Amos Stevens said:Not sure where to place this photo-hope this is alright area....
Just built this Alter/Niche for an Mother Mary statue
Wayne said:In the life and teachings of the masters in the far east the masters accept that Buddha represents the Way to Enlightenment, but they clearly set forth that Christ IS Enlightenment...
Jalu said:It's like making a distinction between the thought and the thinker.
Wayne said:Depends on your point of reference.The intellect perceives it as a thought in the beginning and the ego aligns thoughts into a thought to project perpetual consciousness and even union.
One who experiences the Self in the beginning often projects the experience as a thought and in that projection believes the thought is the Self holding the changing thought as the unchanging One, rather than fully surrendering each and every thought back to the Source.
Wayne
Jalu said:I understand that perfectly... however I am addressing the fact that you make a distinction between Buddha as the way to enlightenment/ method, and Jesus as enlightenment itself/fruition . What you are saying here is that Jesus is superior to Buddha. If that is what you believe, then why do you talk about non-duality as if you have mastered it? If there is the slightest distinction between them (as far as elightenment goes) then you are caught up in duality. In other words you are contradicting yourself.
Wayne said:The difference is in the way they brought the spirit into the planet. Buddha didn't walk around performing miracles or teaching the people about unconditional Love or teaching the principles of preparing the body for the spirit to enter. he spoke of the reality of oneness where Jesus came and by example showed himself as the way to oneness. The distinction is subtle and is only divided by those who wish to identify with their religion.
Religions follow very limited identifications of perception and always put God on the outside as separate from our being and our purpose. Jesus came afer a prophesy oromising liberation. Buddha was the example of self discipline and the desire to know what was real. They both played a part that expanded the overall picture so that those who are ready now can see that they were part and parcel to the package of self discipline, desire and fullfillment.
Jalu said:Wayne,
I think you forget you are speaking to a Vajrayana/Dzogchen practitioner.
I am not trying to give you a hard time, but you are mistaken. There are lots of things I can clarify for you, but I'd only do that privately. Where do you think Jesus got the concept of Ahimsa from? Where do you think the concept of the absolute found in the Upanishads (some composed at the time of the Buddha and others after his parinirvana) came from? What do you think a Bodhisattva is?
I don't consider myself a religious person, nor do I see Buddhadharma as a religion (some do and if you do that's ok too).
Buddhadharma is like a raft that one uses to get to the other side. Once there it is no longer needed.
Wayne said:It may seem that we might be on a different path but I will meet you "there". There are Five novitiate that the Ishaya/Ascension teaches they are:
brahmacharya - Self Restrain
Aparigraha - non-grasping
ahimsa - non violence
satya - non stealing
asteya - Truthfulness
I see a similarity of the question you posted to what I am learning also Buddhadharma is like a raft to you would mean the same as the Ascension Attitude that I use to get there and once there we drop it. The goal is the Absolute.
-Wayne