Who Do You Think Are The Best Martial Artists Today?

ORANGATUANG

Wildfire
Hell i aint no angel either i was into bad things in my past..But thats just it my past. I call it whacky-tobaccy..Didnt do a thing for me.Iam now just looking for the future.
 

tora

Funmaker
I mean sometimes I act like I'm smoking something,so what if people point it out,I'm not gonna deny that.If you think so,well,keep on thinking,it's none of my business and none of theirs either.
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
misunderstanding the new members - it's discrimination I say! lol :=))

hey Heather come on - all Zagon was saying is that Bruce Lee was more spiritual and in religion than most people know. It was just pointed out that Lee was a great martial artist who benefited from his deep spirituality. I don't know if I agree with that Bruce would easily take on Seagal. I actually would disagree. I don't think so. Bruce Lee was great and so is Steven Seagal. They are different fighters and even if they were forced to fight each other at gun point, neither one of them would do it (unless ofcourse there were threats to their loved ones and what not). You cannot go off by saying Lee would wipe the floor with Seagal as that would not happen. Aikido is a very defensive art, and Bruce Lee would not touch Seagal (although if he did, Steven Seagal would probably not be in his happy mood at all).

It seems like some people here like to jump on the new members' backs for just pointing some things out. I don't think Zagon was insulting anybody. It was just a way to point out that at some point Lotussan was misguided by something that was said.
 

Zagon

Zagon
thanks, Yudansha. I wasnt trying to insult anyone, hence my prefacing those comments with the line "I dont want to disrespect".

People, "you must be smoking some good herbs" is a figure of speech.........i wasnt serious.

"When the opponent expands, I contract. When he contracts, I expand. And when there is opportunity......I don't hit - It hits all by itself." - Bruce Lee

"Not being tense but ready. Not thinking but not dreaming. Not being set but
flexible. Liberation from the uneasy sense of confinement. It is being
wholly and quietly alive, aware and alert, ready for whatever may come."
- Bruce Lee

I fully respect Seagal's aikido, esp. when he was young. But I'm sorry that some on here would let their adoration of him cloud their better judgement in regards to how he would match up against the greatest martial artist to have ever lived.
 

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
Bruce Lee was amazing...still is even after death, but I think we are comparing apples and oranges. IMHO Besides Bruce Lee, Seagal is the only other person to have such charisma on screen. As far as who would take out who...I guess we will never know. Sometime ago I saw or read (sorry... but can't remember) that Lee was impressed with Akido, and was interested in learning it. Maybe someone here knows about it.
 

tora

Funmaker
So do we end up finally that Bruce Lee was great?Is there still any argument?Don't make the guy rise up from the grave :gun: :whazzup:
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Zagon said:
I fully respect Seagal's aikido, esp. when he was young. But I'm sorry that some on here would let their adoration of him cloud their better judgement in regards to how he would match up against the greatest martial artist to have ever lived.

Zagon, I think Seagal Sensei's sheer size would give him a big advantage (upper body strength) advantage against Bruce Lee...
Mr. Seagal's big and fist could have slammed down hard on the top of Lee's head, and probably rendered him unconcious very quickly...
Also Sensei's hands are very fast, I think Mr. Lee would have had a very hard time even getting in a good blow because SS is so big...
If Steven grabbed him and squeezed him, well, it would be like a big bear breaking a twig...
Steven is a very powerful fighter, I have no doubt...
I don't know what bearing size has in a real fight, but it must mean something...
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
As I understand it, size can be a disadvantage if the defender has the skill to use the size of the opponent against him.

I think, however, that whoever upstream had a point. There would never be a contest between Bruce Lee and Steven Seagal because the philosophy (as I understand it) is that you know your art well enough not to have to use it, and certainly never for attack. It just simply wouldn't happen, so the point is actually moot.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Well, that's true, it wouldn't happen because it literally can't and because two
martial artists who respect one another would probably never challenge one other out of sheer respect...
At least that is what I have heard people here say, and it makes sense, you are supposed to learn respect and honor as a martial artist...
I guess that is why Steven won't compete even if he is challenged, that would be showing off, probably not very honorable thing to do....
 

tora

Funmaker
Well,but I should argue with you,Lotus.
Seagal used to be cocky in his younger years and used to make many challenges as he had a tremendous belief in himself.
But I should tell you that in Martial Arts has never been a pirvate concern.Even in aikido,it doesn't matter how big you are or how small and skinny you are,whether you're a man or a woman,but if you learn to apply techniques correctly then you'll even be able to defeat a bigger opponent.So in case with Bruce Lee,just because he was small it doesn't mean he could oppose bigger adversaries.He had an incredible power from what I heard and read.As I said it before,he could slightly push you with his fingers and you'd be flying backwards 5 meters away from him.If you learn how to concentrate energy within you,even if you're small you'll be strong enough to oppose the bigger ones.
But martial arts are all about respect,not about cockyness.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Zagon said:
^^in my last post, for some reason i thought the thread was about on-screen martial artists...I'm sure there are a ton of great fighters out there who dont act, who could take out alot of the famous cats...

and Lotussan....sorry, but you must be smoking some good sh*t. I know I just came on this board, and I def. dont want to disrespect anybody,...so with all due respect - you really dont know what you're talking about.

You admitted that you haven't even really seen Bruce Lee - you think Seagal has more passion about his art than Lee, which is ludicrous beyond belief.

Bruce Lee was on a spiritual level unmatched by anyone (save maybe Bob Marley) I've seen to this day...a unique spark in the history of humanity...

You're wildly imaginative supposition was backwards...Bruce Lee @ 50 would wipe the floor with Seagal @ 30. If you really do appreciate Seagal's spiritual side, you should look into Bruce Lee's writings and philosophy.

Littledragon869 seems to know what's up.... ;)

anyways, nothing personal, just givin' my .02.

Yup. But even though I had my own opinions the other lovely fans renided me that humility is key in MARTIAL ARTS therefore we somply can not compare TWO GREAT MASTERS from two totally different styles
 

Kani

New Member
My all time favorite is Steven Seagal but I also respect the talent of Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Bill Wallace, Jet Li and Jackie Chan although Chan's movies are a little bit too silly for my taste.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Kani said:
My all time favorite is Steven Seagal but I also respect the talent of Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Bill Wallace, Jet Li and Jackie Chan although Chan's movies are a little bit too silly for my taste.


Have u seen when Jackie fights Urquidez?? Now that proves Jackie as one of the best fighters.
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
FYI: Bruce Lee the legend continues ...

Jackie Chan is amazing, there's no doubt about it. He and Chuck Norris along with Jet Li all trained at some point with the great legend.
Bruce Lee: he was approximately 70kg (about 155lbs.) and was seen by various witnesses to be able to pick up a 35kg (77lbs.) dumbbell in each hand, raise the arms to his shoulder height, and hold the weights for over 30 seconds. No other man (bodybuilder or not) could ever achieve such strength of ratios in weight lifting to body mass as Bruce Lee has. Bruce Lee, as part of his routine did push ups and was as much into bodybuilding as he was into karate (he started with wing chun kung fu, but wanted to acquire more energy and took up weight lifting by the influence of mucle structure that the body builders of the time had - Schwarzenegger was unknown to most in those times, 70s). Anyways, the push ups that Bruce Lee did were one handed. And get this: he did them on one finger. That's the strength you can only imagine. I tried and well, basically I am used to just one handed push ups, so this time my face was imprinted in the carpet.

And as Tora has said, it is no joke that Bruce Lee could concentrate all his power into a short distance, and just by being an inch or two away from you he would be able to make an impact that would send a man (or a woman) weighing over 100kg (220lbs.) to a distance 4-5 meters (about 12-15 feet) away.

That's only his upper body strength. Now his leg work was just as amazing, as he was able to advance a collision on a 120kg (264lbs.) suit case and make it airborne up to 3 meters into the air. And, talk about speed and fast movements: Bruce holds a record for being able to cover a meter of an empty space faster than anybody else in two hundredth of a second (0.02s). Even in Formula1 racing that's considered to be a relatively small difference in time lapse.

That's just some (... some ...) info on Bruce Lee's capabilities. So, don't go comparing him to Steven Seagal who is also very capable. The matter of the fact is, there would never be a match because neither Donald Trump nor Bill Gates or both of them together would ever have or be able to raise enough money for such an event to take place (even if Bruce was still alive).
 

tora

Funmaker
Yeah right,comparing Bruce Lee and Steven Seagal is nearly the same as comparing Donald and Mickey Mouse.
 

Gary Gabelhouse

New Member
Lee vs. Seagal

Hello All,

Not wishing to cause heartburn, but neither Lee nor Seagal are GREAT fighters. Bruce Lee was regularly beat up when he visited Chinatown. Also, he refused numerous challenges. At the seminar/tournament in Long Beach, where he demonstrated his one-inch punch, my teacher and Mike Stone (one very GREAT fighter) were in the audience. After seeing Bruce Lee demonstrate, they challenged Lee to a no-holds barred fight. Lee deferred.

As to our hero, Steven Seagal, while shooting Under Siege, he challenged anyone to successfully apply a lock, bar or choke on him. He was choked out by a 65 year old stunt coordinator named Gene Labell--known in his younger years as Judo Gene Labell (first U.S. National Judo Champion). Seagal, after being choked out, soiled himself and wardrobe was called. Seagal sued Labell and dropped the suit on the condition that Labell could not talk about the incident. Bob Wall (a friend of Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris--was in Enter the Dragon with them) told me personally of the incident--having been on the set at the time, working with the fight coordinator.

Also, Seagal alledgedly was acting rude and cocky in a club in New York City. He challenged "any and all" to take him on. Dan Inosanto (sp?) a mixed martial artist of some achievement, knocked Seagal out with the only punch thrown.

All this said, fighting is for babies and fools . . . imo.

Best Regards,
Gary Gabelhouse
 

tora

Funmaker
I'm curious...where the sources are coming from...Umm...Hey folks,we seem to be totally ignorant of the truth!
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Gary Gabelhouse said:
Hello All,

Not wishing to cause heartburn, but neither Lee nor Seagal are GREAT fighters. Bruce Lee was regularly beat up when he visited Chinatown. Also, he refused numerous challenges. At the seminar/tournament in Long Beach, where he demonstrated his one-inch punch, my teacher and Mike Stone (one very GREAT fighter) were in the audience. After seeing Bruce Lee demonstrate, they challenged Lee to a no-holds barred fight. Lee deferred.

As to our hero, Steven Seagal, while shooting Under Siege, he challenged anyone to successfully apply a lock, bar or choke on him. He was choked out by a 65 year old stunt coordinator named Gene Labell--known in his younger years as Judo Gene Labell (first U.S. National Judo Champion). Seagal, after being choked out, soiled himself and wardrobe was called. Seagal sued Labell and dropped the suit on the condition that Labell could not talk about the incident. Bob Wall (a friend of Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris--was in Enter the Dragon with them) told me personally of the incident--having been on the set at the time, working with the fight coordinator.

Also, Seagal alledgedly was acting rude and cocky in a club in New York City. He challenged "any and all" to take him on. Dan Inosanto (sp?) a mixed martial artist of some achievement, knocked Seagal out with the only punch thrown.

All this said, fighting is for babies and fools . . . imo.

Best Regards,
Gary Gabelhouse


U r totally wrong thats all I wil say
 

Disciple

come get some
The chokehold/soiling himself story is utter garbage. It's one of those rumours created by some fool who wanted to throw a cheap jab at Sensei. And because this is the internet, it profilerated like an old Chinese Whisper.

And Bruce Lee could kick all their backsides if it came down to it.

Sorry to burst any bubbles and all... :D
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Disciple said:
The chokehold/soiling himself story is utter garbage. It's one of those rumours created by some fool who wanted to throw a cheap jab at Sensei. And because this is the internet, it profilerated like an old Chinese Whisper.

And Bruce Lee could kick all their backsides if it came down to it.

Sorry to burst any bubbles and all... :D

I totally agree. I wonder why Bob Wall stated that, he was the one who challenged Seagal to a fight in the 1990 issue of Black Belt magaizine.
 
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