Witnesses for Gotti say Seagal is a liar

suziwong

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Haylen

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Originally posted by Mama san
Suzi, my little friend,
Yes, they are very bad people! They think no more about killing a person than you would at stepping on a bug! They are some of the most dangerous and evil people in the world! The only "person" I can think of, to compare them with, would be Saddam Hussein.
As for that waiter that testified, what did they think he would say? He doesn't want to end up being food for the fishes!
If the jury finds these "men" not guilty or they aquit them, then there is no justice anywhere!
God bless,
Mama san

I found this subject interesting mainly because it deals with mafia related issues and I have worked for the FBI for 22 years and been involved in over 200 mob related cases.
However I find your comment to be of such a strong stereotypical basis it is almost a joke.
Aside from what you see on TV the mafia is far from a bunch of well dressed heartless gang members. Their business is for the most part of a legal professional nature and the very small percent of business related killings are made on a single person who has for whatever reason wronged them, not to promote killing but it is no different in theory to letting go of a worker who some how has a negative impact on your business.
Furthermore many of these men and women invest great amounts of time and money to help poor families, to help educate children of their neighborhood, and to upkeep their surroundings.

So I am sorry to say but your comparison to a dictator who has people suffer just for his own gain is very off base and deeply rooted in assumption.

This is in no way a personal attack as I don't know any of you, but to see people who from my understanding have no more facts or basis for a comment other then fan worship to make such strong comments is very sad.
Being a fan of Steven Seagal for some years now I had hoped to find a level of open minded thinking here, but by reading over some posts I've found no such thing.

The best to your forum.
 

Mama San

Administrator
Hayden,
I find it very difficult to understand how an (FBI agent?) could ever
"speak up" for the mob!
Just because they come out in 3 piece business suits calling themselves "honest businessmen", doesn't mean they are any less dishonest and dangerous. Besides, at 63, I've heard all this bull before! I see no difference in these "people" now than they were 30 years ago!

Oh! MY! They invest much time and money to help the poor?
Dirty money is still dirty money. If you lay down with dogs chances are you'll get up with fleas! I think you know what I mean!

If it is your wish to patronize these "people", that is your affair
and completely up to you. But I must tell you that it really angers
me that I happen to be one of those tax payers that pays your salary, if indeed you do work for the FBI!!

Just look at the "Teflon Don", John Gotti! He was very generous to many people and gave much to the poor but that doesn't change the fact that he ordered many killings. He was about as evil as they come. Your "friendly neighbor hood businessman"? With the emphasis on "hood"!

Tell me, just what did you expect when you signed on here?
This is a STEVEN SEAGAL web site! We will defend him regardless
of anything you might have to say!
Defend Gotti and the rest of his crew? NO way!!!!!!!!

Stay if you wish and welcome but please don't ask us to try to "understand" these warped minded people!
God bless,
Mama san
 

suziwong

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Staff member
Originally posted by Mama san
Hayden,
I find it very difficult to understand how an (FBI agent?) could ever
"speak up" for the mob!
Just because they come out in 3 piece business suits calling themselves "honest businessmen", doesn't mean they are any less dishonest and dangerous. Besides, at 63, I've heard all this bull before! I see no difference in these "people" now than they were 30 years ago!

Oh! MY! They invest much time and money to help the poor?
Dirty money is still dirty money. If you lay down with dogs chances are you'll get up with fleas! I think you know what I mean!

If it is your wish to patronize these "people", that is your affair
and completely up to you. But I must tell you that it really angers
me that I happen to be one of those tax payers that pays your salary, if indeed you do work for the FBI!!

Just look at the "Teflon Don", John Gotti! He was very generous to many people and gave much to the poor but that doesn't change the fact that he ordered many killings. He was about as evil as they come. Your "friendly neighbor hood businessman"? With the emphasis on "hood"!

Tell me, just what did you expect when you signed on here?
This is a STEVEN SEAGAL web site! We will defend him regardless
of anything you might have to say!
Defend Gotti and the rest of his crew? NO way!!!!!!!!

Stay if you wish and welcome but please don't ask us to try to "understand" these warped minded people!
God bless,
Mama san

Casey you are excellent !!! You wrote wonderful !! I am with you !!! Thank you very much !!

"Tell me, just what did you expect when you signed on here?
This is a STEVEN SEAGAL web site! We will defend him regardless
of anything you might have to say!
Defend Gotti and the rest of his crew? NO way!!!!!!!!

Stay if you wish and welcome but please don't ask us to try to "understand" these warped minded people!
"


"We stand beside Steven Seagal all the way!!"

in oneness

suzi
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Hi Haylen,
I see your points, but I also see what is happening to my beloved Sensei, and it is disturbing...I have to have compassion for him, and wouldn't wish this kind of thing on anyone...My mind is open, however...I take it all with a grain of salt...Steven is human, I do know this, and that's why I support and defend him when I feel someone is treating him unfairly...He was obviously threatened in some way by these folks...I try not to pass judgements though...
I simply try to give my opinion...If they have done him wrong, they will eventually get what they deserve...Condemming them is not my job.
 

Baseball Lady

New Member
Mama Casey,

you go girl!! I doubt any true FBI agent would even post to a message board. Let alone a pro-mob stance. I think I see fleas flying;)

BB Lady
 

Haylen

New Member
Originally posted by Mama san
Hayden,
I find it very difficult to understand how an (FBI agent?) could ever
"speak up" for the mob!
Just because they come out in 3 piece business suits calling themselves "honest businessmen", doesn't mean they are any less dishonest and dangerous. Besides, at 63, I've heard all this bull before! I see no difference in these "people" now than they were 30 years ago!

Oh! MY! They invest much time and money to help the poor?
Dirty money is still dirty money. If you lay down with dogs chances are you'll get up with fleas! I think you know what I mean!

If it is your wish to patronize these "people", that is your affair
and completely up to you. But I must tell you that it really angers
me that I happen to be one of those tax payers that pays your salary, if indeed you do work for the FBI!!

Just look at the "Teflon Don", John Gotti! He was very generous to many people and gave much to the poor but that doesn't change the fact that he ordered many killings. He was about as evil as they come. Your "friendly neighbor hood businessman"? With the emphasis on "hood"!

Tell me, just what did you expect when you signed on here?
This is a STEVEN SEAGAL web site! We will defend him regardless
of anything you might have to say!
Defend Gotti and the rest of his crew? NO way!!!!!!!!

Stay if you wish and welcome but please don't ask us to try to "understand" these warped minded people!
God bless,
Mama san
You are more then welcome to your opinion but I fail to see how you being older then myself makes you more educated on matters that I have worked with up close with for over 20 years.
I in no way was pro mafia in my statement, however I find it amazing that you gather opinions from TV media and news papers to make a statement. Yes there are mafia members who define crime, but to make a statement such as you did was very one sided. Let me ask you, how many of them have you spoke to? How many reports and cases have you seen?
And yes I'll agree dirty money is just that, but in the long run would you rather see a young kid lose the chance to go further his/her education just because the money was not made from a 9-5. Or would you like for a family to have hard times when a father gets his job cut.
Money is money, no matter where it comes from. Unlike people it's worth does not fall because of its background.

Also you are welcome to doubt that I am what I say. But I do infact work for the FBI, I sit at a desk 90% of the time and go over files. I'm not looking to make my self look important, infact half the time my job is boring. However I have sat in on a large number of trials where I have learned this simple rule "An opinion is only as good as your knowledge on a subject."

And what did I expect here? I expected people who are fans of Seagal but don't act like he walks on water.
I'm a fan, I watch his films, it ends there. I don't care about his personal life, he is not a friend of mine. I'm not a teen fan who looks up to actors and singers.

My question for you though is this, how can you be so sure that Steven Seagal is this great innocent man you see him as?
Do you know him? Were you there when these events went on?
Sadly you saw my statements as pro crime. I guess that is what comes when a person doesn't agree with you.

So if you took my statement so wrong I'll make it simple. I made an attempt to educate you on a subject where I saw you had some stereotypical statements that I have seen many times.
One of my main tasks in law enforcement is to make sure the facts are heard over the assumptions.

So take this how you want.
 

Haylen

New Member
Originally posted by Baseball Lady
Mama Casey,

you go girl!! I doubt any true FBI agent would even post to a message board. Let alone a pro-mob stance. I think I see fleas flying;)

BB Lady

I'm glad you doubt Gov. workers can have a life. I should be going out on shoot outs and busting bad guys I suppose.

I do a job and go home. I enjoy the internet, I play basketball. I have a life away from my job. So yes I would post on a message board as do millions of others from Gov. workers to house wives.
And show me where I was pro mob. Why because I have exp. and made a statement to clear some things up on a subject?

If this is the welcome you people give (judgment), I think my time is best spent on other subjects.

Enjoy your board.

-H
 

Mama San

Administrator
How do you know where I gather my opinions and/or information from, Heylen?
Members of the mafia are just that, members of the mafia! There
is NOTHING good about the mafia! If you wish to play "good ole' boy" or "defend" these people, that is of course your business,
as I said before! However, it does make me wonder just where you loyalties lie.
I'm sure the Dock Workers would very understanding of your
"words" concerning these people! Now, tell me that the mafia interests in the Docks is nothing more than normal business practices! Yeah! Right!

As for Steven Seagal, no, he does not walk on water. As I remember, that was Jesus Christ! Steven has never claimed to be God, come down to earth in human form.
Steven is an actor, an action movie star! He is 7th dan in Aikido! He is also a great humanitarian! Sorry, but I save my worship for the Trinity but never for a man!

I have no need of you educational abilities! Truth is the greatest asset that man can have but if that truth is corrupted, either by the mafia or FBI agents that see nothing wrong with "some" of the mafia, then that truth is worth nothing!

Do we believe in Steven Seagal here on this web site? Yes, we do! He has no need for us to actually defend him, he's quite capable of doing that for himself. But as his fan base we do stand behind him! That's what fans do, or didn't you know that?

However, there is not one of us here that holds any belief in or pity for members of the mafia!

As I said before, stay if you wish and welcome but please don't ask us to try to "understand" these warped minded people!
God bless,
Mama san
 

Baseball Lady

New Member
Originally posted by Haylen
Their business is for the most part of a legal professional nature and the very small percent of business related killings are made on a single person who has for whatever reason wronged them, not to promote killing but it is no different in theory to letting go of a worker who some how has a negative impact on your business.

Furthermore many of these men and women invest great amounts of time and money to help poor families, to help educate children of their neighborhood, and to upkeep their surroundings.

So I am sorry to say but your comparison to a dictator who has people suffer just for his own gain is very off base and deeply rooted in assumption.

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How can you compare firing or terminating an employee who has a "negative impact" on a business as equal with a "business related killing". I have been in management and have let employees go who were not good for the unit I worked on. It never crossed my mind to kill them. Mob hits are just that, killings. They are no better than Saddam or Ben Laden.

As for the money they give to people, how do you as an FBI agent know that they do this. Do they give it as a part of their statement at the time of arrrest? How many of these people do you know that receive the money with no strings attached. It is very rare to get something for nothing!!

As to the comment I made about an FBI agent posting, I have no doubt that many FBI agents have lives, play sports, and yes hang out on message boards on the web. But after spending some time in various message boards, you learn very quickly to take what you see with a grain of salt. Having several friends in law enforcement, I find it hard to believe that the FBI would condone your opinion that the mob aren't bad, they're just misunderstood.
Or you expressing it on a public web site. If the FBI felt the way you stated that you did, WHY are they spending millions to go after these people each year. It ain't because they are model citizens!!!

No one here who is based in reality thinks that Steven is a saint. We are all human and make mistakes. What you will find here are Seagal fans who are just that -- Seagal fans. We enjoy his movies, music, and humanitarian efforts. Many here also practice aikido or other forms of martial arts.

We welcome new members and have been known to disagree with each other on occasion, but we do remain loyal Seagal fans.

BB Lady
 

Mama San

Administrator
Well said, BB!

"......I think my time is best spent on other subjects...."
You may be right, Haylen!

If you are not a loyal fan of Steven Seagal then, it saddens
me to say, that you may be more "comfortable" somewhere else.
God bless,
Mama san
 

suziwong

Administrator
Staff member
Originally posted by Mama san
Well said, BB!

"......I think my time is best spent on other subjects...."
You may be right, Haylen!

If you are not a loyal fan of Steven Seagal then, it saddens
me to say, that you may be more "comfortable" somewhere else.
God bless,
Mama san

You said it very nice Casey !!

WE SHOULD NOT TOLARATE THESE KIND OF THINGS
Mr/Ms HAYDEN !!!!


in oneness
 

Mama San

Administrator
Originally posted by GlimmerMan
Hahaha... you all take things much too seriously.

G-Man,
How are you? We haven't seen you posting very often. We miss you!

You bet I take the mafia very seriouly! I've seen some of their "handiwork". A lot of it was the killing of their own kind but
killing none the less.

God bless,
Mama san
 

kickingbird

candle lighter
Dang, I get busy for awhile and what's all this?! Verrryyy interesting stuff here. Heylen's response is also interesting. I believe it sufficient to say that most of us on this board are all grown up now and can tell the difference between fact and fantasy. It is a known fact that "some" mob factions do indeed kill people who have crossed them. Or sometimes they just burn their homes. "Some" mob factions are nothing but bullies with money and power. Although "some" mobsters might be "legal" most are not; or did John Gotti not die in prison? Bullies in any form, whatever their connections or employment, are just that: bullies. They are slick con artists who would lie to their own mothers and of course their mothers would believe them! Their greatest asset is misdirection. Misdirection is a very powerful tool. No matter how powerful one thinks one is, misdirection can be the downfall of even the most powerful. In simple terms: anyone can be conned. "Never take what your enemy offers you".

In Oneness and Peace
 

suziwong

Administrator
Staff member
Originally posted by Mama san
How do you know where I gather my opinions and/or information from, Heylen?
Members of the mafia are just that, members of the mafia! There
is NOTHING good about the mafia! If you wish to play "good ole' boy" or "defend" these people, that is of course your business,
as I said before! However, it does make me wonder just where you loyalties lie.
I'm sure the Dock Workers would very understanding of your
"words" concerning these people! Now, tell me that the mafia interests in the Docks is nothing more than normal business practices! Yeah! Right!

As for Steven Seagal, no, he does not walk on water. As I remember, that was Jesus Christ! Steven has never claimed to be God, come down to earth in human form.
Steven is an actor, an action movie star! He is 7th dan in Aikido! He is also a great humanitarian! Sorry, but I save my worship for the Trinity but never for a man!

I have no need of you educational abilities! Truth is the greatest asset that man can have but if that truth is corrupted, either by the mafia or FBI agents that see nothing wrong with "some" of the mafia, then that truth is worth nothing!

Do we believe in Steven Seagal here on this web site? Yes, we do! He has no need for us to actually defend him, he's quite capable of doing that for himself. But as his fan base we do stand behind him! That's what fans do, or didn't you know that?

However, there is not one of us here that holds any belief in or pity for members of the mafia!

As I said before, stay if you wish and welcome but please don't ask us to try to "understand" these warped minded people!
God bless,
Mama san

Thank you Casey !! I am with you !!
 
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