True Justice S2: Blood Alley

NCS

Active Member
Saw Death Riders in Tesco this morning, I don't even keep track of the True Justice releases now, I just see them spring up (like weeds hehe,) in stores or pop up on amazon when I search for new Seagal releases. I won't pick this up, not at £10, plus the four True Justice movies I have from S1 were unutterably boring to me. I genuinely think Seagal should retire, and I mean this in the nicest possible way. We have like ten great movies from his heyday and now he is reduced to making cliched cop shows that are churned out on DVD. The fact that they have split them up makes them look like new movies to the average punter and they likely think, ANOTHER ONE!?!?! It's the same stories, the same character from Seagal who is into swords and acupuncture and Chinese remedies and shit, the same DVD covers, the exact same fights in every episode etc etc. The only thing I am looking slightly forward to is Maximum Conviction. If TE3 gets the greenlight Seagal should lose a bulk of weight and just take any role he is offered in it. At least Lundgren, Van Damme, Stallone etc etc are always doing something slightly different nowadays.
 

Amma

Member
Saw Death Riders in Tesco this morning, I don't even keep track of the True Justice releases now, I just see them spring up (like weeds hehe,) in stores or pop up on amazon when I search for new Seagal releases. I won't pick this up, not at £10, plus the four True Justice movies I have from S1 were unutterably boring to me. I genuinely think Seagal should retire, and I mean this in the nicest possible way. We have like ten great movies from his heyday and now he is reduced to making cliched cop shows that are churned out on DVD. The fact that they have split them up makes them look like new movies to the average punter and they likely think, ANOTHER ONE!?!?! It's the same stories, the same character from Seagal who is into swords and acupuncture and Chinese remedies and shit, the same DVD covers, the exact same fights in every episode etc etc. The only thing I am looking slightly forward to is Maximum Conviction. If TE3 gets the greenlight Seagal should lose a bulk of weight and just take any role he is offered in it. At least Lundgren, Van Damme, Stallone etc etc are always doing something slightly different nowadays.
This is your opinion and I respect your right to it,but I passionately disagree with it.I am not just an average punter,I'm a devoted Steven Seagal fan who looks forward to every new project that he releases,whether it be TV,DTV or music.He has been and still is the best action/adventure actor around,bar none.As I've said before,his weight does not lessen his fighting ability or his screen presence.He is still extremely fast and agile and graceful and a very powerful presence when he enters a scene.I hope he continues working for many more years because his work is a source of great pleasure to me.
 

NCS

Active Member
This is your opinion and I respect your right to it,but I passionately disagree with it.I am not just an average punter,I'm a devoted Steven Seagal fan who looks forward to every new project that he releases,whether it be TV,DTV or music.He has been and still is the best action/adventure actor around,bar none.As I've said before,his weight does not lessen his fighting ability or his screen presence.He is still extremely fast and agile and graceful and a very powerful presence when he enters a scene.I hope he continues working for many more years because his work is a source of great pleasure to me.

Yeah I know you aren't an average punter, neither is anybody here and that's why most here know that these movies are part of a TV series; the general public don't. And as for being the best action actor around, in my opinion that's not quite true. Sure he may still be making action movies but they are no where near good enough quality for him to be classed as the best, maybe back in the day but not now, in order to be the best your movies have to be good.
 

Amma

Member
Yeah I know you aren't an average punter, neither is anybody here and that's why most here know that these movies are part of a TV series; the general public don't. And as for being the best action actor around, in my opinion that's not quite true. Sure he may still be making action movies but they are no where near good enough quality for him to be classed as the best, maybe back in the day but not now, in order to be the best your movies have to be good.
I think that a lot more people are aware of Steven Seagal and his work than you think there are.They may not be on fan sites,but they are still aware of him and what projects he has out,be it his TV shows,movies,etc.Many.many people think his movies and TV series are very good,and buy them because they want to own them.Most people who purchase the True Justice movies realize that they are episodes of the TV series that are put together on a DVD,but they buy them because they want them.As far as action stars go,I have sat here thinking of who is out there making action films at the present time,and I can't think of anyone who is even close to being in Seagal's class.Not one.There are people who share your opinion,but there are A LOT of people who share mine.
 

NCS

Active Member
I think that a lot more people are aware of Steven Seagal and his work than you think there are.They may not be on fan sites,but they are still aware of him and what projects he has out,be it his TV shows,movies,etc.Many.many people think his movies and TV series are very good,and buy them because they want to own them.Most people who purchase the True Justice movies realize that they are episodes of the TV series that are put together on a DVD,but they buy them because they want them.As far as action stars go,I have sat here thinking of who is out there making action films at the present time,and I can't think of anyone who is even close to being in Seagal's class.Not one.There are people who share your opinion,but there are A LOT of people who share mine.

I think you'll find of the mainstream moviegoers at least half don't know Seagal is still making movies. Van Damme recently said that he gets approached in airports and people ask when he is going to make another film and he said, "I think fuck, I've just done three straight to DVDs." So essentially there will be hardly anybody that knows about True Justice as far as general movie fans go. Action fans will likely know, Seagal fans will definately know. To me, Stallone has had one helluva comeback, with Rocky Balboa, Rambo, The Expendables 1&2 and the upcoming The Tomb also promises to be good. Bullet to the Head looks fun too and Stallone seems to be doing a lot of his own fighting in it. So personally I would say RECENTLY Stallone takes the cake for action stars. Unfortunately Seagal can't claim the budget that Arnold and Stallone do and whilst both of those guys have returned to the cinemas lately, Seagal and the rest of the DTV action stars are still stuck there.
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
Yeah I know you aren't an average punter, neither is anybody here and that's why most here know that these movies are part of a TV series; the general public don't. And as for being the best action actor around, in my opinion that's not quite true. Sure he may still be making action movies but they are no where near good enough quality for him to be classed as the best, maybe back in the day but not now, in order to be the best your movies have to be good.

Okay okay ;). I'll bet you've even got family members that you verbally abuse in a derogatory way concerning their physical healths and well being er' that is if they're overweight or got just a pinch of cellulite on their body frames and you can't handle it. What's your EXPERT opinion on how an actor ought to be? Please expound in a wordy manner so I can get the nuts and bolts of what you got against Steven Seagal's appearance. I'm really curious?? Yuh know I got friends and family that are buff, burly, overweight, thin, skinny, suffering from diseases, and more. But I do my best to not insult them. No pun intended nor disrespect intended. Food for thought :cook:
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
I think you'll find of the mainstream moviegoers at least half don't know Seagal is still making movies. Van Damme recently said that he gets approached in airports and people ask when he is going to make another film and he said, "I think fuck, I've just done three straight to DVDs." So essentially there will be hardly anybody that knows about True Justice as far as general movie fans go. Action fans will likely know, Seagal fans will definately know. To me, Stallone has had one helluva comeback, with Rocky Balboa, Rambo, The Expendables 1&2 and the upcoming The Tomb also promises to be good. Bullet to the Head looks fun too and Stallone seems to be doing a lot of his own fighting in it. So personally I would say RECENTLY Stallone takes the cake for action stars. Unfortunately Seagal can't claim the budget that Arnold and Stallone do and whilst both of those guys have returned to the cinemas lately, Seagal and the rest of the DTV action stars are still stuck there.

That's probably because behind the scenes Steven Seagal is paying arny and sly's paychecks LOL :D and Seagal wants it that way and doesn't care to make it know to the general movie goer and public. And Seagal doesn't need to boast about how much money he makes for a living. I may be wrong? But what if I'm right? LOL :cool:
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
Saw Death Riders in Tesco this morning, I don't even keep track of the True Justice releases now, I just see them spring up (like weeds hehe,) in stores or pop up on amazon when I search for new Seagal releases. I won't pick this up, not at £10, plus the four True Justice movies I have from S1 were unutterably boring to me. I genuinely think Seagal should retire, and I mean this in the nicest possible way. We have like ten great movies from his heyday and now he is reduced to making cliched cop shows that are churned out on DVD. The fact that they have split them up makes them look like new movies to the average punter and they likely think, ANOTHER ONE!?!?! It's the same stories, the same character from Seagal who is into swords and acupuncture and Chinese remedies and shit, the same DVD covers, the exact same fights in every episode etc etc. The only thing I am looking slightly forward to is Maximum Conviction. If TE3 gets the greenlight Seagal should lose a bulk of weight and just take any role he is offered in it. At least Lundgren, Van Damme, Stallone etc etc are always doing something slightly different nowadays.

Okay, okay. But Seagal has a confidence that these guys can't even reach in this life time in film. arny and sly teaming up together in a movie together. That's a little far fetched even for them to attract the movie going fan. But they're insecure just as they were in the 1980's by dancing together arm in arm launching their Planet Hollywood LOL. I still prefer Steven Seagal blending reality and fiction to entertain us, and he does it all on his own and comes off more secure in his roles' psychological make up. Steven Seagal created Steamroller Productions all on his own by himself and didn't need the co-ownership of another actor. I find this miraculous and astounding. This is very much like Gary Cooper, John Wayne and Clint Eastwood's careers. All of which stood alone, had their own film production companies, and retained self-confident to their dying days in film history. Now that's a truly successful actor in my eyes.
 

Administrator

Administrator
Staff member
I agree NCS, ever since Seagal released his first batch of DTV releases he lost a lot of fans. You used to see how popular he was as the various sites had a load of members excited about his movie releases such as Exit Wounds. For me The Foreigner was the start of the slide, if i was a regular movie fan and happened to buy The Foreigner, Out Of Reach, Black Dawn, etc, etc i would probably not buy another Seagal movie unless it got great publicity and reviews.

I have not bought a single True Justice DVD here in the UK and certainly don't aim on doing so. It is sad now, but i won't waste my money like i did before when i bought all his movies. I was embarrassed to own some of them, luckily Music Magpie took them off me for pennies.

If he releases a decent movie, i am hopeful for Maximum Conviction then i will buy it. For me we are supporting all these rotten DVD releases by buying them, they will only stop when they make no profits. Maybe then we will see an upturn in quality!
 

Amma

Member
I agree NCS, ever since Seagal released his first batch of DTV releases he lost a lot of fans. You used to see how popular he was as the various sites had a load of members excited about his movie releases such as Exit Wounds. For me The Foreigner was the start of the slide, if i was a regular movie fan and happened to buy The Foreigner, Out Of Reach, Black Dawn, etc, etc i would probably not buy another Seagal movie unless it got great publicity and reviews.

I have not bought a single True Justice DVD here in the UK and certainly don't aim on doing so. It is sad now, but i won't waste my money like i did before when i bought all his movies. I was embarrassed to own some of them, luckily Music Magpie took them off me for pennies.

If he releases a decent movie, i am hopeful for Maximum Conviction then i will buy it. For me we are supporting all these rotten DVD releases by buying them, they will only stop when they make no profits. Maybe then we will see an upturn in quality!
As I said before,everyone is entitled to their own opinion.Yours and NCS's are worlds apart from mine.I have bought the True Justice DVDs and ALL of his other DVDs,whether they be DTVs or cinema releases first,and I enjoy all of them.Just because a film gets released in the cinemas does not mean it's a good film.I'd prefer Steven Seagal's DTVs to the majority of big screen releases now a days.As another member pointed out a few months ago,many actors are going DTV now on purpose.As far as Steven Seagal losing fans,don't fool yourself.There are a couple of other sites for SS fans on the internet and they have a load of members,and guess what,None of them have negative things to say about Steven Seagal,only good,nice and positive things.To me,that is what you join a person's fan club for.NCS had said in an earlier reply that,in his opinion,Sly was the top action star today and Steven Seagal is "stuck"in DTV mode.Well,in my opinion,comparing Sly to Steven Seagal as an action star,is like comparing a mo-ped(Stallone)to a Harley Davidson(Steven Seagal),there is no comparison.
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
As I said before,everyone is entitled to their own opinion.Yours and NCS's are worlds apart from mine.I have bought the True Justice DVDs and ALL of his other DVDs,whether they be DTVs or cinema releases first,and I enjoy all of them.Just because a film gets released in the cinemas does not mean it's a good film.I'd prefer Steven Seagal's DTVs to the majority of big screen releases now a days.As another member pointed out a few months ago,many actors are going DTV now on purpose.As far as Steven Seagal losing fans,don't fool yourself.There are a couple of other sites for SS fans on the internet and they have a load of members,and guess what,None of them have negative things to say about Steven Seagal,only good,nice and positive things.To me,that is what you join a person's fan club for.NCS had said in an earlier reply that,in his opinion,Sly was the top action star today and Steven Seagal is "stuck"in DTV mode.Well,in my opinion,comparing Sly to Steven Seagal as an action star,is like comparing a mo-ped(Stallone)to a Harley Davidson(Steven Seagal),there is no comparison.

There is a thin line between beeing a fan and beeing obsessed. I'm glad that you like everything Seagal does, but your arguments about Seagals beeing the better action star feels, for me, a bit sliding to obsession. Waving away all critcism is another tendency of obsession. Not saying you are obsessed, but your arguments are not all very realistic.

There have been a few decent dtv's, but a lot (most of them) are of poor quality and even worse acting and action. In the movie business it doesn't matter what the small group of hardcore, die hard fans think. Movies need the general audience to be profitable.

Seagal has several big screen movies that proof that with a big budget, good director and good crew can lift Seagals performance (Machete, EW, US).

In his dtv era there are The Keeper, PW hat were better then the average.
But stuff like AF, KS and sorts made a joke of Seagal which damaged his changes in Hollywood. His physique and beeing a producer of these movies certainly don't help.

And Saying Stallone is a mo-ped and Seagal a harley? I think there will be few that agree with such a comparision.

Seagals attention is to scattered, he does too much. Focus on one thing for a while and put in all your effort. Then he might have a change on getting a part in a big project.

Peace
 

Amma

Member
There is a thin line between beeing a fan and beeing obsessed. I'm glad that you like everything Seagal does, but your arguments about Seagals beeing the better action star feels, for me, a bit sliding to obsession. Waving away all critcism is another tendency of obsession. Not saying you are obsessed, but your arguments are not all very realistic.

There have been a few decent dtv's, but a lot (most of them) are of poor quality and even worse acting and action. In the movie business it doesn't matter what the small group of hardcore, die hard fans think. Movies need the general audience to be profitable.

Seagal has several big screen movies that proof that with a big budget, good director and good crew can lift Seagals performance (Machete, EW, US).

In his dtv era there are The Keeper, PW hat were better then the average.
But stuff like AF, KS and sorts made a joke of Seagal which damaged his changes in Hollywood. His physique and beeing a producer of these movies certainly don't help.

And Saying Stallone is a mo-ped and Seagal a harley? I think there will be few that agree with such a comparision.

Seagals attention is to scattered, he does too much. Focus on one thing for a while and put in all your effort. Then he might have a change on getting a part in a big project.

Peace
Thank you for your view on the matter,but let me assure you that the only things that I'm obsessed with are my two grandchildren.As far as my opinions and comments on Steven Seagal,I know what I like and I like Steven Seagal.His movies,Big screen and DTVs all give me what I look for in a SS film and I enjoy them all.Of course,there are some that I like better than others,that's only normal,but,I do like all of them.There are many who would disagree with my comparison of Sylvester Stallone& Steven Seagal,but there are also MANY who would agree with me.That is the way of human nature,we're all different(Thank God).My biggest point,I guess,is that on the other Steven Seagal fan sites that I participate in,No one posts negative or derogatory remarks,because they are Steven Seagal FANS and have positive and kind things to say about Steven Seagal and about each other.On this site,it seems that 3/4 of the posts are negative and of a criticizing nature,which I can not understand.Why would you have a Steven Seagal fan site,or join a Steven Seagal fan site and spend the whole time ripping him apart?That is why this is my last post.Thank you for letting me participate in your forums for a few short months,but I don't think this is the site for me,and I don't think many of you will be sorry to see me go.Best regards anyway-Amma
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
Of course we are sorry to see you go, all of us.

It is that we are all different and have different opinions what makes this forum fun.

We need the devoted people like you and Donald to Seagals every move. Discussions as in this thread are a good thing. Sharing opinions, ideas and views is what it is all about.

If we would al feel, think and speak/write the same things it would be boring. We are all fans and some of us may criticise Seagal from time to time, but thats only because we want him to improve and return to the main stage. Because we know he can, he's been there and could get there again. But to do that he needs to change his ways, think out of the box.

So, don't leave and keep posting.

Peace
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
I agree NCS, ever since Seagal released his first batch of DTV releases he lost a lot of fans. You used to see how popular he was as the various sites had a load of members excited about his movie releases such as Exit Wounds. For me The Foreigner was the start of the slide, if i was a regular movie fan and happened to buy The Foreigner, Out Of Reach, Black Dawn, etc, etc i would probably not buy another Seagal movie unless it got great publicity and reviews.

I have not bought a single True Justice DVD here in the UK and certainly don't aim on doing so. It is sad now, but i won't waste my money like i did before when i bought all his movies. I was embarrassed to own some of them, luckily Music Magpie took them off me for pennies.

If he releases a decent movie, i am hopeful for Maximum Conviction then i will buy it. For me we are supporting all these rotten DVD releases by buying them, they will only stop when they make no profits. Maybe then we will see an upturn in quality!

Spoken like a true admin.
 

JoshStern

Active Member
Thank you for your view on the matter,but let me assure you that the only things that I'm obsessed with are my two grandchildren.As far as my opinions and comments on Steven Seagal,I know what I like and I like Steven Seagal.His movies,Big screen and DTVs all give me what I look for in a SS film and I enjoy them all.Of course,there are some that I like better than others,that's only normal,but,I do like all of them.There are many who would disagree with my comparison of Sylvester Stallone& Steven Seagal,but there are also MANY who would agree with me.That is the way of human nature,we're all different(Thank God).My biggest point,I guess,is that on the other Steven Seagal fan sites that I participate in,No one posts negative or derogatory remarks,because they are Steven Seagal FANS and have positive and kind things to say about Steven Seagal and about each other.On this site,it seems that 3/4 of the posts are negative and of a criticizing nature,which I can not understand.Why would you have a Steven Seagal fan site,or join a Steven Seagal fan site and spend the whole time ripping him apart?That is why this is my last post.Thank you for letting me participate in your forums for a few short months,but I don't think this is the site for me,and I don't think many of you will be sorry to see me go.Best regards anyway-Amma

Which other Steven Seagal fans sites ?? I have seen some fan sites, but since you can participate then there must be forums connected to those sites, and those I havent seen.
 

NCS

Active Member
Kotegashi has a very balanced opinion and is realistic. Having an opinion and giving constructive criticism is not ripping on Seagal. I just wish he'd lose some weight, take on a great script, do all his own fights and dubbing, stay out of the editing room, keep his ego under control and surprise us. It's been 11 years soon since he hit DTV, that's over a decade. So many movies made in that time and I have enjoyed a nice stack of them but others just left me cold and I'm sure that with movies like Attack Force he lost a bunch of fans. It's important for him to do something new, he surprised people in Machete, I'd rather have decent supporting roles than lukewarm starring roles.
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
Kotegashi has a very balanced opinion and is realistic. Having an opinion and giving constructive criticism is not ripping on Seagal. I just wish he'd lose some weight, take on a great script, do all his own fights and dubbing, stay out of the editing room, keep his ego under control and surprise us. It's been 11 years soon since he hit DTV, that's over a decade. So many movies made in that time and I have enjoyed a nice stack of them but others just left me cold and I'm sure that with movies like Attack Force he lost a bunch of fans. It's important for him to do something new, he surprised people in Machete, I'd rather have decent supporting roles than lukewarm starring roles.

NCS,
I do believe u'r talking out of u'r as! But that's my opinion :confused:. Seagal movies and appearance are more successful than ever.
 
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