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TDWoj

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Storm said:
Well even his most ardent admirer would have to say a weight loss would stick two fingers up at his critics and make him look a lot better in his movies.

The trouble is, that won't stop them whingeing on about something else. He's in a no-win situation as far as the critics are concerned. He can do no good, no matter what.

-TD, flipping the bird at the critics
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
LOL@TD...
There is no pleasing the critics...
He should only lose weight if he deems it important...
He knows if it affects his performance or not...
If I were him, I wouldn't do a thing to make those idiots happy, and it wouldn't anyway...
They are just jealous of him...
I see that many people are...
They can't stand that he got where he got the hard way...
 
TDWoj said:
This Joshua dude is living in a fool's paradise. When are these guys ever going to learn that you can't go back, you can only go forward? Steven's not 36 years old any more. The fact he's continuing to make movies at all is a testament to his tenacity, even if they are stv films. I mean, what has Chuck Norris done lately except plug his exercise machine on informercials? And even stv clearly has an audience, or else why make the film at all?

Also, Joshua's clearly got his hot and bothered hormones in overdrive for Kelly but he's going to have to live with the disappointment - as if Kelly would ever be caught dead on screen with Steven ever again. I guess he hasn't heard Steven and Kelly are divorced?

While I do agree about the wire-work and to some extent rappers - Steven's style is best suited to reality-based fighting, and the rappers are mostly a distraction, especially those who can't really act (except Kurupt - I like him, don't ask me why) - as long as Steven does his own fighting, they can use all the stunt doubles they want for falling out of windows, crashing in cars, whatever.

It would also help if this Joshua and others like him actually researched their material, and not rely on some off-the-cuff remark made by a nimnul like Tom Arnold. Steven hurt his knee filming the first wire-work stunt (the car thieves scene). They had rehearsed him doing two other wire-work stunts (ref: "making of" on the dvd), but couldn't shoot them when the time came because of his injury (you can actually see Steven limping through parts of the film. And there are shots of the rehearsals for the jumping over the car scene with Steven in the wires).

And for goodness' sake, enough about the weight already. It's been done to death by myriad others, and all the bleating about it by this guy and other critics and fans and whoever else has got an axe to grind obviously hasn't had the least effect on the man himself. If Steven's still got the moves, weight and all (and judging from the OFAK trailer, he does) then I say let him go forth and kick ass in full pudge mode. Maybe if everyone stopped griping about his weight, he might be inclined to do something about it.

-TD, exasperated
lol you have a good tact at saying what we all think, but get it across in the most structured sentances ^_^...
Remind me never to get on your bad side, you'll probably break me bones quicker than Big Stevie :D
So when are you going to go to the magazines and write for the fans? ^_^
 

mandypuss

New Member
I love you Steven. Weight weight weight. I bet if he weighed 150 pounds & looked like a weed people would be booming him up. For some odd reason the more bones that show through the more praise you get. Have you seen Lara Flynn Boyle lately. Personally I love the way he looks in Exit Wounds and Glimmer Man. Maybe its cause I like my men tall and well built.. He is heading towards his mid '50's too & unless like Michael Douglas(who now looks like a stunned mullet...the fish, not the hairdo) and his ilk who have just as much plastic surgery as their wives, Steven will age naturally and that means he will look older just like me and you. Can you imagine the bear hug he would give you....forgive me as I drift away happily into lala land..
luv & peace
Mandy
 
If he ever does US3 I hope he gets down to at least where he was in Fire Down Below..I think that would be a good weight for a new US3 movie but then he said that he would put on a little weight to play Khan(I hope he was kidding there). We might get him and the horse mixed up..(just joking)..
 

MMCK2

New Member
Nassau Mike said:
If he ever does US3 I hope he gets down to at least where he was in Fire Down Below..I think that would be a good weight for a new US3 movie but then he said that he would put on a little weight to play Khan(I hope he was kidding there). We might get him and the horse mixed up..(just joking)..

No offence Mike but I did'nt think he was in that great shape in "Fire Down Below". The fight scenes in that one sucked, at least to me, mainly because of his size and the poor direction. To me, he would be doing well if he got himself down to build he was in either "On Deadly Ground" or "Exit Wounds" -: Well built but still capable of moving well during the action.

Also, another "Under Siege" outing would be cool, and I would much rather see this than the long rumoured "Genghis Khan" biopic he talked about making. Another "Under Siege" would give him one last shot at making a movie with mass appeal, but the Khan biopic I think would never be taken seriously, no matter how good the movie was, and alienate him even more from audiences, ultimately leaving him with even fewer options of theatrical film releases.

Peace.

MMCK2
 

TDWoj

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Staff member
Sleeping Fox said:
lol you have a good tact at saying what we all think, but get it across in the most structured sentances ^_^...

Why, thank you, Fox. This is what happens when my busy little mind goes into overdrive. I think coherently! And in structured sentences, no less! <grin>

Actually, I talk the same way as I write. Frightening, isn't it?

Sleeping Fox said:
Remind me never to get on your bad side, you'll probably break me bones quicker than Big Stevie :D

What, l'il itty bitty me? <evil grin>

Come to think of it, I have been known to slay with words. They are, after all, my weapon of choice, the pen, as they say, being mightier than the sword.

<heh heh heh>

Sleeping Fox said:
So when are you going to go to the magazines and write for the fans? ^_^

Magazines? Which magazines? Do they pay money?

-TD, always on the lookout for income
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Mandy the idea of finally getting that big bear hug keeps me going from day to day...
And knowing that if I got it wow, what a pleasure, because I know he is probably a little bit reserved...
Ah, what a sweeeeeeet thought...
More man for me to love, and I do dearly love that big hunk o' man....;)
 

GlimmerMan

Huge Member
It appears to me that the author of the article is as big a fan as some of us are, but he is simply pointing out a couple of things that his less blinkered fans already know - he needs to lose a bit of weight and start making cool movies again. Think about it - would Seagal ever be seen wearing a green vest like the one he wore in Under Siege in his current condition?! Of course he wouldn't. No - if he ever does get round to doing Under Siege 3, he will probably wear a weightlifters belt and a long, flowing leather jacket over a colourful tailor made shirt.
 
MMCK2 said:
No offence Mike but I did'nt think he was in that great shape in "Fire Down Below". The fight scenes in that one sucked, at least to me, mainly because of his size and the poor direction. To me, he would be doing well if he got himself down to build he was in either "On Deadly Ground" or "Exit Wounds" -: Well built but still capable of moving well during the action.

Also, another "Under Siege" outing would be cool, and I would much rather see this than the long rumoured "Genghis Khan" biopic he talked about making. Another "Under Siege" would give him one last shot at making a movie with mass appeal, but the Khan biopic I think would never be taken seriously, no matter how good the movie was, and alienate him even more from audiences, ultimately leaving him with even fewer options of theatrical film releases.

Peace.

MMCK2

I agree with you about making Under Siege instead of or before Khan..I got a feeling that him doing a movie about Ghenghis Khan will turn out to be a big bust..I'd go to see it of course and i think it could be made good with a lot of action and violence but the whole period piece thing would be to much of a drastic move for Seagal and the critics would eat him alive no matter how well it was done..
I thought that Seagal was a little slimmer in Fire Down Below than he was in Exit Wounds(especially in his face and chin area)..I think he could pass in another Under Siege with the same weight of EW though.. I thought he was his biggest in Glimmer Man and that was right after the whole Kelly Lebrock episode..I think he was going through a little depression at the time and might have eaten a little more than normal because of it..
 

TDWoj

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Staff member
GlimmerMan said:
It appears to me that the author of the article is as big a fan as some of us are, but he is simply pointing out a couple of things that his less blinkered fans already know - he needs to lose a bit of weight and start making cool movies again. Think about it - would Seagal ever be seen wearing a green vest like the one he wore in Under Siege in his current condition?! Of course he wouldn't. No - if he ever does get round to doing Under Siege 3, he will probably wear a weightlifters belt and a long, flowing leather jacket over a colourful tailor made shirt.

Or that suit he wore in Under Seige 2, that never got torn or a speck of dust on it despite his clambering about on the outside of a moving train more than half a dozen times.

If the author of the article had said anything new on the subject, I might be inclined to take his comments under more consideration. But, in fact, all he was doing was regurgitating a zillion other articles which have said much the same thing. And his true colours where shown in his yearning for Kelly LeBrock - he wants the clock to have stopped in 1990.

So the question is, who is the less blinkered fan - the one who wants things to be the way they were, or the fan who accepts things the way they are? Is the true fan the one who spews forth "bring back the good old days! Let's see him exactly as he was in Out For Justice, even though he's 52 years old now compared to 39 years old then!" Is the blinkered fan the one who accepts that time has marched on, that Steven isn't ever again going to be the svelte ass-kicking superhero of Above the Law, and doesn't expect him to be? But, who would still like to see him do his own fight scenes nonetheless, regardless of age or condition?

While I've got my own reasons for wanting to see him in a sleeveless t-shirt again (I am one of those awful girl fans, remember? Pardon me for a moment, I'm having a fit of the vapours. <fans self vigorously>), I've had to accept that this is likely never going to happen. I'm just grateful he's making any movies at all. So does that make me a true un-blinkered fan or a blinkered fan?

And about his weight (ye gods, not again): I spent an interesting couple of hours last night reading numerous reviews of Exit Wounds. It was most illuminating. I'm not surprised he didn't keep his weight down in subsequent movies. Nearly every single review I came across in last night's batch (about 40+) slammed him for how much he weighed in Exit Wounds, even though he had clearly lost weight and was as much in "fighting trim" as he had been in Under Seige/US2 and given the fact he was 49 years old when he made the film. (He was in fact starting to get paunchy even in Under Seige, in case anyone hadn't noticed.) One article even suggested he was something like 20 stone (that's 280 pounds for you who are not British) in EW (which kind of made me wonder if they'd even seen the movie, but that's the subject of another thread for another day).

The point is, he had lost weight, as fan-boy critic Joshua of the foregoing article and as the plethora of the unblinkered fans and other critics demanded. He was in much better shape than he had been for a long time. And STILL the critics fried him for his weight. Was it because he was maybe 10 or 15 pounds shy of perfection? Perhaps. But mostly, I think it was because they were indignant that he did exactly what the critics and his fans wanted him to do - to lose weight - and instead of being grateful that he did lose weight, they attacked him *because* he lost weight (and some of the movie critics were, in fact, his fans).

Damned if he does; and damned if he doesn't.

Except that he does obviously care about his appearance on-screen, since he goes to such ridiculous lengths to conceal what can't be concealed. If he weren't so self-conscious about it, I'm certain we'd see more of him doing his thing himself. And if he hadn't been so self-conscious about his weight, if he had adopted an "I don't care what they think, I'm still going to do my own fighting" attitude, I think the critics, who would likely still have grumbled about his weight, wouldn't have faulted him for it as much if he'd brought them the goods his ownself.

So we come back to the fan that wants Steven to be 39 years old forever, versus the fan that just wants to see him in action, regardless. Would he be better if he lost weight? Maybe. Would it make any difference to the critics here and now if he did? Based on what I read last night, none whatever.

My plea, as a fan (female, 'tis true, but also an action hero fan) would be to say, "Steven, get over it. Stop hiding behind filing cabinets and in well-tailored jackets. Just do the work." And after he surprises everyone by doing just that, maybe, just maybe, the critics and the fans will get what they want.
 

Storm

Smile dammit!
Good post. He isn't getting any younger so he may tire of it and quit. It's still a well paid job though.
 
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