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Lotussan · Dec 1, 2003

TD, I think your problem is you forget that Steven Seagal is human...He is a man...He feel emotions like anyone, he feels fear...When he is cut he bleeds like everyone else (these are his words...) He feel pain like anyone else...In fact I believe from what I know of him, that he is a very sensitive man, probably more sensitive than most individuals...I am the same way, so I have a bit of insight here...Him being rich, famous, or a movie star doesn't make him infallable, it doesn't mean he is bulletproof, and it does not mean he can't be hurt or killed...It must be hell trying to live your life in fear...Before the mafia thing I am sure he had no privacy and had some security issues, but now I am sure he has to watch his back at all times, that is nothing to make light of, I know I'd be worried...I think that his main concern is not himself at all, I think he fears for the safety of his family...Think of it, what would they do without him? I personally don;t believe this story...Because even I know that the mafia would probably have known where he was when he was there filming...This girl didn't even identify herself...We don't know either way...But I just don't think you should forget that he's a man...If he wasn't concerned then he wouldn't be very smart now would he? I don't fault him...I want him to be safe always because I care so much about him...I wish these threats and worries would just go away...We don't need to add to it by saying such harsh things about him...I agree with Casey I think he is brave and I admire that, but I don't envy him...Is it wrong that we have some compassion and concern in our hearts, TD? I don't think it is...I have all the feeling in the world for Steven and it's because he's a very special man...He is very human indeed, that's why I love him so...

TD, all I want to know is what would you have him do? What if it was you? Put yourself in his place and think about it...

Disciple · Dec 1, 2003

If you buy that little story, I've got a very large horizontal structure to sell you.

For starters, do you realize how much money it would cost to hire out entire floors of Sheratons and maintain that many bodyguards? and do you know how much Sensei is earning these days with his straight to video movies?

Gimme a break.

Jalu · Dec 1, 2003

All I wanna know is...
Is it illegal to chew gum in Thailand???

TDWoj · Dec 1, 2003

Disciple said:
If you buy that little story, I've got a very large horizontal structure to sell you.

For starters, do you realize how much money it would cost to hire out entire floors of Sheratons and maintain that many bodyguards? and do you know how much Sensei is earning these days with his straight to video movies?

Gimme a break.

Well, his profligate spending has been remarked upon from time to time, so I didn't have any problem believing he'd rented out the whole floor of a hotel. He'd pretty much have to, with the retinue he's got. And, don't forget, this is Thailand. I doubt rates in a Sheraton in Thailand are going to be quite as much as one in New York.

I did, by the way, qualify my first comment on the subject. It's upstream a short way, if you care to have a look.

-TD, more tired than usual this evening and with not much energy for friendly banter

Lotussan · Dec 1, 2003

Jalu? I don't get it about the gum...
I guess I am tired too, TD...
But whatever Steven does or has, is strictly his business...
I just wish that I could be doing things riight along with him, that's all...

TDWoj · Dec 1, 2003

Lotussan said:
TD, all I want to know is what would you have him do? What if it was you? Put yourself in his place and think about it...

I wouldn't lie, or try to commit an illegal act to avoid doing something I had a responsibility to do. I wouldn't put my own safety and comfort first and leave my six children to fend for themselves. I would do the right thing, even at the expense of my own life, if it meant that others would be saved or protected from harm.

What's that quote, about evil thriving because good men do nothing? If more people stood up to the Mafia, they would no longer have any power, because no one would be giving it to them.

That's in a perfect world, of course.

But this is an imperfect world, and, as you say, Steven, like the rest of us, is only human, with very human frailties.

I've already mentioned elsewhere I've qualified my original statement with a follow-up response. My answer here is a response to the hypothetical question posed above.

-TD, who rallies her meagre resources for one more salvo

TDWoj · Dec 1, 2003

Lotussan said:
Jalu? I don't get it about the gum...
I guess I am tired too, TD...
But whatever Steven does or has, is strictly his business...
I just wish that I could be doing things riight along with him, that's all...

I think I recall my friend who travels frequently to that part of the world telling us that chewing gum (or maybe it's kissing in public, I know it was something we consider fairly innocuous to do in public) is illegal in Singapore, but Thailand I'm not sure about.

Jalu · Dec 1, 2003

Lotus...

Like TD said (Thank You) in Singapore it is illegal to chew gum in public places....I just wanted to know if it is illegal in Thailand also.

Lotussan said:
Jalu? I don't get it about the gum...
I guess I am tired too, TD...
But whatever Steven does or has, is strictly his business...
I just wish that I could be doing things riight along with him, that's all...

Disciple · Dec 1, 2003

Look, the beauty of the internet is everyone's got a "story" and everone is anonymous. I've seen dozens of such "stories" about him (including some pretty gross ones) none of them are even remotely believable unless you're naturally a gullible person.

This one stinks to high heaven. First indicator is the spending- he does spend more than you or me, but that's just ridiculous Jacko level extravagance that is completely uncharacteristic of him. Not to mention the fact that he simply couldn't afford that kind of expense. You've got to remember, even in his peak fame he was never part of the $20 million per movie club, and he certainly isn't now. Factor in his court bills and a large family to take care of and properties to maintain etc and it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

And don't get me started on all that stuff about how the bodygard supposedly knew the boyfriend...

TDWoj · Dec 1, 2003

Disciple said:
Look, the beauty of the internet is everyone's got a "story" and everone is anonymous. I've seen dozens of such "stories" about him (including some pretty gross ones) none of them are even remotely believable unless you're naturally a gullible person.

This one stinks to high heaven. First indicator is the spending- he does spend more than you or me, but that's just ridiculous Jacko level extravagance that is completely uncharacteristic of him. Not to mention the fact that he simply couldn't afford that kind of expense. You've got to remember, even in his peak fame he was never part of the $20 million per movie club, and he certainly isn't now. Factor in his court bills and a large family to take care of and properties to maintain etc and it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

And don't get me started on all that stuff about how the bodygard supposedly knew the boyfriend...

(sigh)

Once more, I refer you my post upstream which I made in response to Mamasan.

Nassau Mike · Dec 1, 2003

Who gives a **** about that old story..He did testify and the bad guys are in jail and all of that is ancient history..
Nothing means more to Seagal than his kids and his family as he has stated many times..In fact he was more concerned about his family's secruity than his own during this whole mob fiasco..
Lets not just take anyone at their word on anything..

Storm · Dec 2, 2003

The whole story looks dodgy.Craig didn't say who it was so only he knows if the source is even remotely reliable. It was a brave thing to do to testify against the mob.No amount of bodyguards will save you from a sniper's bullet.
The man on screen and off are probably 2 different people altogether.

Lotussan · Dec 3, 2003

All I know is I adore him, and I don't believe half the things I have read, which isn't even that much to be honest, and some of the things that some folks don't agree with him doing just make him all the more interesting to me...
I think he lives his life as he sees fit, and I don't have a problem with anything that he's done...I think he's intelligent and interesting, and I admire him...
On screen image is probably something different from real life...
I love everything I know about you sensei, and I like you just as you are...

May · Dec 3, 2003

Bangkok Girl

Lotussan said:
All I know is I adore him, and I don't believe half the things I have read, which isn't even that much to be honest, and some of the things that some folks don't agree with him doing just make him all the more interesting to me...
I think he lives his life as he sees fit, and I don't have a problem with anything that he's done...I think he's intelligent and interesting, and I admire him...
On screen image is probably something different from real life...
I love everything I know about you sensei, and I like you just as you are...

I am May from Bangkok. The story I told Mr. Craig is true. My ex-boyfreind website is edited at request. You can see for yourself that this law firm worked for Mr. Seagal in Thailand. I don't think Mr Seagal did anything wrong, they just talk about a plan. From what I see of Mr Seagal he respect Thai culture and law, I don't mean to you to think anything wrong of him. And my boyfriend told me he has a lot of respect for Mr. Seagal too especially as an athlete not just an actor. I am jst impressive with Mr Seagal not mean to hurt his reputation, this is why I wrote to Mr. Craig.

Kwan · Dec 3, 2003

May said:
I am May from Bangkok. The story I told Mr. Craig is true. My ex-boyfreind website is edited by request You can see for yourself that this law firm worked for Mr. Seagal in Thailand. I don't think Mr Seagal did anything wrong, they just talk about a plan. From what I see of Mr Seagal he respect Thai culture and law, I don't mean to you to think anything wrong of him. And my boyfriend told me he has a lot of respect for Mr. Seagal too especially as an athlete not just an actor. I am jst impressive with Mr Seagal not mean to hurt his reputation, this is why I wrote to Mr. Craig.

welcome to the MB May!
enjoy your stay!
thanks for the link.....very interesting

suziwong · Dec 3, 2003

Hi May,

Welcome to the board and thank you very much for your information.

in oennesss

Lotussan · Dec 3, 2003

Hi May,

And thank-you for this link...Steven is very impressive, isn't he?
He is very awesome and majestic, what a man!
You are soooo lucky to have seen this big gorgeous man in person!
I am toooo jealous! Just kidding (maybe?)
Have fun here, and enjoy...

Amos Stevens · Dec 3, 2003

Welcome May to the group

Jalu · Dec 3, 2003

Hi May and Welcome!!!!

suziwong · Dec 3, 2003

Lotussan said:
You are soooo lucky to have seen this big gorgeous man in person!
I am toooo jealous! Just kidding (maybe?)
Have fun here, and enjoy...

uhummmmmmmmmmmm !! No comment from me !!
What can I say, you are very lucky May !!

in onenesss

Disciple · Dec 3, 2003

I'll believe the story when I see him hiring out entire hotel floors with my own eyes. But welcome, anyway.

Amos Stevens · Dec 4, 2003

Well it ain't the first time I have heard of him renting out an entire floor.

Disciple · Dec 4, 2003

It ain't the first time I've heard him have so many bodyguards and being accompanied by strange women. Doesn't mean I automatically believe it...

TDWoj · Dec 4, 2003

Disciple said:
It ain't the first time I've heard him have so many bodyguards and being accompanied by strange women. Doesn't mean I automatically believe it...

So, all those pictures in the gallery with him and his bodyguards, they're not really bodyguards, they're just grim looking men who just happened to be standing around him at the time the picture was taken? The same grim looking men in Poland as in New York as in Hong Kong? And the article from the artist in Poland that mentions both bodyguards and girls? Or this article at http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-07-12/music_dancing.html (scroll down to "Mixed Notes").

Sorry - it's just that there's scepticism and then there's rose-coloured glasses.

-TD, vindicated, somewhat, still naive (I told you I was sticking to that story) and still bummed about her missing tape

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