Did the unthinkable (my Aikido journey)

TDWoj

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Amos Stevens said:
NO snarling or arguing with the Sensei TD :)

Yeah, well... not verbally, anyhow!

Decided to try the Wednesday night class tonight. We have this partially disabled guy in class who is a black belt (or at least a 1st kyu, therefore entitled to wear a hakama). I hate working with him. He's too rough, and doesn't respect the limitations of those with less experience or with injuries.

For example, while I was waiting for the "all clear" from the therapist for my injury, I wasn't, as you know, doing any falling down. He kept trying to force me to fall down, regardless. He also knows I have limited flexibility in my joints, that when I'm on the floor and locked in a pin, I can't flex as far as the others can. He'll take my arm and perform the pin faster than I can slap the mat. Also, I tend to do the techniques more slowly so that I can work on relaxing my body and not injure myself. Tonight, he yanked my elbow so hard I had to take myself out of practice for a few minutes, and for the rest of the session, I couldn't really participate fully because any torque on that elbow resulted in excruciating pain.

He has also, in recent days, refused to wear his hakama, and that's pissed off our dojo's sensei. I get the impression it's a sign of disrespect, not to wear your hakama if you've earned the right to wear it.

It was a very uncomfortable session, because another student also flat-out refused to work with him, for the same reason as me - he's too rough, and he doesn't respect his partner.

The instructor for tonight's session made a point - a general point, not a specific one, to him - about respecting one's partner especially if there's an injury involved. Of course he used me as the example. We were doing sankyo, and he demo'd on me that it wasn't necessary to be rough with uke, especially if uke has an injury. As uke, I, of course was protecting myself from incurring further injury, so in response to his very slight movement, I had to adjust myself so I didn't hurt myself, which, of course put me off balance, and down I went - painlessly.

Again, things I have to work on - relaxing, getting in the right position, breathing - all come to bear when it's my turn to be uke. I'm just not ready yet to have all of those things happen at once at precisely the right moment without having to stop and think about it.

It's just this one guy. Clearly, he's having issues with something. I've tried to be patient, but I also don't want to be taken out by another injury, especially to my elbows, where I might end up having to have surgery.

I'm at a loss, at the moment, to know what to do. I don't want to start refusing to have him as a partner, but I don't think I can take any more of the damage he's been inflicting on me (I've had other injuries, mostly severe bruising, from his brute force approach to partnering during the techniques).

On the good news side, a comment I received this evening about my progress was quite positive. Apparently, I'm a good attacker - I punch or cut like I mean it (which sometimes gets me into trouble with my partner, if they haven't worked with me before. That's why I always do everything slow. With intent, but slow!). My ukemi, as limited as it is, is getting better. (It's weird that I can do one of the advanced backward falls, but still can't do a simple backward roll! Typical of me, that.) I'm falling more softly (although my shoulders are STILL killing me from Monday's class). And some techniques I am beginning to do very well.

So I'm moving forward, slowly. Patience is the keyword here. And am trying not to get frustrated with a body that just doesn't want to co-operate.

-TD, who might look like the Michelin man's girlfriend in her gi, but has joints the Man of Steel couldn't bend
 

ad_adrian

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sounds like progress td you really sound like your understanding your self knowing what you can and cant do. keep up the good work

oh and whats a hakama?

in my dojo i would never be sensei's uke...only the top black belt for the lesson can be
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
Hakama - Traditional wide pants, mostly black or blue(indigo) or in some cases white (in aikido that is) with 7 pleats (five front and two back). Aikido is known for training with hakama. Some clubs/styles let's you use it after 1 dan others after 3 kyu, still others from start. In some styles only the instructor wears one etc.

Here is a link to Bujin designs hakama homepage http://www.bujindesign.com/hakama.html

/J
 

TDWoj

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ad_adrian said:
sounds like progress td you really sound like your understanding your self knowing what you can and cant do. keep up the good work

oh and whats a hakama?

in my dojo i would never be sensei's uke...only the top black belt for the lesson can be

I've been the instructor's uke three times now, usually not for anything complicated. Last night was an object lesson in respecting your partner's limitations, which was why I was chosen. Pretty much everyone else there is as flexible as soft plastic. Any other demo's, the instructor can choose anybody he likes, it doesn't necessarily have to be the highest ranking black belt.

And yes, even in our basics classes, we have black belts. They are there to help us newbies.
 

TDWoj

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Seminar = Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow.

Actually, it was a lot of fun, even if it was exhausting. I did manage to last for about three-quarters of the weekend (last seminar, I only managed half) before my ankles gave out on me.

We did lots of variations of iriminage, tenshinage, shihonage... I don't think I've fallen down so much in my entire life. But no ukemi practice! It was all very advanced stuff, and by the end of the first day, I was exhausted and my brain just couldn't take in any more. At this point, I can't remember a single move - everything just flashed by so fast.

It wasn't as large a group as it was for another seminar I went to, but it was still pretty respectable.

Of course, it was the hottest and most humid day we've had so far, and the air conditioning at the Y broke down, so we were just dying from the heat, and we had to step off the mat to get re-hydrated on a fairly frequent basis.

I was in charge of buying the thank-you gift, and scored well on both - turns out Macallan was the visiting instructor's favourite tipple, and I got lucky with the DVD I chose - Bullitt- he was going to get it himself, but hadn't yet!

All in all, a very fun weekend.

Ow.
 

shihonage

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At this point, I can't remember a single move - everything just flashed by so fast.

You may not remember, but your subconscious is quietly putting things together in background, remembering which ways of doing techniques feel "correct".
The body remembers.
 

TDWoj

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shihonage said:
You may not remember, but your subconscious is quietly putting things together in background, remembering which ways of doing techniques feel "correct".
The body remembers.

I think my body has Alzheimer's....
 

TDWoj

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Aikilove said:
You're a lucky one, TD. So Donovan never showed any fancy ukemi himself?

/J

No, he didn't! And he only used black belts to demo and all they did were seriously noisy breakfalls.

Mind you, during the practice, he'd wander around and show us dummies what we were doing wrong, and I got to be his v/i/c/t/i/m uke a couple of times. I didn't get a chance to warn him in time that I was a beginner - I think the way I fell gave him a clue... he was only marginally gentler after that!

Man, does he have HUGE wrists - I couldn't get my wee little fingers around them! And during the warm up exercises, I had no idea the body could bend like that... mine certainly couldn't!

He did the demos lightning fast, so sometimes it was hard to see where the feet and hands were supposed to go. And where the feet and hands were supposed to go was very important!
 

ad_adrian

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td...your hanging in there well done!
we are steven seagal site r proud of u

oh how long do your classes go for?
 

TDWoj

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ad_adrian said:
td...your hanging in there well done!
we are steven seagal site r proud of u

oh how long do your classes go for?

Thanks, adrian.

During the week, the classes are one hour. Saturday's class is an hour and a half. Tonight I thought the class would never end - I'm still sore from the weekend, and it was also very hot, though once we got the doors front and back open and a couple of fans going, it was almost bearable.

Five months, I've been doing aikido. Tonight was my 69th class. Technically, I should be tested next Monday, but with two months not having done any ukemi, my test has been postponed to September.

I tried a couple of back rolls tonight. I'm still a bit skittish because of the torn muscle injury that took two months to heal, and my back was still sore from the weekend (and no money for another trip to the massage therapist). Still can't do simple back rolls worth a damn.

I am, however, going to try a standing forward roll tomorrow night. (Tomorrow night is First Tuesday, when we offer a free class to newbies.) If my back feels okay, I'll try it. Still having trouble timing my breathing when I fall, though.

Ow.
 

Aikilove

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TDWoj said:
He did the demos lightning fast, so sometimes it was hard to see where the feet and hands were supposed to go. And where the feet and hands were supposed to go was very important!
Sometimes (specially after a couple of semesters) it's more important to see the whole movement. How nage connect with uke and uke with nage. Where his eyes are, how his hips are aligned with ukes hips, how he blend and how he control.

/J
 

TDWoj

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Aikilove said:
Sometimes (specially after a couple of semesters) it's more important to see the whole movement. How nage connect with uke and uke with nage. Where his eyes are, how his hips are aligned with ukes hips, how he blend and how he control.

/J

Exactly - except when done at blinding speed, you can't see it. I was having a terrible time with some of the moves - the guys I was working with kept insisting I was doing them fine, but I was only doing them when they took me through each step. On my own, I got completely lost - even to the point where I couldn't remember the first move when attacked!

I have to say I'm a bit depressed about aikido at the moment. Usually I'm quite pumped after class, but last night, I couldn't wait to get out of there. It might be because I'm overtired, worried about work (the lack thereof), or just burnt out.

One of the senior students said something to me that absolutely cut me to the quick, and now I don't want to go back, because I'm embarrassed and ashamed. I really do have to learn to keep my mouth shut. I sometimes forget that what I consider kidding around another person might take offense. (This is another trait of my father's I've suddenly found in me, so now I've got even more work to do to get shut of it. Before I make any more enemies.)

I should probably quit, anyhow. After five months, I thought it would be getting easier, but my body just isn't making any progress.
 

TDWoj

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Well, I went to class tonight, although I have to say my heart wasn't in it. Hard to believe tonight was my 70th class, and I still can't roll. And, as I discovered, can't even do ikkyo properly - after five months of practice, one would think I'd have at least mastered that - but no.

It's hard to muster up enthusiasm when I clearly am incapable of performing the simplest of techniques adequately. Guys who started after me are already ready for their first test. Come September, there's not a snowball's chance in hell I'll be any wheres near ready.

Heck, I can't even touch my toes yet, and every muscle in my body hurts like crazy, before, during and after class. There's no relief from the pain, at all.

I don't know if there's any point in continuing, since it seems fairly obvious I've reached the limits my body allows me. As I said, I can't even master a simple roll. It's embarrassing; I know the students hate partnering with me during ukemi practice because I'm so slow, and it means they can't practice the number of reps they want.

Maybe I'm just in a funk; I've had them before, but this time seems different. I can see that this is hopeless - I know I'll never get any better than where I am right now. What was I thinking? 47 years old, never flexible to begin with, and I'm trying a sport that requires superior flexibility? This is nuts.

-TD, wanting to quit because it's the sensible thing to do but not wanting to quit unless it's the right thing to do
 

shihonage

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Like I said before, I was completely not ready for 5th kyu test after 6 months, and I was what, 22-23 years old at the time. I was just slow at learning. My 5th kyu test took place after a year and 8 months since I started Aikido.
One guy who was very very enthusiastic and visited every day and every seminar, actually sped up to shodan in two years, which was somewhere between my 5th kyu and 4th kyu tests.

I am a 3rd kyu now but I still have problems reaching my toes. This isn't a Yoga class, thankfully, and although some ability for extension is required, reaching your toes is not mandatory. The purpose of the warm-ups is exactly that - to warm up. They are not structured in a way that allows for anything more.

I've recently discovered that I still have no idea how to do ikkyo. This is one thing that continuously eludes me. I'm pretty good at shihonage and some other techniques, but ikkyo is easily the worst offender. This becomes obvious when I train with a yudansha who is quick to let me "feel" the flaws in my ikkyo.

Regarding other students - they want Aikido to help them develop "spiritually" - well there it is. The opportunity. If they start avoiding pairing up with a beginner or being selective about their partner in general, this is the death of their Aikido.

Don't be in a hurry to quit. Yes, rolling is a priority #1. Until you learn to roll without damaging yourself, your progress in Aikido will be slower than you'd probably like.
Rolling however does not require as much flexibility of the body as flexibility of the mind. You may need to let go of existing preconceptions of how it looks or how its supposed to go and find a more comfortable way. You should talk to your Sensei about the inherent limitations that you _feel_ are preventing you from rolling, and hear his/her answers - are you right ? Or is it something else that stops you ? Or maybe they can give you a helpful hint on dealing with the show-stopping issue ?

One of the senior students said something to me that absolutely cut me to the quick, and now I don't want to go back, because I'm embarrassed and ashamed. I really do have to learn to keep my mouth shut. I sometimes forget that what I consider kidding around another person might take offense. (This is another trait of my father's I've suddenly found in me, so now I've got even more work to do to get shut of it. Before I make any more enemies.)

This is what Aikido does. It brings out the demons that you are otherwise not aware of, and it lets you look at them, acknowledge their existence, and learn to deal with them.
Eventually the demons will have less power over you, which is, paraphrased, the entire point of Aikido, according to O Sensei himself.
The whole thing about defeating the enemy INSIDE you was not just ramblings of a senile old man, he knew what he meant. And you are starting to feel it.
 

ad_adrian

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tdwoj...im not happy to hear your story's
so what that your not progressing any more further...ur only 46...i have heard of ppl 60 starting up aikido....how much progress have you made so far....the first part of progress is always fast....the 2nd lot is always slow...very slow ...i know that in my 7 years of boxing....and a lot of things in life. who cares if your not ready for your first test
who cares what they think..aikido is about you.... and as shihonage said...they have lost aikido them selfs if they dont want to be with you.

dont give up now look how far you have come.....
if your so sore give it a rest for a few days.....maybe a week or so...
 

Aikilove

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No don't give it a rest - that's a sure death sentence to your aikido training. Just keep in there TD. Shihonage gave some good advice.
Trust me on this one - There is no such thing as too unflexible, too bad ukemi, too too too too... Just try to get it out of your head.
And Trust me on this one to - There's very few instructors in this world that wouldn't want you to come back. You are their purpos in the dojo. You.

It's just sounds like you are at a platue in your progress. Guess what? - we all get them - all the time. But you know what's the best part? It's at these platues that we actually progress. When everything feels good, it's because your technique are up to par with your understanding of that technique. At the platues, when the technique feels like crap, it is when your understanding of that technique expands and grows.

Now stop whining and get back to training ;)

*Hang in there TD!*

/J
 
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