How effective would aikido be in a cage or ring?

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
If you did bring some aikido skills into a cage or ring at the ultimate fighting tournaments
Example; when a muscular opponent is running towards you to tackle and take you down, and you apply an aikido double-open palm to the attacher's cheekbones
Is the brawler gonna be stunned or effected by the open-palms wall awaiting their cheekbones, and would it shake their brain enough to knock the juggernaut out? I honestly don't know? I've only been to a beginner's level class in an aikido dojo thus far :indiffere

This sounds like advanced aikido practitioner stuff(open palm applications to the front of the face or head), is it?
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
If the technique is applied correctly is would most definitely effect the attacker.

Therefore only advanced aikidoka are capable of applying these kind of techniques in such fights.

Having said that it is important to realise that aikido is not an agressive martial art, but it's essence is to divert an attack and take control of a situation in such a way that there is no fight.

Aikido stands for "the way of harmony". If you only studied aikido then you won't stand a chance in a cage or ring fight. Studied more martial arts, then you can combine the techniques. Using aikido opens up your opponent and makes him funerable for techniques from other martial arts (strikes and blows).

I myself studied judo, jiu jitsu, karate and aikido and I am confident that only by combining these arts when I would get in a fight I could win it. Or at least can defend myself in such a way I can create an opportunity to exit the fight relatively unharmed.

But I'm also very glad to say I have never been in a real fight.

Peace
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
Kotegashi;203683 said:
If the technique is applied correctly is would most definitely effect the attacker.

Therefore only advanced aikidoka are capable of applying these kind of techniques in such fights.

Having said that it is important to realise that aikido is not an agressive martial art, but it's essence is to divert an attack and take control of a situation in such a way that there is no fight.

Aikido stands for "the way of harmony". If you only studied aikido then you won't stand a chance in a cage or ring fight. Studied more martial arts, then you can combine the techniques. Using aikido opens up your opponent and makes him funerable for techniques from other martial arts (strikes and blows).

I myself studied judo, jiu jitsu, karate and aikido and I am confident that only by combining these arts when I would get in a fight I could win it. Or at least can defend myself in such a way I can create an opportunity to exit the fight relatively unharmed.

But I'm also very glad to say I have never been in a real fight.

Peace

Thanks Kote
 

charles

Charles
Aikido is, for the most part, not effective in the cage or the ring (which is one reason why you never see it there). After studying Aikido myself I concluded that it is also, by and large, not effective in a real fight. The mere fact that it takes many years to master makes it very impractical, as opposed to, say, Israeli Krav Maga.
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
Why is aikido impractical just because it takes years to master? Aikido in itself work just fine. Has done so for me several times. Sometimes against more than one attacker. If you want a quick fix, sure, don't expect aikido to give it to you, but then that is not something people training in aikido claim either.
 

bens85

Active Member
Aikido is effective and has self defence applications of course, but for the most part would not be compatible in a MMA/Ring/Cage fight simply because of the training approach in those competitive styles, compared to Aikido.
 

reno77

Member
Kotegashi;203683 said:
If the technique is applied correctly is would most definitely effect the attacker.

Therefore only advanced aikidoka are capable of applying these kind of techniques in such fights.

Having said that it is important to realise that aikido is not an agressive martial art, but it's essence is to divert an attack and take control of a situation in such a way that there is no fight.

Aikido stands for "the way of harmony". If you only studied aikido then you won't stand a chance in a cage or ring fight. Studied more martial arts, then you can combine the techniques. Using aikido opens up your opponent and makes him funerable for techniques from other martial arts (strikes and blows).

I myself studied judo, jiu jitsu, karate and aikido and I am confident that only by combining these arts when I would get in a fight I could win it. Or at least can defend myself in such a way I can create an opportunity to exit the fight relatively unharmed.

But I'm also very glad to say I have never been in a real fight.

Peace

Hello: You mentioned that only by mixing different martial art styles with Aikido would you get into a fight. If Aikido alone is not capable of being utilized for practical defense purposes, is it worthy of study as a defense art?
I had read that in his early years, Ueshiba used a "hard" style Kyokoshin Karate
to deliver his effective strikes. Later on, his focus shifted to the more meditative aspects of the art. Just like Judo was created for instruction and sport applications, diluting it's practical defense purposes, do you feel that Aikido and other arts have been watered down from their original combative intent? Glad to hear that you have never been in the brutality of a real fight. Let us hope that none of us will be placed into that situation.
 

reno77

Member
To Donald Lee Wilkey: Can you tell me from what event was the photo of Clint Eastwood and Steven Segal taken?
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Aikido is a defensive arts. You have to differentiate between martial arts for defense and fighting. Self-defense and fighting are two different subjects.

Many martial artists have no clue how to fight, however they know how to defend themselves...

It's funny with all the respect I have for Ueshiba and martial arts in general, you can't compare someone like Ueshiba or Aikido to a professional fighter. I remember reading in a magazine, a kyokushin master was asked do you think Ueshiba would be able to fight a professional fighter... The kyokushin master said, I'll just pull his beard, and what do you think will happen to him then...

The point is, self-defense and fighting are two very different things. You can not compare a self-defense style like aikido, or hapkido to a pro mma fighter or muay thai fighter. In a fight there is nothing they can do unless all they do is train for sport competitions and full contact events. But self-defense and defending themselves on the street is a different story... That's what they train to do.
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
Littledragon;204679 said:
Aikido is a defensive arts. You have to differentiate between martial arts for defense and fighting. Self-defense and fighting are two different subjects.

Many martial artists have no clue how to fight, however they know how to defend themselves...

It's funny with all the respect I have for Ueshiba and martial arts in general, you can't compare someone like Ueshiba or Aikido to a professional fighter. I remember reading in a magazine, a kyokushin master was asked do you think Ueshiba would be able to fight a professional fighter... The kyokushin master said, I'll just pull his beard, and what do you think will happen to him then...

The point is, self-defense and fighting are two very different things. You can not compare a self-defense style like aikido, or hapkido to a pro mma fighter or muay thai fighter. In a fight there is nothing they can do unless all they do is train for sport competitions and full contact events. But self-defense and defending themselves on the street is a different story... That's what they train to do.

No pun/disrespect intended to you LD, but your reply is purely speculation and unsubstantiated
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Donald Lee Wilkey;204680 said:
No pun/disrespect intended to you LD, but your reply is purely speculation and unsubstantiated

Then I guess all the times i fought as a pro in kick boxing muay thai and mma don't matter...
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
Littledragon;204681 said:
Then I guess all the times i fought as a pro in kick boxing muay thai and mma don't matter...

You take it too personal LD in your reply to my thread
All due respect to your championships, but you've never studied aikido at the levels of O'Sensei nor of Steven Seagal's real life studies of aikido
Nor has this kyokushin master you mentioned ever studied aikido
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Donald Lee Wilkey;204688 said:
You take it too personal LD in your reply to my thread
All due respect to your championships, but you've never studied aikido at the levels of O'Sensei nor of Steven Seagal's real life studies of aikido
Nor has this kyokushin master you mentioned ever studied aikido

Well if you ever find the answer to your question of how aikido is effective in mma or full contact fighting please let me know when...

I will be waiting to watch a mystical o sensei aikido master in mma, untill that time comes, I'm pretty confident with my statement mentioned below...
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
Littledragon;204689 said:
Well if you ever find the answer to your question of how aikido is effective in mma or full contact fighting please let me know when...

I will be waiting to watch a mystical o sensei aikido master in mma, untill that time comes, I'm pretty confident with my statement mentioned below...

:) Jesus and Heavenly Father loves you LittleDragon :cool:
 

kadence1

Active Member
I honestly think seagal could win in a cage fight cause think of it like this they run at seagal as fast as he can to grab him all seagal has to do is grab his hand when he comes at him and throw him i dont kno a lot about martial arts but i have a brother the same age and he likes seagal and norris he was telling me that he would hurt me if he ran at me and i love seagal i kno a lot of moves just by watching his movies i said jp run at me as fast as u can he did as he came all i did was concentrate and wait for the moment grabed his hand moved out of the way and threw him now seagal has way more concentration that i do so if i can do it so can he
 

Clement3000

aka The Phoenix
kadence1;204709 said:
I honestly think seagal could win in a cage fight cause think of it like this they run at seagal as fast as he can to grab him all seagal has to do is grab his hand when he comes at him and throw him i dont kno a lot about martial arts but i have a brother the same age and he likes seagal and norris he was telling me that he would hurt me if he ran at me and i love seagal i kno a lot of moves just by watching his movies i said jp run at me as fast as u can he did as he came all i did was concentrate and wait for the moment grabed his hand moved out of the way and threw him now seagal has way more concentration that i do so if i can do it so can he

hahahaah yes I'm pretty sure Seagal has a little more concentration and experience, don't go snapping your brothers neck next lol
 

reno77

Member
kadence1;204709 said:
I honestly think seagal could win in a cage fight cause think of it like this they run at seagal as fast as he can to grab him all seagal has to do is grab his hand when he comes at him and throw him i dont kno a lot about martial arts but i have a brother the same age and he likes seagal and norris he was telling me that he would hurt me if he ran at me and i love seagal i kno a lot of moves just by watching his movies i said jp run at me as fast as u can he did as he came all i did was concentrate and wait for the moment grabed his hand moved out of the way and threw him now seagal has way more concentration that i do so if i can do it so can he

I don't know if it would be that easy to do as you suggested in your post but I agree with Clement300: please don't end of snapping your little brother's arm or neck! (joke)
 

Kido Ryu

Reverand Member
Hello, It’s been a few years since my last post.

Aikido in a cage/ring competition?

This is difficult to answer, it’s like asking “would a tennis player do well in a gulf match or who would win between Tiger Woods to Andy Rod*ick.?” I would say they are evenly matched. (In a archery contest that is).

In my opinion Aikido training is not geared toward the all out aggression exhibited in a MMA match . (Based on the training I have witnessed) However all aikido practitioners/instructors are not equal. There are accounts of Morihei Ueshiba defeating multiple attackers, armed with live katanas, with a stick. This indicates to me that the techniques are sound. ( I can’t say how well a MMA would do under the same circumstances as they don‘t train for this scenario)

If one understands blending with the angle of attack, feeling a path of least resistance and the ability to instinctively find the technique to exploits that path coupled with a will to inflict damage they would fair well in the above mentioned contest.

The simple truth, the odds favor the participant that trains under the rules of the engagement. Changing the rules will change the possible out come. Let us imagine the same competitors in a no rules match and arm them with stun guns (we wouldn’t want to advocate a death match) A match like this would make everything a little more even.

Personally I would like to see the cage match between Tiger Woods to Andy Rod*ick

Respectfully,
Rev.Dean
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Kido Ryu;204739 said:
Hello, It’s been a few years since my last post.

Aikido in a cage/ring competition?

This is difficult to answer, it’s like asking “would a tennis player do well in a gulf match or who would win between Tiger Woods to Andy Rod*ick.?” I would say they are evenly matched. (In a archery contest that is).

In my opinion Aikido training is not geared toward the all out aggression exhibited in a MMA match . (Based on the training I have witnessed) However all aikido practitioners/instructors are not equal. There are accounts of Morihei Ueshiba defeating multiple attackers, armed with live katanas, with a stick. This indicates to me that the techniques a sound. ( I can’t say how well a MMA would do under the same circumstances as they don‘t train for this scenario)

If one understands blending with the angle of attack, feeling a path of least resistance and the ability to instinctively find the technique to exploits that path coupled with a will to inflict damage they would fair well in the above mentioned contest.

The simple truth, the odds favor the participant that trains under the rules of the engagement. Changing the rules will change the possible out come. Let us imagine the same competitors in a no rules match and arm them with stun guns (we wouldn’t want to advocate a death match) A match like this would make everything a little more even.

Personally I would like to see the cage match between Tiger Woods to Andy Rod*ick

Respectfully,
Rev.Dean

I completely agree with you... Aikido is a fantastic martial art, just like all martial arts are. However as I have explained different arts are geared towards different training purposes. Aikido is a defensive martial art. Fantastic martial art for self-defense, small joint, knife defense, weapon defense, gun defense etc... Aikido is not a fighting art, it is not an art for ring fighting. Ring fighting arts are boxing, muay thai, wrestling, jiu-jitsu, etc...

So the question on how aikido would do in mma or steven seagal would do in ufc is just foolish. But fun to detbate ;)
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
Littledragon;204740 said:
I completely agree with you... Aikido is a fantastic martial art, just like all martial arts are. However as I have explained different arts are geared towards different training purposes. Aikido is a defensive martial art. Fantastic martial art for self-defense, small joint, knife defense, weapon defense, gun defense etc... Aikido is not a fighting art, it is not an art for ring fighting. Ring fighting arts are boxing, muay thai, wrestling, jiu-jitsu, etc...

So the question on how aikido would do in mma or steven seagal would do in ufc is just foolish. But fun to detbate ;)

Foolish question of this my thread, I disconcur with u LD :gun:

Fun to debate, I concur with u LD :cool:

Oos
 

reno77

Member
Kido Ryu;204739 said:
Hello, It’s been a few years since my last post.

Aikido in a cage/ring competition?

This is difficult to answer, it’s like asking “would a tennis player do well in a gulf match or who would win between Tiger Woods to Andy Rod*ick.?” I would say they are evenly matched. (In a archery contest that is).

In my opinion Aikido training is not geared toward the all out aggression exhibited in a MMA match . (Based on the training I have witnessed) However all aikido practitioners/instructors are not equal. There are accounts of Morihei Ueshiba defeating multiple attackers, armed with live katanas, with a stick. This indicates to me that the techniques are sound. ( I can’t say how well a MMA would do under the same circumstances as they don‘t train for this scenario)

If one understands blending with the angle of attack, feeling a path of least resistance and the ability to instinctively find the technique to exploits that path coupled with a will to inflict damage they would fair well in the above mentioned contest.

The simple truth, the odds favor the participant that trains under the rules of the engagement. Changing the rules will change the possible out come. Let us imagine the same competitors in a no rules match and arm them with stun guns (we wouldn’t want to advocate a death match) A match like this would make everything a little more even.

Personally I would like to see the cage match between Tiger Woods to Andy Rod*ick

Respectfully,
Rev.Dean

There are some interesting observations in your post regarding the understanding and exploitation of the attack. The training under different rules of engagement is an excellent point. I believe that a practitioner, regardless of his style, will react the same way in a street fight as he had been trained in the dojo or gym. If someone does notengage in realistic fight training in class, one can not expect to perform any differently when being attacked outside the classroom environment. I have seen this with Renzo Gracie's NYC Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes, Yamada's NYC Aikido School, Emin Boeztep's NY Wing Chun class, etc... Whatever comprises their training in class, I have seen the students replicate by rote when confronted outside the school.

The various rules and regulations that govern MMA, boxing matches, and so forth, limit the methods one can utilize to "defend" ones self in the ring, A soldier who was trained in Special Ops will have learned different techniques to fight or defend himself than would be allowed in a tournament.

However I do believe that certain attacks that would be directed against an Akidoka in a MMA fight would be very basic punches , kicks and takedowns that he would encounter in a street fight. If, as LD suggests, Aikido is all about "self deffense", shouldn't the Aikidoka not be able to use his "self defense" techniques successfully against such an attack. A basic right cross, uppercut, straight leg kick, a takedown etc... would most likely be the same attacks that would be leveled against the Aikido practitioner in or outside of the ring. Either his Akido techniques work, or they do not.

Now a cage match between Rod**** and Woods would be interesting, hmmmm
Kido Ryu: would such a proposed fight include weapons ( golf club vs tennis racquet) or unarmend combat?

To Little Dragon: If you don't mind, when and where have you fought as a Pro Kickboxer and MMA fighter? Do you believe that none of the techniques learned in Aikido would be practical to apply against a "live" and "unwilling" opponent in a tournament fight? What have techniques have yo ufound to be of most value to you in a ring fight?
 
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