Other Official Site is Opened !!!

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Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
I am sure he would Heather...If that is the way it is over there, then this place is definately unsurpassed...That format has gotta go...Let us know what you hear, if anything, Tiggy, ok?
 

J.Lucas

Active Member
littledragon869 said:
So you are saying it is not OFFICIAL?

Didn't one of the representatives say the site would be back up and running again.

Maybe we are getting a little too paranoid?

Yep.........

yes..one of the reps did state that the site would be back up and running(actually they stated many things that never happened)..and even for awhile there was that opening page saying that stevenseagal.com v2.0 was coming...but linked right back to the original one(v1.0).

"paranoid"???
I believe paranoia is..being led by misconceptions or "illusion"
I believe in trying to see "reality"

if you go to www.JohnLucas.com I can honestly state that the site has nothing to do with me or anyone affiliated with me.

the thing about using a domain site name is fine...in the case of publicly recognised people...I just think there should be a bit of responsibility involved...
for example if the guy/gal(from the wording on the site I believe it's a guy myself)..is a Seagal fan(who apparently is ) and just did the usual obtaining a dead domain site ...then just merely put on the opening page a disclaimer that it's just another fan site that just happen to get the domain name when the contract expired as with many things...on the internet..one does not "purchase' a domain site for life...it's leased for a period of time(I think the original contract was for 5 years)...if you don't renew your lease....it's goes out on the open market.
if you go to that link I posted above...and search stevenseagl.com you can put in a bid yourself for when it goes on the open market again($100 minimum)thing is it's locked right now into a 1 year lease. the person running the site got it June ?? 2004...and it'll expire in a year.
John
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
They why do they list them on the back of the CD?
I think that was a copyright attempt, but I could be wrong...
I thought Steamroller owned everything having to do with that site...
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
Hi, John.

It's the contradiction in information that we're getting from various sources that's leading to the confusion of "is this the official site or not".

According to Donna's sources, it is the official site; they seem to know about it, anyway. And it supposed to be the one that's been in development for two years.

According to what we're seeing, it's a site created by an amateur getting his first taste of web design.

While "www.stevenseagal.com" is on the back of the CD as the official site (the other link doesn't work at all), that cover could have been printed ages ago, when the site still did belong to Steven's company.

There's no evidence that any company associated with Steven owns (leases) the site at present.

If this is in fact the official site, then somebody, somewhere dropped the ball. One cannot imagine anything like this being associated with somebody who's poised (according to reports we've been seeing here) for making a comeback on the big screen.

None of the material is original, and the material that's there isn't credited from the sites they s/t/o/l/e/ borrowed it from.

It's embarrassing, is what it is. And it should never have been put up in the state that it's in, with so many uncompleted links and options.

The original site had a lot of class, a lot of style. It was professionally designed, though alas, not professionally administered, and it indicated there was at least someone there who cared about presentation. There was no reason for it go splat if only someone had taken the reins and kept on top of it.

If the current site is what we get after two years of development, somebody's laughing all the way to the bank. And laughing at us - the fans - who have been waiting for the official site to come back.
 

J.Lucas

Active Member
TDWoj said:
Hi, John.

Hello.....sorry I haven't been around much..I popped in the other day and this thread caught my eye...so I figured I'd jump in this one..I normally let things flow...this one sparks my interest tho'....
hope you are well.
TDWoj said:
It's the contradiction in information that we're getting from various sources that's leading to the confusion of "is this the official site or not".

what sources(if I can ask)?
TDWoj said:
According to Donna's sources, it is the official site; they seem to know about it, anyway. And it supposed to be the one that's been in development for two years.

again...who is "they"????
TDWoj said:
According to what we're seeing, it's a site created by an amateur getting his first taste of web design.

"in creation" or as many use"under construction'..testing and seeing if this link or image works; etc.
TDWoj said:
While "www.stevenseagal.com" is on the back of the CD as the official site (the other link doesn't work at all), that cover could have been printed ages ago, when the site still did belong to Steven's company.

well under the normal circumstance..yes....a company would normally grab up their affiliated domain name..I mean if you wanted to communicate with people thru the internet you surely would take the ".com" name...but as I stated and see...it was up for grabs....
the thing about the CD....as far as I remember, the CD itself was completed years ago but was 'shelved' by Sony at the time(I'm just speculating that it may have been due to the ill recieved Half past Dead film...perhaps not...tho for example ..let's say HPD was a blockbuster of some kind..I'm sure Sony would've put it out at that time to cash in further).
if you have the CD(I don't) is there a year printed on the cover???

TDWoj said:
There's no evidence that any company associated with Steven owns (leases) the site at present.

I agree and was trying(as you) to point that out so perhaps people didn't get dissapointed in what Seagal's people were presenting to the public(because I it's not)
TDWoj said:
If this is in fact the official site, then somebody, somewhere dropped the ball. One cannot imagine anything like this being associated with somebody who's poised (according to reports we've been seeing here) for making a comeback on the big screen.

I'm not even going there....with that "comeback to the big screen" one unless I need to.
TDWoj said:
None of the material is original, and the material that's there isn't credited from the sites they s/t/o/l/e/ borrowed it from.

some of it(the little I've seen is inaccurate also)..nevertheless..web-sites usually like to give credit to where it's due; name their sources or have a copywrite acknowledgement at the bottom of the page(which wouldn't fit for this site).....it's really a matter of respect for others and not any kind of legal issue.
TDWoj said:
It's embarrassing, is what it is. And it should never have been put up in the state that it's in, with so many uncompleted links and options.

it's only embarrassing if one does not see it for what it is.....otherwise I have no problem with the site..anybody that does web design knows we all started in the same way....trying this and that..learning by mistakes...seeing what will fly and what doesn't.....most just don't start by using a celeb domain address......I just think they/him/her need to state that....so as to not mislead people that it's some kind of representation of Seagal and his interests....that's all.....unless that is their intention.(which would be in total opposition of Seagal's beliefs....I really don't think Seagal has walked his path all these years just to get to the point of purposely mis-leading people directly or indirectly..I think if he actually saw it..he'd tell his people to get the domain name back...whether they put anything on it or not.....as many companies did in the early internet years...just obtain the domain just to stop this kind of thing..so there was no misrepresentation.)
TDWoj said:
The original site had a lot of class, a lot of style. It was professionally designed, though alas, not professionally administered, and it indicated there was at least someone there who cared about presentation. There was no reason for it go splat if only someone had taken the reins and kept on top of it.

yeah..."flash" design was still basically new to many at that time...now that I think of it...I had many of the SWF files captured from the original site because I had a feeling it would shut down one day the way things were going...you could see it coming(which is what happened.)
TDWoj said:
If the current site is what we get after two years of development, somebody's laughing all the way to the bank. And laughing at us - the fans - who have been waiting for the official site to come back.

again...that is really just a matter of what people choose to see.
John

good discussion...wish I stopped in earliar...
and again I have no ill feelings towards the site...just the lack of responsability(they may not even be aware if it)..most we can do as supporters of Seagal is help the site...my 1st suggestion would be to drop the bulletin board as soon as possible...finish the graphics and the layout as a priority...get the images resized correctly; links corrected...drop the copywrited photog images.etc,etc..you know get the basics done first...then add the message board(forget the bulletin board format)..the site will come along in time....guy is probably working alone on it learning as he goes....takes time that's for sure.
 

TDWoj

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J.Lucas said:
Hello.....sorry I haven't been around much..I popped in the other day and this thread caught my eye...so I figured I'd jump in this one..I normally let things flow...this one sparks my interest tho'....
hope you are well.
Yes, thank you. Moved into a new apartment three weeks ago and I'm living in a sea of boxes, hence a bit frazzled because I can't find things, because things haven't found their place yet!

It's good to see you back, even if only for one topic!

what sources(if I can ask)?

again...who is "they"????

"in creation" or as many use"under construction'..testing and seeing if this link or image works; etc.

Aikidonna's got a contact who says this is the official site that we've all been waiting for, or words to that effect, and oh, by the way, please make sure you buy Steven's products. :rolleyes: (Makes me think the webmaster just bought a franchise in Steven's products and is trying to make a buck by hawking them.)

As for "in creation" and testing to see if this link or image works - that's what test sites are for! :mad: Even I know that, and I do mostly content and am the occasional guinea pig for testing sites in development.

I'm just barking about the whole unprofessional feel to the thing, I guess. Just because they didn't do it my way - ahem - doesn't necessarily make it wrong. It's just not the way I would have done it, ESPECIALLY for a client of Steven's stature (no pun intended).

well under the normal circumstance..yes....a company would normally grab up their affiliated domain name..I mean if you wanted to communicate with people thru the internet you surely would take the ".com" name...but as I stated and see...it was up for grabs....

That's what I said at the time the original site went down and the lease expired. If no one among Steven's crew were on the ball - and it appeared at the time they weren't - it wouldn't take much for a squatter to snap it up and wait for the ransom money.

the thing about the CD....as far as I remember, the CD itself was completed years ago but was 'shelved' by Sony at the time(I'm just speculating that it may have been due to the ill recieved Half past Dead film...perhaps not...tho for example ..let's say HPD was a blockbuster of some kind..I'm sure Sony would've put it out at that time to cash in further).
if you have the CD(I don't) is there a year printed on the cover???

You'll have to ask Tiggy or suzi about that - I think they've both gone over the covers and inserts with a magnifying glass! :D

Does that explain why it's only been released in France so far? I wonder if it's a rights issue in North America that it hasn't been released here yet. I'm not sure how music rights work, if they're anything like book publishing rights. Who owns the property, for example - Steven or Sony?

I agree and was trying(as you) to point that out so perhaps people didn't get dissapointed in what Seagal's people were presenting to the public(because I it's not).

Steven's got some strange people around him, though. They could think this site's the bees' knees, or summat.

I'm not even going there....with that "comeback to the big screen" one unless I need to.

Yeah, well... we'll see what we'll see.

some of it(the little I've seen is inaccurate also)..nevertheless..web-sites usually like to give credit to where it's due; name their sources or have a copywrite acknowledgement at the bottom of the page(which wouldn't fit for this site).....it's really a matter of respect for others and not any kind of legal issue.

Again, it's the whole totally unprofessional, slap dash feel to the thing.

it's only embarrassing if one does not see it for what it is.....otherwise I have no problem with the site..anybody that does web design knows we all started in the same way....trying this and that..learning by mistakes...seeing what will fly and what doesn't.....most just don't start by using a celeb domain address......I just think they/him/her need to state that....so as to not mislead people that it's some kind of representation of Seagal and his interests....that's all.....unless that is their intention.(which would be in total opposition of Seagal's beliefs....I really don't think Seagal has walked his path all these years just to get to the point of purposely mis-leading people directly or indirectly..I think if he actually saw it..he'd tell his people to get the domain name back...whether they put anything on it or not.....as many companies did in the early internet years...just obtain the domain just to stop this kind of thing..so there was no misrepresentation.)

I'm convinced whoever's working on the site is reading this thread. There was much bitching about the awfulness of the background in the message board, and, hey, presto! Miraculously, it was changed.

Others have observed there's no section on aikido, which just sends up another red flag. A man spends more than half his life studying a discipline, and an official site goes up with nary a mention of it? (Unless he's set aside aikido, forever, which is also a possibility.)

yeah..."flash" design was still basically new to many at that time...now that I think of it...I had many of the SWF files captured from the original site because I had a feeling it would shut down one day the way things were going...you could see it coming(which is what happened.)

I wonder what happened to the old site? Would the original designers still have it?

again...that is really just a matter of what people choose to see.

good discussion...wish I stopped in earliar...
and again I have no ill feelings towards the site...just the lack of responsability(they may not even be aware if it)..most we can do as supporters of Seagal is help the site...my 1st suggestion would be to drop the bulletin board as soon as possible...finish the graphics and the layout as a priority...get the images resized correctly; links corrected...drop the copywrited photog images.etc,etc..you know get the basics done first...then add the message board(forget the bulletin board format)..the site will come along in time....guy is probably working alone on it learning as he goes....takes time that's for sure.
John

Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts, John! Yes, you're right about the learning curve. I'm still stumbling around, even working just on content (I have to do my own coding). Somebody asks me to design a website, I will, of course, accept the job - and then hire a sub (i.e., my business colleague's son, who's a whiz) to do the job right! :D
 

Mama San

Administrator
I was just over there, John, and it appears
to be the old site all over again!!
Apparently NO moderators and the language
leaves much to be desired!!
I don't think I'll be spending much time there!!
Not unless there are some changes made and soon!!
God bless,
Mama san
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
SS dropping Aikido forever?

For people like Steven Seagal, Aikido is not just a discipline, it becomes a way of life ... in SS's case it transformed him to becoming more religious.
I don't think SS dropped Aikido or will as that's what many identify him with. That's how he makes his mark (although not lately, but maybe that's due to the low budgeted dtvs)... I'll just keep ignoring that message board 'till something good comes off that site.
 

Serena

Administrator
Just checked out the message board. It looks like they've cleaned up two of the trashiest posts, and some of the response posts. They missed the trash in two of the responses, but could be cleaning that up right now.

Just give things time, people. Craig is forever updating and improving this site. I'm sure that one will continue to improve with time also.
 

aikidonna

New Member
Serena said:
Just checked out the message board. It looks like they've cleaned up two of the trashiest posts, and some of the response posts. They missed the trash in two of the responses, but could be cleaning that up right now.

Just give things time, people. Craig is forever updating and improving this site. I'm sure that one will continue to improve with time also.

Well well well, sounds like the webmaster got my email that I sent on the subject. Either that, or you guys are right when you said that you think that they are reading the messages over here. I guess that we could all be right.:D
Take care
Donna
 

tora

Funmaker
It still looks like they're making it in such a rush and for those 2 years it was totally forgotten.

Well at least we can say we're not ignored.:rolleyes:
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
Hi everybody,

I visited the new official site, but I feel that it is made by an amateur.
IT looks horrible (even I can do better), and all the info is taken from other websites.

They should take example of this site.

Craig, you should contact Seagal and have him support you financialy to keep this site running and give you first hand info on films and other stuff.

You made a site the way it's supposed to be.

Greets,

Me
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Someone contact him, he should be aware if he isn't...
And yes, this site is great, it should exceed this site, if anything...
 

ORANGATUANG

Wildfire
Kotegashi..I agree with you 110% that Craig has done a fine job keeping this forum going through thick and thin he just keeps us guys and gals happy...as for the other site well it speaks for itself and this is better in every sense..............
 

MMCK2

New Member
Hi Folks. I have just been over visiting the new site and I think it is terrible! It is not a patch on the old one, at least it was a lot less cheap looking and easier to read and follow but this new one looks like its been designed by the work experience boy! I actually liked the old forum and the way it was set out with the brown background and yellow lettering as it was very easy to read but this new message board has taken the website back instead of moving it forward.

In short this site is by far the best and at least is run by fans for fans unlike the money grabbers and product pluggers that are now in control of the official one!

MMCK2
 

katw_03

New Member
When visiting the official site, I am reminded how grateful
I am to Craig for providing us with this far superior website!
THANK YOU CRAIG! :)
 

suziwong

Administrator
Staff member
Aikido Section is opened now !!!!
for your information
thank you very much Donna for your efforts !!

But it is very simple !!
suzi
 

tora

Funmaker
I just can't believe such people work for him.He should've fired them and hired better ones.That's what he always used to say "Look for better people to be around you."
 
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