Steven Seagal at Bangkok !!!

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Kcs

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I don't think that the number one DTV actor is a D class star in the US. Don't forget that this market didn''t even exist a few years ago, and in this market there are way more movies to compete with than in cinemas. And Seagal's movies are the best-selling movies on this market. And TYD brought back its complete budget three weeks before its release just from pre-sales!

The budget, quality and production value of Seagal's movies are way better than the average DTV movies, and - this is my opinion - are nearly reaching the level of a cinematic movie. Yes, OFAK was not the best for example, but Seagal himself hired an Academy Award winner production designer for that movie, so it is not Seagal to blame for some cheap-looking sets.
 

TDWoj

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Kcs said:
I don't think that the number one DTV actor is a D class star in the US. Don't forget that this market didn''t even exist a few years ago, and in this market there are way more movies to compete with than in cinemas. And Seagal's movies are the best-selling movies on this market. And TYD brought back its complete budget three weeks before its release just from pre-sales!

The budget, quality and production value of Seagal's movies are way better than the average DTV movies, and - this is my opinion - are nearly reaching the level of a cinematic movie. Yes, OFAK was not the best for example, but Seagal himself hired an Academy Award winner production designer for that movie, so it is not Seagal to blame for some cheap-looking sets.

are nearly reaching the level of a cinematic movie

You have GOT to be kidding.

The writing is absolutely appalling in these dtv efforts, the acting is atrocious, the actors, other than the star, are completely unknown to North American audiences (and most of them couldn't act their way out of a paper bag) and barely known elsewhere and pretty cinematography (what little there is of it) simply will not conceal the sheer overall awfulness of these dtvs.

Tiggy is right: many of the markets in which these dtvs do well accept them in all of their glorious awfulness, where North American audiences tend not to. In countries where English is not the lanugage of the country, the awfulness of the script and the bad acting can often be concealed within subtitles or dialogue rerecordings in the language of the country it's being shown in.

Steven, at the moment, isn't on any list in Hollywood, not even the D list. His day, as far as Hollywood is concerned, has come and gone. Unless he completely reinvents himself, changes his personality, his way of working and his attitude, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell we will ever see another theatrical release with him as a headliner. He simply doesn't have the audience draw he once had, and studios won't touch him with a bargepole. Once you get a "rep" for being difficult to work with, especially in this competitive age in the movie business, that'll pretty much kill your career, at least as far as working in North America goes.

(just reporting the facts. don't shoot the messenger.)
 

Tiggy

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The sad thing is, ask anyone in the know what the gossip is on SS and they laugh, look at you as though you must need a spell in a rest home for asking, and wander off to find someone intelligent to talk to. no one who wants to keep their career, wants to be associated with him, he's not even the bad boy, he's simply the lout and unsafe. Take top artiste,
Richard Gere, polite, never swears, insults or assults the woman on set, always on time, always stays until told he is clear to leave for the night (not walking out when it suits him, leaving everyone high and dry). Arrives on set/location with one assistant and studio driver, says please and thank you and knows his lines, gets to know everyone on set however humble their position, a total joy to work with. Can you imagine what it's like to suddenly have your set invaded by a huge entourage of total nobodies, who throw their weight about, devour all the food, shout,swear and ignore everyone elses needs and add god knows how much to an already stretched budget. I know I always make the same comparrison, but it's a good one, as both are supposed to be devout Buddhists - although very questionable in SS's case. Who in their right mind would cast someone who brings so much bagage, when there are so many pro's out there willing to do the job they are paid for. Even Sly Stalone never played up like Steven.
Sadly I fear it is too late for him to change, and he will go for the fast buck by quite honestly exploiting the Asian countries, he claims to care for!
 

Hallarian

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Just checkin and find the place hasn't changed.

TDWoj said:
It always amazes me how, in the face of outright falsehood, people still find ways of rationalising his untruths, just because it's Steven. :confused:

T. Woj
But on the other hand aren’t you always ready and eager to express the negative about Steven Seagal. I find it strange that the administrator of his fan club is so eager to find fault and never have anything good to say..

On the other hand there is validity to the comment about Asian translators and I experience it constantly. I have to be very careful what I say. And I think carefully before I reply too.

It isn’t only the translation of words, but also the cultural differences in meaning. I have visited Asia so often that as a compliment Japanese, Indians, and Pakistanis often refer to me as Asian and I’m as Euro-American Caucasian as anyone can be.
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Hallarian

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Have been in and out of hospitals since my last visit working in Asia and was wounded by a new bodyguard. I'm getting well now and we've been able to resolve some border differences by satelite which is a real coup since it opens new paths for the delivery of emergency services, medial supplies, blankets, and food in very rough country. Sorry to see this site in such a sad condition.
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TDWoj

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Hallarian said:
T. Woj
But on the other hand aren’t you always ready and eager to express the negative about Steven Seagal. I find it strange that the administrator of his fan club is so eager to find fault and never have anything good to say..H.

Not this again. I mention a few, hard facts, and I'm branded as being negative, finding fault, etc. etc.

Hallarian, I respect the work that you do, and I respect you for your devotion to Steven. Your devotion, however, is different than mine - which doesn't make mine less than yours, no matter how hard you try to paint me in that light.

I see him for what he is, not for what I want him to be. He has warts. I point them out from time to time. And yes, I do have the right, as a fan, to get frustrated with his shortcomings and to say so from time to time, but they haven't frustrated me enough to stop me from being a fan. At least, not so far.

What does frustrate me about being a fan is being shot down every time I make a plain statement of fact.

A simple, "I disagree with you and this is why" might encourage discourse. Telling people they have no right to be here because their opinions are not all praise and glory is a tactic to drive people away.

See how well it's worked.
 
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