Submerged - review

Nick

The Writer
Let me try to clarify something. I don’t think hofmae meant that at all. He just seems like a happy go lucky fan who might get on my and your nerves with his likeness for everything :) But he doesn’t seem harmful or like someone who would say anything mean spirited. As far as those Reviews some of them are from Fans. They just give that vibe off.

P.S And no problemo Craig. We will try to stay more on discussion and not wonder off.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Nick said:
Let me try to clarify something. I don’t think hofmae meant that at all. He just seems like a happy go lucky fan who might get on my and your nerves with his likeness for everything :) But he doesn’t seem harmful or like someone that would say anything mean spirited. As far as those Review some of them are from Fans. They just give that vibe off.
P.S And no problemo Craig. We will try to stay more on discussion and not wonder off.


Ye you are probably right Nick. ;)
 

Hallarian

New Member
I really liked Submerged and so did my very critical guests!!!

May be I and my friends are weird but we all Liked Submerged.
Each of us probably looks for something different in Steven’s films. I received my copy of submerged Friday and invited a bunch of company over for snacks and the film. I ended up with more people than planned but Half were military or ex military including some special force guys (Delta and one Seal) except who can really be certain if ex special forces people are really retired. Everybody liked Submerged a lot. We thought his Mississippi accent was a bit think in spots, especially a couple from Mississippi thought so. They are not racist but sadid in spots he sounded like “field hand black” which they have trouble understanding themselves. She is a school teachert and back in her home state she worked with children who were behind their level in school work.

So we all felt very positive about the film and asked me to have them back to do it again since I can’t lend out my copy for a week because some friends want to come see it and were not free that evening..

Sorry if other didn’t like it but I did but then I plead to being more than a little strange. One thing I hope no body ever gets that good at brain washing. I’ve worked with brain washed soldiers and a few from persons who were removed or rescued from cults. They were deeply troubled but nothing like this.

In the near future we can implant chips to control seizures, certain headaches, several types of pain. I worry when they can very easily add behavioral control on a computer chip because It’s doable and really scares me..
 

Hallarian

New Member
I'm no expert on film making but,

Reading all the earliar comments I must hAVE MISSED THE DUBBING when I watched. The only criticisms my guests had was several times somebody (military) would say C'mon Dudes, don't bunch up, that's body bag time.

But I didn't notice dubbing. In Out of Reach I thought there was dubbing or Steven may have had a strep throat.
 

Nick

The Writer
You are just weird :) Joking. Maybe next week start showing Manchurian Candidate? But I would stick with the Original. Now getting back on Topic maybe the reason why your friends liked it so much was because of the Script Consultant Joe Halpin? The “under-cover narcotics detective” who worked with Seagal previously on Into The Sun and on the upcoming Black Dawn and Today You Die. He was probably responsible for the minimal realistic influences.
 

Amos Stevens

New Member
Good to hear from you Hallarian!

Each person sees a movie in their own way & likes or dislikes it..doesn't make them WEIRD. And they should be able to post honestly their opinion of the movie without being tarred & feathered :)
(ofcourse since this is a fan web site I might suggest that you don't lay it on too thick if you dislike something-that doesn't seem to go over well)
 

Nick

The Writer
People need to seriously lighten up. I stated above I was just joking. Can anyone take a joke? I am constantly making them so get used to that :) I am cynical and critical so live with it.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
DVD Town-Submerged Review.

By James Plath (May 29, 2005)


There was a time when Steven Seagal was B-A-A-D in a campy sort of way. Now he's just bad, and whoever convinced him to make "Submerged" should be severely chastised and held up to public ridicule. Like the film.

"Submerged" is so awful it's hard to know where to begin. You get the feeling that someone got the bright idea, Hey, let's set it in Uruguay, because not a whole lot of action-film lovers know a whole lot about that tiny South American country, and so they'll be more apt to believe this far-fetched plot involving mind control and a modern version of a Nazi mad doctor gleefully performing "research" operations. Oh, and submarines are cool! Let's get them on a submarine! That's about all you can glean from this muddled mess, which substitutes pointless action at every turn for anything resembling an well-reasoned plot. There's plenty of shooting and stabbing, but it's all so strobe-like that even the action can get pretty darned annoying—especially since we're not really sure what's goin
Submerged was first conceived as a stranded sub picture involving weird life forms, but even with the mutant plotline jettisoned, this one still sinks.


g on.

Like Sean Connery's character in "The Rock," Chris Cody (Seagal) is sprung from the brig on the USS Clinton (okay all you people reading politics into "Star Wars 3," here's another chance to speculate) and promised a pardon if he'll go to Uruguay, where an American ambassador has been assassinated—by a U.S. insider. It's up to Commander Cody and his dirty baker's half-dozen to get to the bottom of things. There's Henry, a sniper (Vinnie Jones), Chief and Rollins, the small arms experts (P.H. Moriarty and Ulian Vergov), Luis, the navigator (Stephen Da Costa), O'Hearn, the dynamic entry expert (Adam Fogarty), Ender, the explosives guy (Raicho Vaslev), a medic, and a woman whose sent along by the government (Christine Adams). But none of the actors is given the chance to set themselves apart from the others, and so they're all really not much more than the equivalent of those plastic soldiers kids used to line up and knock down.

Even if you've been paying close attention, rather than squirming in your seat, using the bathroom, or fixing another snack, you still won't figure out exactly how the action shifted so quickly from a military-industrial complex to a submarine that terrorists have commandeered. All you can tell is that Cody and his bunch are shooting and stabbing everybody else on the screen.

Now, if the special effects or stunt work was spectacular, then "Submerged" might merit a star or two. But the sad fact is that nothing is believable—not even the way the fake blood is applied. And the submarine? The top of it looks like a patchwork quilt.

B-movie director Anthony Hickox ("Jill the Ripper") relies heavily on techniques that resemble skip-printing and stop-action photography during the action scenes, which, you can only guess, is intended to compensate for the lack of real special effects and believable fight sequences. Through it all, Seagal, the man of a single face, looks and acts as if he's on a subway commute. Even when the sub is blown up, his only reaction is, "Oh, man."

Other stellar lines? "That's why I get the big bucks," "I love working with a professional," and "I got a ****ty feeling about this one, man." But my absolute favorite is when the terminally Caucasian Cody tells someone, "You got 10 minutes to get your white ass out of here." O-kay.

"Submerged" offers nothing but cardboard characters, hokey dialogue, a patchwork plot, and contrived action sequences. It wouldn't be any less believable if Yoda and Condoleezza Rice had been teamed up to fight the evil doctor and his terrorist friends.

Vide



o: Though this 2005 film is mastered in High Definition and presented in anamorphic widescreen (1.85:1 aspect ratio), there's actually more graininess and washed-out color than I would have expected. Admittedly it could be deliberate, but if so, it does nothing to enhance the film.

Audio: The sound is pretty decent. Though there's nothing on the box or press materials to indicate as much, and though there's not much rear speaker action, the soundtrack appears to be Dolby Digital 5.1.

Extras: There are none—just an insert advertising other titles and some previews. Are you kidding? Who would want to talk about this film after making it?

Bottom Line: If Steven Seagal started out as a wooden actor, in the twilight of his action career, with him looking haggard and tired, he's become absolutely petrified—a low-energy caricature of his earlier balsa performances. It was hard not to like him in "Hard to Kill" or "Under Siege," because there was plenty of character motivation and Seagal seemed to be full of energy. "Submerged" was first conceived as a stranded sub picture involving weird life forms, but even with the mutant plotline jettisoned, this one still sinks.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
DVD TALK-Submerged Reveiw.

The Movie:

Wasn’t Submerged supposed to feature Steven Seagal fighting mutants on a submarine deep below the surface of the ocean? I seem to remember that being the general idea behind this one when it was announced awhile ago. Well, something happened (rewrites, I’d guess) and the mutants were completely taken out of the script and replaced with a mind control scientist guy, and apparently the submarine wasn’t that important because it’s only in the film for ten minutes. But hey, it’s a Steven Seagal movie, who cares as long as it’s got loads of ass kicking in it, right? Right. Sadly, post production tinkering rendered this puppy useless in that department too.

The plot, if you can call it that, involves a bad ass named Chris Cody (Seagal) who is sprung from military prison to lead a group of tough guys into a hot spot where they need to spring some American soldiers who are being held as prisoners of war. It seems that these unfortunate soldiers were trying to take down the mind control scientist guy, and they got captured by the bad guys when they were distracted by a woman and her exploding goats (seriously). Things go wrong, and they end up having to head on off to Montevideo where El Presidente is surprised by the rioting going on in the streets. I guess some higher ups in the government there have got ties to the mind control scientist guy, and Cody and his team of experts (we know they’re experts because when we first see them the screen freezes and flashes their name and their weapons specialty at us for a second or two – who needs character development?) will have to stop at nothing to make sure that they’re stopped once and for all. Along the way, they hang out in submarine for about ten minutes before it blows up and sinks just like the Titanic (watch for the sinking scene and you can’t help but notice this).

I swear to God, this movie was edited by an epileptic color blind six year old with attention deficit disorder. The colors in this movie are so over saturated (intentionally) and the editing is so rapid fire that at times I felt like the movie was going to give me a seizure. The angles change literally like once every five seconds. There are moments in the film where instead of showing the characters walking for a ten second clip, the filmmakers chose to cut three times in that same ten second time frame to give the effect that they’re time traveling or something. The end result is an ugly and a very, very, very retarded looking film. Everything is so hyperactive that the end result is almost unwatchable. There were times during the film, specifically during the action scenes, where there’s so much cutting and zipping and zapping and slow mo and speed up and what-the-Hell-were-they-thinking going on that I literally yelled at the screen in pain.

So why on Earth would anyone want to watch this film? Well, for the comedy. There are some truly hilarious moments, all of which relate to Seagal. First off, there’s the voice. He’s dubbed, and he’s dubbed very poorly for almost the entire film. Seeing Seagal at this point in his life swearing in a poorly dubbed Cajun accent is funny, I don’t care what anyone says. Then there’s the obvious hiding of Seagal’s body. It’s rare that you see him from the waist up, and when you do, more often than not it’s an obvious body double standing in for him. There are two scenes in which the guy in the long black leather coat doesn’t even look like Seagal, and these are the scenes where we see him from the waist down. Third, there’s an absolutely amazing moment towards the end of the film were Steve kicks a guy in the gut and sends him through a window and then about two hundred feet through the air. Did someone give Seagal (or, more accurately, his stunt double) bionic legs? Maybe if he had bionic legs, this would be possible, but the film doesn’t mention bionic legs at all, only mind control powers.

The film has some other notables involved in it, that adds to the weirdness. The director is Anthony Hickox, the man responsible for Waxwork and Hellraiser III (better known as ‘the one with the CD face Cenobite), and Gary Daniels who starred opposite Don ‘The Dragon’ Wilson in Ring Of Fire and Bloodfist IV shows up here too. William Hope of Hellraiser II (this movie has strange Hellraiser ties) and XXX has a small role, as does Vinnie Jones of Snatch. None of these people are able to stop the film from sucking like a chest wound, but they are there and I’d feel bad if I didn’t mention it.

The DVD
Video:


The 1.85.1 anamorphic widescreen does provide a nice reproduction of a crappy looking film. With the colors pumped up as high as they are in this film and with the continues cutting and what not it’s hard to really give an accurate grade to the overall picture as the quality of each shot tends to be all over the place, but for the most part, if I had to guess, I’d say that this DVD probably does a pretty accurate job of reproducing the look of the film the way that the filmmakers intended. There aren’t any mpeg compression issues, edge enhancement is minimal, and the black levels and shadows (which play in important part in hiding Seagal’s aging physique) are strong and don’t break up at all.

Sound:
The Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound track is fine. It’s not the best I’ve ever heard, but it does bring Seagal’s bad Cajun accent to life and the dialogue is clean and clear and easy to understand over top of the sound effects and ever so emotive score. There are a few scenes that do make nice use of the rear surround channels, notably a couple of the explosions and shoot outs in the film, where debris and bullets zip past you, which adds a little bit to the film – it’s still not enough to save it, but it does help a bit.

Extras:
The only extra features on this disc are a few trailers for other straight to video action movies from Columbia/Tri-Star, not that the movie really warranted anything else…

Final Thoughts:

Even the hardest of hardcore Steven Seagal fans are going to have trouble getting through this one. The filmmaker’s tried to hide the absolutely incoherent storyline by burying it in flashy post production editing and CGI silliness and all it did was make things worse. After Into The Sun I’d hoped old Stevey was on the comeback trail but this is truly bottom of the barrel stuff. It might make for a good drinking movie to watch with a group as it has quite a bit of unintentional comedy, but other than that, stay far, far, far away from Submerged. Skip it.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
MoviePages.com-Submerged Member Reviews

Submerged Movie Visitor Reviews

submerged at the opera, blub, blub, blub......
Rating : 1/5
this is not a movie... it's a video game. gawd, what happened to the art of film making??? ok, so we got to see every jerky software effect over and over, hyper saturated film (hmmmm, i wonder if there was a mistake at the processing lab?)
there was no real action to speak of, everything was shot so close up i wonder if any coreography was even used. the voice overs were covered in other reviews here... i concur. this director deserves a spanking. bad boy...
oh, wait, i guess he did good on choosing the casting team, the women on this film are certainly lovely. every one of them. otherwise i would have given this flick a -5. sheesh, somebody give me my x box controls...
Speak clearly
Rating : 3/5
A mad doctor can "train' people's minds so that he feeds them instructions on what to do. He of course uses this for evil purposes and Steven Seagal and company are sent to kill him. As in many of his more recent movies Steven is frequently dubbed as he seems unable to speak loudly enough to be heard these days. The action is good, lots of gun fights, a little bit of martial arts. The plot is OK and the supporting cast does a fine job. Steven needs to get a bit of enthusiasm about his work and stop sleepwalking through his movies though.

Voice over gone bad
Rating : 3/5
After watching the movie Submerged i thought it was pretty good for an action movie.Plenty of money spent on the budget to make it a first rate action movie.I have one question why was Stevens voice was dubbed by another actor.The thing here was the inconsistincy of the voice over.Half the time it was stevens real voice and half the time it was the actor hired to dub his voice.It didnt fool me for one second.The actor,didnt get it quite right though with certian speech inflection that only steven has and it was easy to spot when the dubs occured.It was a little annoying at times when the dubs were mouthed in.Overall if you can forget about the voice dubbing it was one of stevens better movies lately.
 

Hallarian

New Member
A few of us watched the film agaib and caught the dubbing.

We figured it was only about 7% and could not understand the reason why they did it.

My dog couldn't understand why the TV called his name a few times. It's the first time someone besides my Cody used that name. Maybe i should charge Steven rent for the use of Cody's name.
 

hofmae

New Member
Hallarian said:
We figured it was only about 7% and could not understand the reason why they did it.

My dog couldn't understand why the TV called his name a few times. It's the first time someone besides my Cody used that name. Maybe i should charge Steven rent for the use of Cody's name.

Yeah thats what i said... There is not soooooo much dubbing... Maybe im really wrong, but i can't hear dubbing through the whole movie...!
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Hallarian said:
We figured it was only about 7% and could not understand the reason why they did it.

My dog couldn't understand why the TV called his name a few times. It's the first time someone besides my Cody used that name. Maybe i should charge Steven rent for the use of Cody's name.


It was way more than that, it was basically the entire film Seagal's voice was doubed except for some parts when Seagal spoke.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
My Submerged Review.

My Submerged Reveiw:

Plot:
First the plot was said to be Seagal battling mutant zombies under the sea, then it was changed to Chris Cody summoned by his military prison cell and promised presidential pardon after he completes his mission. The C.I.A. wants Cody to uncover and terminate the deadly operation of a brainwashing program that is under operation, gathering soldiers and brainwashing them for evil comands.
First of all I thought the plot was interesting and had so much potential, it kind of reminded me of Van Damme's Universal Soldier. If more time and money was spent on this film the plot could have been entertaining but the way it was presented in this film was just plain boring and corny. If they spent more time on the story line and added more detail it could have been much better.
The movie is titled Submerged yet they spent very little time in the submarine, I thought the whole film would kind of be like Under Siege where they are at sea and submerged but the majority of the film didn't even take place under water.

Action/Fight Scenes:
Whenever you here Steven Seagal's name you immediatley think of him for his action and fight scenes. Those fantastic fight scenes he brought to the silver screen when he was on top of the action world. I have to say I was very dissapointed with the action and fight scenes in this film. The only fight scene I actually was impressed with was between those to girls that had a little alterscation in the submarine. For as Seagal's two very short fights, the one with Gary Daniels was just way too short and something we all have seen before from Seagal. There was nothing new about it so basically when I saw that very short scene I said, seen that been there kind of attitude. Especially when Seagal had Gary Daniels in his film, a great martial artist, I expected to see something a little more unique from these two great martial artists that could have pulled something better off.
The gun fights and car chases we have seen them all before and I was not impressed.

Appearance:
Seagal did not look that good in the film. He looked better than he did in Belly Of The Beast and Out Of Reach but in Into The Sun he looked better. I didn't like what Segal was wearing that green shirt with that diry brown "general's" leather jacket. The reason why most of the scenes Seagal was in were so dark was simply so we would not get a clear view of Seagal's aging features and his weight. One positive thing to say about his appearance, I did like him wearing the black suit when he was going to the opera, I think he looks good in black.

Acting:
It was obvious the acting was done by B-movie actors, even this Vinnie Jones guy looked like he was a B-movie actor. The acting was very corny and obviously you could tell these were all Direct To Video actors because it simply was not believeable and the characters the way they acted put little emotion in to their character.

Dubbing:
That was just ridiculous. This Seagal film had the most dubbing out of all the Seagal films. It was just laughable and it made me want to turn the movie off. Already with no action, a silly plot, and then the dubbing. People who say oh it was just dubbed a little or 7% either have to be dumb or deaf because basically the entire film Seagal's voice was dubbed accept for some scenes when they actually used Seagal's voice then switched right back to the fake dubbed voice.

Overall:
I was very dissapointed in Submerged. I knew from the beginning I would not be appealed with this one. The dubbing, the little to no action, I was just not pleased as a Seagal fan. After making Into The Sun which was a great DTV movie, he just went down hill with Submerged. As a matter of fact the title explains it all for this DVD. I think this film was better than Out Of Reach, but I thought Out For A Kill, Belly Of The Beast, The Foreigner, and Into The Sun were all better than this film. I just want to see more fight scenes and action from Seagal. The only good this film did for me was put another film into my Seagal and movie collection.
I am awaiting for Today You Die because I have a feeling this will be his best DTV so far.

My Rating Of Submerged:

A low 2 1/2 Out Of 5 Stars.
 

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Nick

The Writer
Great Review Little Dragon :) I think you mostly nailed everything I will post next week or so. Maybe I should even copy paste your quotes to save time writing the same thing :) And I also enjoyed yankeefaithfull's Review. I am just happy to see some Reviews which are not in the vein of “I love everything he does”. I keep telling people he isn’t god. Not everything his hand touches turns to gold.

Another One From Amazon:

Steven Seagal in another lackluster production -- Surprised?, June 5, 2005

Ever since Steven Seagal did his first direct-to-video movie, "The Patriot" (1998), which was so horrible that HBO bought the rights to it for a measly $1.3 million, his career has spiraled downward. It almost seems that "Exit Wounds" (2001) was going to relaunch his career, especially when it pulled ina staggering $60+ million in its opening weekend. But then, he followed that film with "Half Past Dead" (2002), a $30 million project that barely achieved half of what it costs at the box office. Ever since that completely awful film, Seagal has been strictly doing direct-to-DVD projects. In fact, "Submerged" (2005) is actually the seventh movie that we've seen him star in since 2002, and you might be surprised to learn that he's attached to five more projects as I write this. for whatever reason, though his name doesn't demand that kind of box office receipts that he once received, direct-to-DVD movies seem to be giving him a steady flow of work. I think that there are people out there that still respect Seagal, and hope that he is involved with a smash hit once again. I myself, continue to rent his movies that continue to come out, despite how disappointed I usually am from his previous attempt.

So does "Submerged" (2005) succeed? No. Although arguably not as horrible as some of his other projects, Seagal doesn't have much of a personality in the film. His acting abilities really haven't gotten better, and his Cajoun accent just doesn't work (it's even worse than his Russian accent in"The Foreigner"). Even worse, despite being the executive producer of the film, his voice is dubbed in a number of sequences by another actor entirely -- which makes it even more disjointed. The action sequences consist of everybody standing out in the open while shooting -- nobody really seems to duck for cover. Though it's nice to see that Seagal isn't using a body double for the martial art sequences this time around, which he did in "Belly of the Beast" (2003), but he is only involved in TWO hand-to-hand combat sequence is in the entire movie. One with Gary Daniels (who is an accomplished martial artist, and even fought Jackie Chan on-screen before), which is a fairly quick knife fight that doesn't even come close to energy or complexity that the two other films we've seen Seagal do this in, "Under Siege" (1992) and "Under Siege 2" (1995). The other sequence is over so quickly that you could easily miss it if you weren't looking. Once again, Seagal sticks with the philosophy that nobody else is good enough to even score a hit on his body. We've certainly seen "mind control" premises before (which is the overall plot), but the subject matter doesn't really go anywhere new. There's also an extraneous amount of "quick cutting" during certain moments that is so unrefined -- your eyes will have a hard time focusing. It's even more jumbled than your typical Michael Bay production, and goes beyond that traditional MTV-vibe that crops up every once and awhile.

I've enjoyed Steven Seagal movies in the past, and I continued to watch every production of his that still comes out today, by it really seems that virtually none of the action stars that we've come to know from the 1980s and 90s have continued their success past 2000. Most notably, Jean-Claude Van Damme and Chuck Norris -- it's obvious that fans are still entertained by these actors today, but they don't demand a type of success that they once had. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger, possibly the biggest action star of the '90s, has had a number of lackluster movie projects, one after another. After a number of years, he eventually moved on to become the governor of California. Maybe Seagal should either become extremely serious about extending his acting abilities, or give up always having the starring role and become a well-established martial arts choreographer for Hollywood films. Just like Van Damme, Seagal's continuing efforts on a direct-to-DVD front just keep getting worse. "Submerged" is no exception, and it doesn't contain anything that we haven't seen before from other numerous action films. Please rent this movie first, if you absolutely must, because I know many of you out there are curious if Seagal has returned to his former glory. He hasn't... but you'll feel worse if you spend $20 to buy this DVD.
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
I've seen it.

I've seen Submerged yesterday and to be honest...........not a true Seagal movie.

The opening-titles look good and promiss something good, but then the opening scene starts and you fear for the rest of the movie. Lousy acting, crappy fx's.

In the entire movie Seagal has three (actually 2,25) fight sequences that in total last for about ten seconds of the movie, not impressing, bad camerawork and very bad coreography.

Seagals really acts like crap and looks at some point in the movie old and very tired. In the first scene of Seagal you will get the shock of your life, he's fatter then he's ever been before. Unbelievable, he almost looks as fat as Bud Spencer. He moves like he's got a surfboard in his clothes and the dubbing of his voice is hilarious. Even his front kick doesn't come any higher dan his knee.

The other English/American actors do their best to make something of this movie and it works. They make it an enjoyable movie (action/thriller) that's entertaining to the last minute.

So if you're gonna watch, don't pay any attention to Seagal and the East European actors and it becomes a fun movie. Not to much action, a little suspense and some fun.

The three actors who are most entertaining are Vinnie Jones (Henry), Luis (don't know the actors real name) and Gary Daniels (dr. Lehder (the bad guy)).

All in all not a very bad movie, but don't watch it when you expect a real ass-kicking Seagal movie. For that we'll have to wait for Today You Die i think.

Peace
 

ZenLateralus

Disposition Seagal
Well, I think you all know my thoughts on this. I don't really give good reviews to any Seagal movie after Exit Wounds. For some reason my parent's rented Submerged to watch themselves. Funny that I really had no interest in bothering. I watched about a half an hour of the movie and find that Seagal's screen presence was low quality when it was him. Wearing a large coat to hide his body? Also, the majority of the time it was supposed to be him talking it was dubbed over clearly by someone else. For Steven Seagal to get a good rating from me he'll have to at least do a well produced movie in which he acts and uses his own voice. Also, he needs to get people who can write a better script. Probably 90% of us on this site can write a better story than what we've been seeing.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
ZenLateralus said:
Well, I think you all know my thoughts on this. I don't really give good reviews to any Seagal movie after Exit Wounds. For some reason my parent's rented Submerged to watch themselves. Funny that I really had no interest in bothering. I watched about a half an hour of the movie and find that Seagal's screen presence was low quality when it was him. Wearing a large coat to hide his body? Also, the majority of the time it was supposed to be him talking it was dubbed over clearly by someone else. For Steven Seagal to get a good rating from me he'll have to at least do a well produced movie in which he acts and uses his own voice. Also, he needs to get people who can write a better script. Probably 90% of us on this site can write a better story than what we've been seeing.


I totally agree with you Zen!!
 

Nick

The Writer
This Could Be A Repost But I Am To Lazy To Check. Anyways:

Bury it at Sea(Even as a Fan I can admit this is quite a clever Title. Almost as clever as "His Career Has Submerged")

It’s amazing how productive some actors can be once they descend from the silver screen to the direct to DVD ghetto. Stars like Wesley Snipes who had frequently taken extended vacations from filming can suddenly be found peaking out from new spots on the video rental shelf several times a year. I suppose it gets harder to make those Ferrari payments, or perhaps they fear the new mailman won’t know who they are. Whatever the case, no one has been more prolific in recent years than action icon Steven Seagal. Since falling off Hollywood’s radar screen in 2002 he’s been on a relentless campaign to make his corny box office hits of old look like “Citizen Kane.” From 2003 to 2004 he released five films, and has another six due out this year. His latest opus is the thriller "Submerged,” and I’ll pause here for a moment while you make witty puns about the state of his career.

All done? Great. Seagal’s previous outing “Into the Sun” was actually a mild return to form. Not just because he was looking fitter than normal, but also in terms of acting and production values. The action was still rather wanting, so I hoped “Submerged” would complete his redemption. No such luck, as Seagal tumbles head over heels down the slippery slope again. To start with the title is a misnomer. A pleasant surprise really, since I’ve seen my fill of submarine films already. Only about a quarter of the film is spent underwater, and the rest is a confusing mishmash of psychological thriller and conventional action. The latter I always welcome, but the former is an odd fit here. Early on the screenwriter seems to be setting up a horror movie, but then is apparently replaced by a retarded baboon and the story veers all over the place. Maybe my potassium intake is too low, but after a while all I could do is laugh really. If that’s good enough for you, then pull up a six-pack and climb aboard.

At the U.S. Embassy in the Uruguayan capital Montevideo, Secret Service agents are briefing the ambassador on a terrorist base when they suddenly go haywire and kill her, then themselves. In Washington intelligence analyst Dr. Chappell (Christine Adams) concludes some sort of mind control device must have been used. A Delta Force commando team is sent to Uruguay to investigate, but they are quickly ambushed and captured. Taken to the terrorist base, they are brainwashed by megalomaniacal scientist Adrian Lehder (Nick Brimble). The Navy recruits prisoner Chris Cody (Steven Seagal) and his talented crew of misfit military inmates to take Chappell and special agent Fletcher (William Hope) to destroy the facility and kill Lehder. In exchange they will be freed and cleared of alleged misconduct. Suspicious, Cody quickly jettisons Fletcher, who turns out to be in league with the enemy. He tips off Lehder and they quickly abandon the facility, leaving behind a few American prisoners as Trojan horses. One team of Cody’s men commandeers a submarine while the others secure the base and rescue the prisoners. The team fights its way past a tank, destroys the base, and escapes on the sub. Although they consider the mission over, they soon discover they have become the hunted, and race to find Lehder before his deadly drones claim them all.

Having taken a breather in “Into the Sun,” Seagal’s one note goofy political commentary makes a halfhearted return in Submerged. Target number one comes as no surprise to the sad, deluded fans of “On Deadly Ground”: large corporations. However, in contrast to the usual environmentalist grandstanding, this time the message is a bit vague. Cody tells Lehder’s corporate backer that mind control is dangerous when “private enterprise” uses it “for their own agenda.” Meaning I suppose that he wouldn’t be bothered if Kim Jong Il had this technology, but heaven forbid Proctor & Gamble inflate their shampoo sales. This confusing liberal assertion is supported by a recycled conservative threat echoing Sylvester Stallone’s Cobra: “You’ve now become poison… I’m the antidote.” And this conservative trend continues when the film takes a surprising swipe at the UN, claiming they slandered Cody’s men for using excessive force when they were just doing their job. Could it be that Seagal fears his traditionally liberal agenda is costing him DVD sales in today’s climate? Presuming that the typical “Submerged” purchaser would be capable of discerning the finer nuances of the “poison” speech.

The film has a large cast, though most of the D-list talent comes and goes with little consequence. Everyone’s favorite pony tailed Buddha dominates the scenes he’s in, though not by weight of performance. Seagal’s comical tough guy entrance is announced by thunderous heavy metal as he lumbers awkwardly into frame with all the menace of a pregnant hippo. Seldom confused with Olivier, Seagal takes his delivery to a new level of woodenness. Early on he seems to be experimenting with a cheesy Cajun accent, but soon loses interest and spends the rest of the picture affecting a bad cold. Or possibly one his doubles was called in to do some stunt acting. Guy Ritchie film veteran Vinnie Jones displays more charisma than the rest of the cast combined as Cody’s right hand man Henry. Seagal cleverly avoids being upstaged by keeping the two separate most of the time. Adams is consistently stiff, and her face is fixed in a disconcertingly intense gaze as if she were giving her agent the evil eye. Hope is a passable slimeball, and Brimble hams it up as if a “Young and the Restless” role were on the line.

Alas, Seagal’s fists of fury have long since relaxed to mild irritation, and his brief sparring time is relatively unexceptional. His final fight does show some of the classic Seagal viciousness, but is over in a flash and framed so tightly that anyone could be in some of those shots. Most of the film’s action is instantly forgettable B movie stuff, but late in the game there’s a surprisingly decent car chase and a fairly tense showdown during an opera performance. I bet you never thought you’d see that in a Seagal film.

Of course the real joy in watching his recent works is noting all the cheesy budgetary shortcuts and preposterous plot points. First off the film turns out not to be shot in South America at all, but in Bulgaria (!). Was this really the best stand-in available? Surely Mexico would have been cheap. Although I confess they did fool me in the urban scenes. I guess the film’s budget was concentrated in its second half, because early on some embarrassingly obvious models and stock footage are paraded in front of the camera. The comedy is solid throughout though. On the sub intelligence expert Chappell explains to jarhead Cody that she is along because of Lehder’s high tech project, then inexplicably thrusts a disc of complex technical data into his meaty hands for analysis (!). The silliness increases when she belatedly reveals she knew well and good that the prisoners they risked their lives to rescue have become psychotic killers past the point of no return. Gee, that would have been nice to know before they killed half the crew. Later at the opera Seagal convinces the Uruguayan president that he is the new U.S. ambassador while wearing one of his long gaudy coats and no tie. I guess it’s only a matter of time before Snoop Dogg gets his first diplomatic post.

Like other recent Seagal releases the disc contains no special features at all. I suppose they reasoned that since the shoddy special effects methods used were so laughably obvious no further explanation was necessary. I would have liked some background on the design of Seagal’s stunt toupee though.

Let’s face it; you weren’t really expecting a good movie. Those guys left during the first paragraph. All you wanted was something you could get drunk and throw popcorn at. I’m happy to report that “Submerged” presents a rich target. Sure, I miss the excitement of the old days, but Seagal has matured, and like a fine wine, he goes well with cheese.

Submerged (2005) from Johnny Web

Some day I expect to hear this on the Oscars: "And the award for the best actor goes to ...

Bulgaria."

Bulgaria has now shown an acting versatility that would make Alec Guinness envious. You think DeNiro made an impressive physical metamorphosis in Raging Bull? Well, I ask you this: could DeNiro play the part of Uruguay? OK, maybe he could play Paraguay or Bolivia, I'll give you that, but how could Mr. Method Acting Genius fake a coastline?

You will note the incredible attention to detail in Bulgaria's clever disguise shown to the right.

That is just so wrong in so many ways.

First of all, it's a neo-classical building with an elaborate bas-relief placed just above ... an obviously tacked-on paper sign with the name of the building.

Second, it is not one paper sign, but two, and you can see they aren't aligned properly! The right side is lower.

Third, it's a "national opera", not a "city opera", and would therefore be the "Opera Nacional de Uruguay." Think about it, if Canada had a National Opera Company headquartered in Ottawa, would their building say National Opera of Canada, or National Opera of Ottawa? Get my drift? Ottawa is not a nation. Neither is Montevideo.

Oh, well. I guess it might have been worse. At least it wasn't written in the Cyrillic alphabet, like some of the street signs in "Montevideo."

I have to say one thing for the director of this film. He has a sense of humor. Note the frame to the left, picturing that mighty warship, the USS Clinton.
I suppose it is only right that the most powerful naval vessel should be named after Bill Clinton. After all, he's the one President most closely associated with seamen.

I don't think it should be stationed in the Atlantic, however. It should be permanently moored in Bangkok. And of course, they should never assign female officers to the Clinton, for fear they will go down on it. To be honest, the USS Clinton should really have been a sub. Not only are they associated with going down, but that would certainly give new meaning to "raising the periscope" and "blowing the ballast".

In the film, however, the USS Clinton was a carrier that never came to port. It stayed permanently at sea for strategic reasons. When it needed anything, it was simply serviced by the USS Lewinsky.

OK, I got that out of my system. Back to the movie.

Submerged could have been entered in The Simpsons' famous Stock Footage Film Festival. Every time they needed an establishing shot of the exterior of the mighty USS Clinton, the director showed stock newsreel footage - and each time it was a different carrier! Sometimes the changes were pretty obvious. First we're looking at a conventional Forrestal-class carrier with a big number 62 painted on it. (Naval records show that to be the now-decommissioned Independence, below left.) Then we're looking at a larger nuclear carrier with a big ol' 65 painted on it. (That would be the Enterprise, below right.) Even a landlubber like me can see that the fokkin' jumbo-ass numbers are different!

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Did I mention that I'm supposed to be talking about a Steven Seagal movie? The big fella's career keeps making wild swerves. In the earlier part of this decade, it seemed that he was all but through. In 2003, his weight was out of control and he made back-to-back awful movies directed by Michael Oblowitz: The Foreigner and Out for a Kill. Then, somehow, miraculously, Seagal made a partial comeback. He took greater control of his projects, helped with the script ideas, moved back into Asian locales, and slimmed down enough to throw out his muu-muus and do his own fight scenes. The next three films were a marked improvement over those two earlier disasters.
I'm sad to say that Submerged represents a backslide for the Weighty Warrior. It isn't as bad as those two Oblowitz films, but it's near the bottom of Seagal's career achievements.

And being near the bottom of Seagal's filmography is ... well, this isn't some picky guy like Edward Norton or John Casale we're talking about here, this is Seagal. Even his best film of the present century is only rated 5.29, and that's not for lack of trying. He makes two per year. But his best films, and even his mediocre films like Belly of the Beast, are fun for Seagal fans, and there must still be plenty of those because the man keeps working.

Frankly, Seagal can't be blamed for the quality of this movie. It is just a bad project in general, and it is not tailored for the Chinless Commando in any way. The Conquering Chowhound plays the generic leader of a bunch of generic bad-ass mercenaries. The role doesn't call for any martial arts expertise; doesn't take place in Asia; doesn't even make use of any of Seagal's interest in Asian cultures - not one fokkin' ceremonial sword in the entire film. The story is supposed to take place in Uruguay although, as we've already noted, the role of Uruguay is played by Bulgaria. When the action is not in Uruguay/Bulgaria, it is on a submarine which, given Seagal's girth, is not the ideal locale for action scenes involving the Full-Figured Fighter. I imagine they had to enlarge the opening just to get him in there. The premise of the film involves mind-control, ala The Manchurian Candidate. An evil doctor has devised a method to trigger post-brainwashing suggestions through radio waves generated through his hand-held computer and transmitted by satellite. Using his evil iPod, he exercises mind control over various human puppets. The Uruguayan government wants this power. The Uruguayan rebels want this power. Uruguayan corporations want this power. Amazingly, however, nobody outside of Uruguay wants this power, not even from across the bay in Buenos Aires. I guess his evil iPod only works within the range of his wi-fi provider in Sofia - er, I mean Montevideo.

Anyway the movie is grade-Z crap, and almost completely without life. Seagal has never exactly been Samuel L Jackson in the flamboyance department to begin with, but here he mumbles all of his lines more quietly than ever, and his laid-back style is matched by several others in the film. Even the evil scientist is more pragmatic than sinister. The film would be almost totally devoid of flair except for the presence of Vinnie Jones, who plays Seagal's second-in-commando with his usual working class tough guy panache.
 

yankeefaithfull

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I'm probally one of the biggest Seagal fans out there but even i can't make excuses for the guy anymore, especially after "Submerged". I wish he kept in better shape while he got older- other stars do it who aren't even into martial arts. Christ, the guy was always known for kicking ass with an attitude and had some really cool fight sequences in his movies but now it's become a joke. I was surprised i liked "Into The Sun"- IMO that was his best straight to DVD movie he's done- i even liked the song he wrote & sang at the end of the movie. But the dubbing has got to go in his latest flicks- i laugh at anyone who truely thought "Submerged" was a good Seagal movie- you either must not be a true Seagal fan, are a young kid, or just have horrible taste in Seagal movies. I have always loved Seagal for his Aikido skills and bone crushing moves but the fact that with all that money he made off his good movies- why couldn't he stayed motivated and stay in shape- look at Clint Eastwood for christs sake- he's 70 something!! Granted Seagal would polverise Clint but thats not the point! What i Really think Seagal should do is get together with that pussy Van Dam and make a movie with him, with Seagal kicking his ass of course. But fans have always bantered back and forth about who would kick who's ass in a fight (Seagal VS Van Dam)- and i quarentee that would be a money maker- just get Warner Bothers to sign on and there you go- instant classic. Lets call it......Steven Seagal in- "**** You and Die" with Seagal snapping Van Dams neck at the end.
 

hofmae

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yankeefaithfull said:
I'm probally one of the biggest Seagal fans out there but even i can't make excuses for the guy anymore, especially after "Submerged". I wish he kept in better shape while he got older- other stars do it who aren't even into martial arts. Christ, the guy was always known for kicking ass with an attitude and had some really cool fight sequences in his movies but now it's become a joke. I was surprised i liked "Into The Sun"- IMO that was his best straight to DVD movie he's done- i even liked the song he wrote & sang at the end of the movie. But the dubbing has got to go in his latest flicks- i laugh at anyone who truely thought "Submerged" was a good Seagal movie- you either must not be a true Seagal fan, are a young kid, or just have horrible taste in Seagal movies. I have always loved Seagal for his Aikido skills and bone crushing moves but the fact that with all that money he made off his good movies- why couldn't he stayed motivated and stay in shape- look at Clint Eastwood for christs sake- he's 70 something!! Granted Seagal would polverise Clint but thats not the point! What i Really think Seagal should do is get together with that pussy Van Dam and make a movie with him, with Seagal kicking his ass of course. But fans have always bantered back and forth about who would kick who's ass in a fight (Seagal VS Van Dam)- and i quarentee that would be a money maker- just get Warner Bothers to sign on and there you go- instant classic. Lets call it......Steven Seagal in- "**** You and Die" with Seagal snapping Van Dams neck at the end.

For me it was a "good" movie. Although its not a typicall Steven Seagal movie like i said. I love the older movies much more than this one... But its a Seagal Movie that makes me happy. And i found that this movie is not soo bad, good Actionscenes, some suspense. Its really ok i think!
 
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