Will Aikido be replaced by Daito-ryu in the next two Decade

Gary l like you!!!!!
You seem have a great experience in daito-ryu. You are a student of Takumakaï daito-ryu: a great school. I'm from Kodokaï daito-ryu.

You wrote "the aiki power elements that are dominating, yet not necessarily . . . deadly." i like this sentence:it is a clear view of Aiki.

Maybe you know that in Kodokaï, the aiki power is very present in all techniques, so i want to know what is your experience in Aiki technique????
 

Gary Gabelhouse

New Member
Aikido vs. Daitoryu Aikijujitsu

Hello All,

Isoyama wrote: I tend to agree with you Gary except that there are a few aikido styles that retain much of the influence of the kicks and strikes from the Daito-ryu schools. Two that stand out to me are Yoshinkan and Iwama-ryu. I would also throw in the Tenshin aikido of Seagal Sensei.

Gary Responds: Hello Isoyama. I am not aware of those two schools. Must say, I'd tend to favor such Aikido training ;-) Glad to hear of them. My Karate teacher, John Roseberry-Hanshi, studied Aikido under Robert Tan. That school also retained much, if not most of the Daitoryu. I was told by my teacher that many of Ueshiba O-Sensei's students FIRST learned Daitoryu from him. When he created Aikido while at the Naval War College in 1942, many of his students did not make the full transition. Hence, you find some "Old Style" Aikido out there with punches, kicks and controls.

Isoyama Wrote: Tend to agree here too except for the schools named above. Don't know if you have ever seen Isoyama Sensei in action but his movement is very sharp and he uses very small circular movements. I would also throw in that Daito-ryu tends to emphasize throwing uke straight down or close to the body so that controlling techniques can be used while aikido emphasizes more outward projections.

Gary Responds: Agree all the way--especially about planting the uke rather than sailing him/her. Personally, due much to my karate training (Goju Ryu is a very in-close fighting system) as well as the ease of exerting the control techniques of Daitoryu, I want 'em down close.

Isoyama Wrote: I tend to agree with this in most if not all aikido schools. Aikido tends to emphasize throwing the opponent outward. I think Ueshiba developed this idea from Randori and taking on multiple attackers. It isn't a good idea to throw opponents at your feet if there are many attackers. I would want them projected outward and away from me because you are not going to be able to control many attackers.

Gary Responds: Interesting thought Isoyaman--makes sense, too. In all of the old randori videos I've seen of Ueshiba O-Sensei (transferred from old film), he does seem to lean toward demonstrating defense from multiple opponents.

Hey Daitoryu Fighter, thanks for the kind words. As to Aiki...kind of difficult to talk/write about. Regardless, I find Aiki most evident in defense of wrist grabs and especially when attacked and grabbed by multiple opponents. Of course, there is the Aiki used to plant a body down hard, barely touching them--same Aiki--different channel. ;-) Again, easier to train and "do" since it's hard to write about.

As to comparing Seagal-Sensei's style of Aikido to my Daitoryu . . . I've always thought Seagal-Sensei's Aikido was very Daitoryu'esque--very.

Again, thanks for the kind words Daitoryu Fighter and thank you Isoyama for your interesting discussion and for offering your insights on Daitoryu and Aikido.

Best Regards,
Gary Gabelhouse
 

Isoyama

New Member
Gary Wrote: As to comparing Seagal-Sensei's style of Aikido to my Daitoryu . . . I've always thought Seagal-Sensei's Aikido was very Daitoryu'esque--very.

Isoyama: I tend to agree. Seagal Sensei uses a ton of strikes and kicks as well as very sharp throws and movement. Of course, his teacher was Isoyama Sensei.
 

Reservoir Dog

MRKD4DTH
So if daito-ryu and aikido are two different styles, then is hapkido a combination of the two?


"Chance Favors the Prepared Mind"
 
Dear Gary,
You wrote "As to Aiki...kind of difficult to talk/write about"

i'm totally agree with this (http://www.steven-seagal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2723). I tried to explain it to the board but it was difficult for people to understant it.

Dear Reservor Dog
The funder of Hapkido was a student of Takeda Sensei in daito-ryu. But as he was not a Japanese Takeda didn't teach him all secrets of daito-ryu techniques. Jujutsu techniques were partially taught and the most important, there are no Aiki techniques in Hapkido. So in HApkido there are some jujutsu techniques of daito like shionage, sankyo etc with others influances of others martial arts that Funder of Hapkido learnt...........So Hapkido is not a combination of daito and Aikido, it is a martial art that contains some jujutsu techniques of daito (and so of Aikido) combined with some corean style martial arts.
 

Kido Ryu

Reverand Member
Hello everyone. :)
It has been some time since the last time I visited.
It's nice to see some other jujitsu artist here.
I just have a few comments on and off the topic.
In my opinion I don't see Daito Ryu Replacing Aikido. There is no doubt that they are closely related, but they have different aspects to offer a student which will draw him/her toward the given style.

That being said I wanted to touch on some of the latter comments.

Jujitsu simply translated - Combat techniques

This would imply that the techniques would be used to kill or maim the opponent. This is not to say that is the only way a technique can be executed.

In my opinion it's a lot like having a gun and not needing it. vs. Needing one and not having it.
Just a thought :D

History 101
Jutitsu has become a lost art since Admiral Perry introduced the Japanese to the western world thus ending the shogun rule. Ultimately the Japanese were thrust into the modern world eager to gain industry and western culture. This created the common belief that jujitsu was out dated and thus lead to it's becoming unpopular.

Jujitsu is a very complicated art, various styles of modern martial arts have jujitsu roots but they have taken a single aspect of the art and focused on it.

Most of the Jujitsu styles today are formulated from combining these different styles together in a manor that is effective in today’s world.
Simply stated; they have taken these various arts and put them back together like a jig-saw puzzle in an effort to keep Jujitsu from fading away completely.

Point of interest: traditional jujitsu is a battle art. They didn't teach much in the way of kicks because on the battle-field the warriors were wearing armor so kicks were less than useless.

One more thing: Korean MA are really Japanese styles. Japan occupied Korea and outlawed any teaching that was not Japanese.

Respectfully,
Rev.Dean
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
Very interesting, and well said.

Kido Ryu - exactly!

Korea as well as Taiwan were both colonies of Japan before World War II.
It's good that you pointed that out.
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
First of all I am new to the forum, so hello to you all. I would just like to comment on the fact that I highly doubt Daito Ryu will surpass Aikido in the near future. Although Aikido is derived from Daito Ryu there are other elements as well. And as with the passing of time, certain individuals add touches to thier Aikido. I beleive both arts are great and each has it's place.
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
Thank you Yudansha! I appreciate it very much. From what I have seen, everyone seems very nice and we all share a common interest in the martial arts. I think this is great!!!!
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
A little tip ... but it's all fun anyways.

Tenshinaikidoka stick around and you'll enjoy yourself. The only tip from me would be not to take anything personally, as some members here could get a little 'touchy' about certain issues.
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
Thank you again Yudansha. I have seen some of the comments by some members and see what you are talking about. I am glad however, I am not one to take much of anything too personally.
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
From what did the founder create aikido

According to most sources of the subject of aikido history, in a technical sense ueshiba morehei was probably inspired mostly by the budo he trained under takeda sokaku sensei, but aikido was created by him during a long process during which he was most certainly influenced by his training in other bujutsu arts. Most notably his spear, and sword training (within and/or outside formal arts). A budoka of like him who trained every day since he was a boy and with his talent, after a while he just integrated everything he saw and felt, into his budotraining. If he e.g. saw some kata of the sword school kashima shin ryu, he would se through it and grasp the essence quickly.
All that and yet that was only 50% of what aikido is. The other half evolved out of the moral and ethical standard that grew in him, most probably heavily influenced from his experience of the war and his strong religious beliefs. He would build up during his lifetime a body that was filled with understanding of bujutsu and he would morph that according to the philosophy that was evolving within him during the last years of the war and the rest of his life. In this sence the techniques in the last 20 years of his life always correlated to his philosophy.
Aikido.

/J
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
Could not have said it better myself Aikilove, your knowledge is vast. And I must say, being new to this I think everyone is great!!!!
 

Gary Gabelhouse

New Member
Aikido's Age

Hello Lewis,

Aikido was created by Morei Ueshiba while at the Navy War School in Japan--in 1942. Before Aikido, Morei Ueshiba taught Daitoryu Aikijujitsu. Aikido is one of the newest Asian martial arts we have.

Best Regards!
Gary Gabelhouse
 
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