I think we all need to face facts.....

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dscpotts

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I am a Steven segal fan, probably not as big a fan as some of you on here (from what I read), but I do know a good film, good action sequences and good fight scenes when I see them.

Steven's new films just ain't any good. His films are based around his martial art, which hardly feature in his films anymore, and when they do, a double is used. Remember Ticker when everyone came to the conclusion that the fights were filmed like that because the director only had Steven on set for a few days, and wasn't even there for the second fight etc etc, well after watching HPD and the Foreigner, Ticker's fights were probably the better ones (sadly).

The films don't have the well made glossy look his Warner Bros film had, I don't know if this is down to the director or not, but they just don't seem the same. For example, Just compare Exit wounds to anything that has come after it. Maybe a big director can demand Steven do some work, where as a little known Director can be walked on if Steven is feeling a bit lazy.

Anyway, I hope he get a call from warner's soon, as my wife has had enough of me saying "I've got the New Seagal film, lets watch it" then after the film "what a load of sh!t that was", in the case of the Foreigner "what on earth was that all about"
 
Lotussan

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
All I can say is things change in this life...I think he pretty much does what he wants nowadays...I think a person in his position must have a pretty hard time letting people tell them what to do all the time...I don't know for sure, but I don't think he will ever be working with warner again in the way he used to...He was under a contract then, and now he has his own company...I agree the foriegner was hard to follow...But I really did appreciate his shooting abilities...I really liked Exit Wounds too...What was so bad about HPD?
 
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dscpotts

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What was so bad about HPD?

The fact that there was another patty cake fight, in which he provided the face and hands, and little else. when he first goes in the prison and he hits the guard, 3 of them then pin him to the wall, that wouldn't have happened in any other film.

But anyway, at the end of the day, a Steven segal film to me means Action and fighting, which is done by Steven himself. HPD had both, but none done by steven.

I went back and looked at all his other fight scenes in his early films, I just cant see why he can't do a scene or two like that again, I doubt if his weight has anything to do with it, because as he states in the intro to Above the Law, he watched a little frail old man do magical things, so size means nothing.

maybe it is the quality of the director?
 
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rastafari

Well-Known Member
well the director of ofak is the same as foreinger and the man doing botb is a hong kong martial arts director wo that might be quite good.i agree though the new films are not as good as his first 4 films.
 
Mama San

Mama San

Administrator
As everyone knows, I like all of his films.
However, I don't know anyone who would
want to play "patty cake" with Steven (like
in his films) and end up taking some very
hard falls. He is an extremely powerful man.
God bless,
Mama san
 
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MMCK2

New Member
Originally posted by dscpotts
I am a Steven segal fan, probably not as big a fan as some of you on here (from what I read), but I do know a good film, good action sequences and good fight scenes when I see them.

Steven's new films just ain't any good. His films are based around his martial art, which hardly feature in his films anymore, and when they do, a double is used. Remember Ticker when everyone came to the conclusion that the fights were filmed like that because the director only had Steven on set for a few days, and wasn't even there for the second fight etc etc, well after watching HPD and the Foreigner, Ticker's fights were probably the better ones (sadly).

The films don't have the well made glossy look his Warner Bros film had, I don't know if this is down to the director or not, but they just don't seem the same. For example, Just compare Exit wounds to anything that has come after it. Maybe a big director can demand Steven do some work, where as a little known Director can be walked on if Steven is feeling a bit lazy.

Anyway, I hope he get a call from warner's soon, as my wife has had enough of me saying "I've got the New Seagal film, lets watch it" then after the film "what a load of sh!t that was", in the case of the Foreigner "what on earth was that all about"
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Sadly, I have to agree with all this. I too have found his new films dissapointing for the sole reason that his 'movie' martial arts prowess is now virtually non-existent. The fights in "The Foreigner" are either sped up or flashily cut and are over in a second. I really wish he would get back in shape because I think this is why he comes across as so plodding in his film fisticuffs. The Seagal of old was a force to be reckoned with as he could take apart these bad guys quick and fluently and all done with absolutly no help with editing tricks. Unfortunatly now, he seems to have dug himself into a hole, where he's making these cheap STV films with little in the way of style, good action and his old movies charm.

"Exit Wounds" was a step in the right direction mainly because its director had a certain style which translated well to the big screen and he was able to direct decent fights involving Seagal. Being a Joel Silver/Warner Bros production it also boasted some very good production values and was anything but cheap looking. It also made Seagal dress more casually instead of running about in them loud looking leather jackets or buddhist shirts. In other words all this was done to give Seagal wider appeal, which to an extent it did, and was his most successful film after "Under Siege" which preceded it by 9 years, taking in $51 million at the US box office.

If he was still making films for Warner Bros, I think it would be a good thing. He would be involved in higher budget productions and they would probably put a check on his weight every now and again so that he would not balloon to a size where he could'nt convincingly portray action men.

Please, I hope people on this board do not think I am being disrespectful to Steven Seagal because I am just stating my opinion. To me his films are not near as good as they used to be and about his weight problem - well I 'm just calling it how i see it. If it did not affect his screen martial arts, I would not have as big a problem with it.

All in all I hope his upcoming movie "The Yakuza" is good, and at least gains a competent director.

Peace.

MMCK
 
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