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Charlize Theron insulted Seagal

J.Lucas

Active Member
#3
How did this feud start?
There's no feud, from what I read she was basically doing video research(Youtube?)
on fighters...I'm sure Seagal's name came up and checking out the videos saw the same ones we see...
the old Japan dojo ones, some from the more reecnt movies when he turned to face slapping, etc.
What did Steven Seagal ever do to Charlize Theron?.
Nothing...she's probaly never even met or even seen him in person.
in an actual fight scenario ever one makes the mistake of making the first move, and getting too close to him in the first place.
Aikido is a defenfive art and pretty much what I see id defensive moves.
How would Seagal do in a actual fight? no one knows...I've never heard of Seagal getting into an actual fight, not even as a teenager.
In Japan he always had the advantage of being over a foot taller than his 'attackers'(first move)
 
#4
I would love for seagal to make a couple fighting videos even though ita not really going to prove anything. When your a 7th dan you really dont care what people say because you know deep down what you can do and hes wise for not letting haters get to him imo
 
#5
Somehow I doubt she'll still be making action movies at 68.

She was apparently "trained to fight" by the same guy who trained Keanu Reeves which pretty much says it all as regards her martial arts skills.

Still, very refreshing to see people on websites like Yahoo sticking up for Seagal and his martial arts background for a change, probably 90% of the ones I saw were on Seagal's side.

Would genuinely rather watch Attack Force on a 24-hour loop then 5 minutes of her attempts at an action movie.
 
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Clement3000

aka The Phoenix
#6
She apparently has a reputation of not being very nice to anyone and also has to take many breaks between filming fight scenes because she is a heavy smoker. I wonder how many people would be calling her out for body shaming if she was talking about a woman being fat?
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
#7
I know very little about her to be honest and most of her films are pretty average/poor but I did quite like atomic blonde/mad max

That said a quick google search shows she is about as liked in Hollywood as seagal and I counted 7 different films where she had problems with either the director or co star and that was after a quick 10 minute look god knows how many other films she has had rows about

She is 44(and pretty bankable at the box office) currently but I would be surprised when she enters her 50s(and the younger actresses become a safer bet)that the offers still keep coming in and hollywood quickly forgets

Look at stars that acted like arrogant D##kheads that are now slumming STV seagal,willis,snipes,cage,kilmer,travolta all had massive egos
 

Seagal1969

Active Member
#9
She's just slagging Seagal off to make waves and draw attention to herself in a desperate attempt of vanity. To hell with her and her pointless remarks about sensei.

Her remarks aren´t pointless. There´re true. Every Seagal fan knows that. Do your research.

Seagal is an asshole and even a huge one. Even huge Seagal fans have to admit that. I heard more negative stories about Seagal than on anybody else. He sexually harrassed many women.

Even his own daughter Arissa LeBrock said that her father is a huge asshole.

And Charlize is right, Seagal is fat and can´t hardly move anymore. His Aikido skills are ridiculous now because he has 80 pounds too much.
She said that because it´s a fact that Seagal behaved badly towards women.

When Seagal was younger he was "the man" but that was a long time ago. Aikido is not an effective fighting art, that´s the reason why no MMA fighter use Aikido in a cage.

I´m sure even when he was in his prime, he would have had a hard time against a real fighter. Seagal is not a fighter, that´s a fact. All his stories that he fought in Japan in order to defend his dojo are all fairy tales like the one with the CIA.

Even Chuck Norris was not a real fighter because he only was a point fighter. Norris was a great point fighter, maybe even the best when he was fighting but full contact fighting started with Bill Wallace, Joe Lewis and Benny Urquidez is something completely different.
 
#10
Steven is well known across the globe as an action star.

I don't see Charlize Theron as anything even close. The fight scenes are all Hollywood gloss and a joke.

The fact she's even singling Seagal out in this way is pretty pathetic, the interview must have really ran dry.

Seagal forever!
 
#11
Charlize Theron is not the only star who says that the demonstration videos of Seagal are a joke because they´re choreographed.

She said something negatively because he sexually harrassed many women in the past. That´s a fact. Theron knows that.

I agree with you, however, that she has no right to put down Seagal´s martial arts ability because she is not a female martial artist but we live in a democracy so everybody can express his opinion.

I personally think that Seagal was a great martial artist. You just have to look at "Above the Law". He was slim and in shape and unbelievable inventive. His style was brutal and realistic. Totally new in 1988 and never seen before.

I still love the first 5 Seagal movies. :)
 

Clement3000

aka The Phoenix
#12
Her point about him just punching and slapping people around is somewhat valid. His martial arts abilities have seemed to go downhill. Aikido is a martial art of using someone's momentum (attack) against them. It has nothing to do with ones age, strength or physical condition (being overweight). If you read information on Aikido, it has no aspect of heavy physical training required. The training is more similar to yoga or pilates. So my point, Seagal being fat or older has NOTHING to do it with the quality of the fight scenes in his movies. He could have been pulling of epic fight scenes like in Above the Law the past 20 years. The reason he hasn't is simply that he has no interest in making quality films. He has a body double do most of the work and the shots filmed close up (either to hide his weight or the body double) that the scenes just don't hold a stick to his earlier movies.
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
#13
Her remarks aren´t pointless. There´re true. Every Seagal fan knows that. Do your research.
And how would we know that, I've never met Seagal, never talked to him. So I do not know how he is in real life. And I don't like to be told what to think or do.

Seagal is an asshole and even a huge one. Even huge Seagal fans have to admit that. I heard more negative stories about Seagal than on anybody else. He sexually harrassed many women.
Again, don't tell me what to do, think or admit. I'll decide what I do, think or admit. I'm not saying he is not an asshole, but again I don't know him personally. Yes there are many negative stories and sure some (if not many) will be true. But there are also plenty a story we know that isn't true. And if he had harrassed many women, why has there been no court case like with Epstein or why hasn't he been banned from hollywood like Kevin Spacey and can he still turn out so many movies?


Even his own daughter Arissa LeBrock said that her father is a huge asshole.
That might have something to do with him leaving her and her mother? And why are still so much people keen on working with Seagal, even more then once?

And Charlize is right, Seagal is fat and can´t hardly move anymore. His Aikido skills are ridiculous now because he has 80 pounds too much.
She said that because it´s a fact that Seagal behaved badly towards women.
And why would you say someone cann't fight because he behaved badly towards women? That just doesn't add up. Yes he is overweight, but being overweighted doesn't mean his skills are ridiculous. Yes in his movies the sequences become ridiculous but I think that has more to do with the choreagrapher and Seagals idea of him being invinsible and untouchable then with the fact his skills are ridiculous. If I see videos of seminars he is still giving or demos, he can still move and still has some good techniques.

When Seagal was younger he was "the man" but that was a long time ago. Aikido is not an effective fighting art, that´s the reason why no MMA fighter use Aikido in a cage.
If you look closely all MMA fighters uses different fighting styles. Seagal also holds a degree in several martial arts, but aikido has the upperhand. And that's the trick, sticking to one style is great if you only fight people with the same style. But fight against someone with a different style and you could be in a world of hurt. And as for aikido being effective. I can tell from personal expierence that aikido can be very effective, that's why many law enforcement agencies around the world teach aikido techniques to their officers amongst other techniques. I myself studied aikido, judo, karate and jiu jitsu and the combination of techniques are incredible.


I´m sure even when he was in his prime, he would have had a hard time against a real fighter. Seagal is not a fighter, that´s a fact. All his stories that he fought in Japan in order to defend his dojo are all fairy tales like the one with the CIA.
And you know that how? Have you ever fought against him? How can you say it's a fact?

Even Chuck Norris was not a real fighter because he only was a point fighter. Norris was a great point fighter, maybe even the best when he was fighting but full contact fighting started with Bill Wallace, Joe Lewis and Benny Urquidez is something completely different.
Hmmm… strange, the very first thing I find when googling Chuck Norris is about a full contact tournament where he is in the finals…. https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=...final-match/&usg=AOvVaw1-Vc25pBxXo6oO7hzsrReQ Yes, he didn't win the final, but he did all his other fights in order to get to the final. And you know what, even full contact fights are point matches. Because if there is no knock out, points will decide the winner, just as in boxing, judo, karate, taekwondo etc etc etc. And again Norris didn't just do karate, but Tang Soo Do (10th degree black belt), brazilian jiu jitsu with the Gracie family, and has an 8th degree black belt in taekwondo and a 10th degree black belt in Chun Kuk Do. You don't get those degrees by 'faking' it.

What I'm trying to say is: You're entitled to your opinion, but don't go passing it off as facts or the opinions of others.
My personal opinion is that Seagal has lost touch with reality and for him it would have been better if he hadn't become famous. With all the stories floating around, it is more then likely he is guilty to some, but he hasn't been convicted yet (remember it is, innocent until proven guilty). His movies of recent years are primarily crap, but he said himself he doesn't like acting, it pays the bills. But then again I would not have been introduced to the world of aikido if I hadn't seen him in ATL. In my opinion one of the best martial arts around. And if I ever met the guy I would certainly not pick a fight with him.
 

DiDa

Super Moderator
Staff member
#14
And how would we know that, I've never met Seagal, never talked to him. So I do not know how he is in real life. And I don't like to be told what to think or do.


Again, don't tell me what to do, think or admit. I'll decide what I do, think or admit. I'm not saying he is not an asshole, but again I don't know him personally. Yes there are many negative stories and sure some (if not many) will be true. But there are also plenty a story we know that isn't true. And if he had harrassed many women, why has there been no court case like with Epstein or why hasn't he been banned from hollywood like Kevin Spacey and can he still turn out so many movies?


That might have something to do with him leaving her and her mother? And why are still so much people keen on working with Seagal, even more then once?

And why would you say someone cann't fight because he behaved badly towards women? That just doesn't add up. Yes he is overweight, but being overweighted doesn't mean his skills are ridiculous. Yes in his movies the sequences become ridiculous but I think that has more to do with the choreagrapher and Seagals idea of him being invinsible and untouchable then with the fact his skills are ridiculous. If I see videos of seminars he is still giving or demos, he can still move and still has some good techniques.


If you look closely all MMA fighters uses different fighting styles. Seagal also holds a degree in several martial arts, but aikido has the upperhand. And that's the trick, sticking to one style is great if you only fight people with the same style. But fight against someone with a different style and you could be in a world of hurt. And as for aikido being effective. I can tell from personal expierence that aikido can be very effective, that's why many law enforcement agencies around the world teach aikido techniques to their officers amongst other techniques. I myself studied aikido, judo, karate and jiu jitsu and the combination of techniques are incredible.


And you know that how? Have you ever fought against him? How can you say it's a fact?


Hmmm… strange, the very first thing I find when googling Chuck Norris is about a full contact tournament where he is in the finals…. https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi54r7ur6bqAhUswQIHHchfAYsQFjAKegQIBRAB&url=https://mmaimports.com/2017/04/rare-footage-of-chuck-norris-in-full-contact-tournament-final-match/&usg=AOvVaw1-Vc25pBxXo6oO7hzsrReQ Yes, he didn't win the final, but he did all his other fights in order to get to the final. And you know what, even full contact fights are point matches. Because if there is no knock out, points will decide the winner, just as in boxing, judo, karate, taekwondo etc etc etc. And again Norris didn't just do karate, but Tang Soo Do (10th degree black belt), brazilian jiu jitsu with the Gracie family, and has an 8th degree black belt in taekwondo and a 10th degree black belt in Chun Kuk Do. You don't get those degrees by 'faking' it.

What I'm trying to say is: You're entitled to your opinion, but don't go passing it off as facts or the opinions of others.
My personal opinion is that Seagal has lost touch with reality and for him it would have been better if he hadn't become famous. With all the stories floating around, it is more then likely he is guilty to some, but he hasn't been convicted yet (remember it is, innocent until proven guilty). His movies of recent years are primarily crap, but he said himself he doesn't like acting, it pays the bills. But then again I would not have been introduced to the world of aikido if I hadn't seen him in ATL. In my opinion one of the best martial arts around. And if I ever met the guy I would certainly not pick a fight with him.
Greatest post ever!
 
#16
I firmly believe Seagal still could make a very decent action film with the talent and money to support him.

Unfortunately with little of either in the case of pretty much every film since Machete, I'm not holding out much hope.

Warner had the money and were brilliant at publicity. I buy everything Seagal stars in but the last movie of his I really enjoyed was Belly of the Beast. The fights were over-the-top and ridiculous but they were well shot and light years ahead of the dross in Contract to Kill and Killing Salazar.

I didn't mind Attrition which was certainly a step up, but then came General Commander with a grand total of two brief fight scenes and Beyond the Law which should have been released as Beyond Cheap.

Couldn't really care less what Charlize Theron says. Seagal is a bona-fide martial artist.

You don't learn how to fight from watching videos on Youtube.
 
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And how would we know that, I've never met Seagal, never talked to him. So I do not know how he is in real life. And I don't like to be told what to think or do.


Again, don't tell me what to do, think or admit. I'll decide what I do, think or admit. I'm not saying he is not an asshole, but again I don't know him personally. Yes there are many negative stories and sure some (if not many) will be true. But there are also plenty a story we know that isn't true. And if he had harrassed many women, why has there been no court case like with Epstein or why hasn't he been banned from hollywood like Kevin Spacey and can he still turn out so many movies?


That might have something to do with him leaving her and her mother? And why are still so much people keen on working with Seagal, even more then once?

And why would you say someone cann't fight because he behaved badly towards women? That just doesn't add up. Yes he is overweight, but being overweighted doesn't mean his skills are ridiculous. Yes in his movies the sequences become ridiculous but I think that has more to do with the choreagrapher and Seagals idea of him being invinsible and untouchable then with the fact his skills are ridiculous. If I see videos of seminars he is still giving or demos, he can still move and still has some good techniques.


If you look closely all MMA fighters uses different fighting styles. Seagal also holds a degree in several martial arts, but aikido has the upperhand. And that's the trick, sticking to one style is great if you only fight people with the same style. But fight against someone with a different style and you could be in a world of hurt. And as for aikido being effective. I can tell from personal expierence that aikido can be very effective, that's why many law enforcement agencies around the world teach aikido techniques to their officers amongst other techniques. I myself studied aikido, judo, karate and jiu jitsu and the combination of techniques are incredible.


And you know that how? Have you ever fought against him? How can you say it's a fact?


Hmmm… strange, the very first thing I find when googling Chuck Norris is about a full contact tournament where he is in the finals…. https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi54r7ur6bqAhUswQIHHchfAYsQFjAKegQIBRAB&url=https://mmaimports.com/2017/04/rare-footage-of-chuck-norris-in-full-contact-tournament-final-match/&usg=AOvVaw1-Vc25pBxXo6oO7hzsrReQ Yes, he didn't win the final, but he did all his other fights in order to get to the final. And you know what, even full contact fights are point matches. Because if there is no knock out, points will decide the winner, just as in boxing, judo, karate, taekwondo etc etc etc. And again Norris didn't just do karate, but Tang Soo Do (10th degree black belt), brazilian jiu jitsu with the Gracie family, and has an 8th degree black belt in taekwondo and a 10th degree black belt in Chun Kuk Do. You don't get those degrees by 'faking' it.

What I'm trying to say is: You're entitled to your opinion, but don't go passing it off as facts or the opinions of others.
My personal opinion is that Seagal has lost touch with reality and for him it would have been better if he hadn't become famous. With all the stories floating around, it is more then likely he is guilty to some, but he hasn't been convicted yet (remember it is, innocent until proven guilty). His movies of recent years are primarily crap, but he said himself he doesn't like acting, it pays the bills. But then again I would not have been introduced to the world of aikido if I hadn't seen him in ATL. In my opinion one of the best martial arts around. And if I ever met the guy I would certainly not pick a fight with him.
 
#18
And how would we know that, I've never met Seagal, never talked to him. So I do not know how he is in real life. And I don't like to be told what to think or do.


Again, don't tell me what to do, think or admit. I'll decide what I do, think or admit. I'm not saying he is not an asshole, but again I don't know him personally. Yes there are many negative stories and sure some (if not many) will be true. But there are also plenty a story we know that isn't true. And if he had harrassed many women, why has there been no court case like with Epstein or why hasn't he been banned from hollywood like Kevin Spacey and can he still turn out so many movies?


That might have something to do with him leaving her and her mother? And why are still so much people keen on working with Seagal, even more then once?

And why would you say someone cann't fight because he behaved badly towards women? That just doesn't add up. Yes he is overweight, but being overweighted doesn't mean his skills are ridiculous. Yes in his movies the sequences become ridiculous but I think that has more to do with the choreagrapher and Seagals idea of him being invinsible and untouchable then with the fact his skills are ridiculous. If I see videos of seminars he is still giving or demos, he can still move and still has some good techniques.


If you look closely all MMA fighters uses different fighting styles. Seagal also holds a degree in several martial arts, but aikido has the upperhand. And that's the trick, sticking to one style is great if you only fight people with the same style. But fight against someone with a different style and you could be in a world of hurt. And as for aikido being effective. I can tell from personal expierence that aikido can be very effective, that's why many law enforcement agencies around the world teach aikido techniques to their officers amongst other techniques. I myself studied aikido, judo, karate and jiu jitsu and the combination of techniques are incredible.


And you know that how? Have you ever fought against him? How can you say it's a fact?


Hmmm… strange, the very first thing I find when googling Chuck Norris is about a full contact tournament where he is in the finals…. https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi54r7ur6bqAhUswQIHHchfAYsQFjAKegQIBRAB&url=https://mmaimports.com/2017/04/rare-footage-of-chuck-norris-in-full-contact-tournament-final-match/&usg=AOvVaw1-Vc25pBxXo6oO7hzsrReQ Yes, he didn't win the final, but he did all his other fights in order to get to the final. And you know what, even full contact fights are point matches. Because if there is no knock out, points will decide the winner, just as in boxing, judo, karate, taekwondo etc etc etc. And again Norris didn't just do karate, but Tang Soo Do (10th degree black belt), brazilian jiu jitsu with the Gracie family, and has an 8th degree black belt in taekwondo and a 10th degree black belt in Chun Kuk Do. You don't get those degrees by 'faking' it.

What I'm trying to say is: You're entitled to your opinion, but don't go passing it off as facts or the opinions of others.
My personal opinion is that Seagal has lost touch with reality and for him it would have been better if he hadn't become famous. With all the stories floating around, it is more then likely he is guilty to some, but he hasn't been convicted yet (remember it is, innocent until proven guilty). His movies of recent years are primarily crap, but he said himself he doesn't like acting, it pays the bills. But then again I would not have been introduced to the world of aikido if I hadn't seen him in ATL. In my opinion one of the best martial arts around. And if I ever met the guy I would certainly not pick a fight with him.


You defend Seagal. I can understand that because you´re a fan. First of all Chuck Norris never did full contact. The link is rubbish. Norris was already retired before full contact karate and kickboxing was around. That´s a fact.

I don´t know Seagal but if women like Jenny McCarthy and Juliette Marguiless says that then I believe them because I heard over 100 crazy Seagal stories.

And do you want to tell me that all these people are lying? Of course, Seagal didn´t rape a woman, he just wanted to see some tits during an audition (Under Siege 2) and expected women in a bathrobe.

I know that´s normal, especially for the average Seagal fan.

And by the way, Seagal already behaved like an asshole during shooting of "Above the Law". They had problems with him during "Hard to Kill" and "Marked for Death". Ask the women who played Seagal´s sister in "Marked for Death".

Asks all the stuntmen that Seagal hurt during his "good years".
 

Clement3000

aka The Phoenix
#19
"I don´t know Seagal but if women like Jenny McCarthy and Juliette Marguiless says that then I believe"

Jenny McCarthy is a retired porn model who thinks vaccinations cause autism. To use her as someone to prove a point as being believable is hilarious. Maybe he pissed off a lot of people and they are just out to get him because of his attitude and ego. If he did all these scandalous things to woman wouldn't he be banned in Hollywood? Anyone can make an accusation.
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
#20
You defend Seagal. I can understand that because you´re a fan. First of all Chuck Norris never did full contact. The link is rubbish. Norris was already retired before full contact karate and kickboxing was around. That´s a fact.

I don´t know Seagal but if women like Jenny McCarthy and Juliette Marguiless says that then I believe them because I heard over 100 crazy Seagal stories.

And do you want to tell me that all these people are lying? Of course, Seagal didn´t rape a woman, he just wanted to see some tits during an audition (Under Siege 2) and expected women in a bathrobe.

I know that´s normal, especially for the average Seagal fan.

And by the way, Seagal already behaved like an asshole during shooting of "Above the Law". They had problems with him during "Hard to Kill" and "Marked for Death". Ask the women who played Seagal´s sister in "Marked for Death".

Asks all the stuntmen that Seagal hurt during his "good years".
I think you need to read my post again and get your facts straight.

1. I'm not defending Seagal. Yes I am a fan, otherwise I have no business being here. But I am a firm believer of innocent until proven guilty and therefore show me the convictions of Seagal for sexual assault so we can put this topic to rest....oh wait, there are none. And if you read my post correctly I said 'Yes there are many negative stories and sure some (if not many) will be true'.

2. Norris: the link ain't rubbish, works fine with me. Perhaps you need another browser :p. Furthermore Norris has proven himself enough to be a very capable fighter. If I look at some of the video's floating around on the net of Norris fighting in tournaments it doesn't look like he's holding back and seems pretty full contact to me.

3. I'm not saying all these people are lying, see point 1, last sentence. But we know that at least some have been lying (otherwise charges wouldn't have been dropped prior to court cases and no settlements were made (only 1 settlement ever if I remember correctly, and a settlement doesn't prove guilt. It can be an admission of guilt, but it can also be a way to avoid lengthy and costly trials with unwanted exposure that could damage a career even if your innocent)

4. Now you say Seagal didn't rape woman but you believe the negative stories. Stories that in my book, if true, add up to rape (sexual assault to me is equal to rape). So you're kinda contradicting yourself here.

5. "I know that´s normal, especially for the average Seagal fan." I think (my opinion, not that of others) this is by far the dumbest thing you wrote. No it's not normal, I don't think anybody here thinks it's normal to see woman as 'things' of 'sex toys' or whatever. It's not okay to want to see tits or whatever at an audition. (unless you're auditioning for an adult movie perhaps, but then you've made a deliberate choice).

6. Like I said, Perhaps it would have been best if Seagal hadn't become famous, or, to put it in another way, got involved in movie making.

7. All the stuntmen that got hurt…… Well, Vandamme also hurt several stuntmen on sets, even blinding one. A stuntman died on a set of Chuck Norris and so on. And there are many other examples around. The only story I've read or hurt about with Seagal is the Gene LeBell story and there have numerous people who have came forward and said Gene lied about it. Getting hurt as a stuntman is a risk you willingly take with that job. No stunt, whatever the precautions you take, is 100% safe. Again, I'm not saying stories cann't be true, but willingly hurting someone and not get sued for it in a country where you can go to trail because your coffee is hot and it didn't say so on the cup...….that just doesn't add up to me. Especially when supposedly everybody thinks Seagal is an asshole, then you'd expect a ton of court cases for every alleged incident as well as him not getting an acting job anymore.

Now, let's end this with the idea we can differ in thoughts, ideas and opinions and have respect for each other.