Does Seagal favor Bush or Kerry?

Jampa

New Member
Yeah, let's totally wreck planet Earth and fly to another one... where we can start the wrecking all over again. And one planet should be enough, since there will only be first-class passengers and the "lower classes" will be left behind anyway...

By the way, manure in excess IS bad, be it just for ground waters.
But that's not the biggest issue, far from it.
 

tora

Funmaker
Let's say,Terrorists have declared war against the Baltics.Thank you Bush,can't wait to have a blast :rolleyes:
 

kickingbird

candle lighter
Have been through Iowa and Tennessee as well as a few other places ... actually owned land in Tennessee up in the mountains. Nice place, didn't notice the smell.
Ah, Yudansha, welcome back :) nice to hear your expertise again. How's studies?
As far as Alaska: ask the people who's homes are falling apart because the perma-frost is melting. Watched the news lately? Greenland ice IS melting also. If it keeps up, it could affect the ocean conveyer - the current that brings warm air to Europe and North America. If that slows or stops, hope we have lots of stored food and warm coats! Things ARE happening, and one can spin those facts. We can sit on our laurels and speculate or get up and do something about it. Or if we believe the world is about to end, why bother?
"Don't bogart that ....." lol
 

Jampa

New Member
Population growth is a concern, sure, and providing enough food for all is a major concern, right.

But why not talk about how much people we could feed if we changed our "feeding habits"? The energy and resources used up to feed a T-bone producer (or "beef cattle" <G>) are a waste, and it generates much more pollution than if we ate what we feed cattle. To “produce” 1 calorie, a beef consumes 7 “vegetable” calories. While we eat meat, we spend/use up 60 times more water than if we ate a wheat/corn/rice/soy pancake. While we feed ourselves on “animal proteins”, it uses up 2 hectares of our planet (translation….?), while 0.16 hectares are enough to produce the same caloric “value” with “vegetable” proteins. Over 1/3 of the cereals produced in the world are used to feed the cattle for the richest countries of the planet, and while starvation is rife in the Third World, these poor starving people provide more and more calories for animal cattle feed. In the worst times of drought – and subsequent starvation… - Sahel exported more proteins than it “received” from food aid… Isn’t this just wonderful…..? :-(((

How come an American eats over 100 kilos of meat per year, while my neighbour eats 50…? And my “neighbour” has less cholesterol and less cardiovascular issues (to mention just those of the issues related with animal-proteins consumption)…
Pollution generated by meat production is to me of greater concern than the health issues related to meat consumption… I can choose what I eat – and I sure make use of this ability – but I can’t choose how others choices affect my environment.

Where I live, there's no "chance" that I will get my feet wet should the whole Arctic melt... but which latitude the water will reach if/when this happens, be it in 50, 100 or 400 years, is not the point.
What about the wild life and people who live there...?

Earth can still provide enough food for all - and it would, if we made wiser choices - whereas the impact of pollution and earth resources exhaustion is already a big issue. But of course, we can keep our heads in the sand and dream of the stars.....

Jampa

P.S.: As to where Mr. Seagal may stand with regards to all this, it seems to me that "Fire Down Below" gives an idea... and "On Deadly Ground" addresses the subject very clearly. Doesn't Kerry seem more "in line" with those concerns than Bush...? that's what it looks like from here, definitely.
 

kickingbird

candle lighter
Thanks Jampa for the words :)
It would seem wise for more people to chose food sources other than meat. I am always amused at the few times I go to "chinese" or oriental cafes where the dishes are loaded with meat. Actually, the original meals had very little meat at all. The taste for meat seems to be widespread in America (Beef: It's What's For Dinner ... Sam Elliot's nice voice summoning us to the dinner table). Being a former meat-eater, I found it interesting to make the transition because almost all my friends felt threatened by my choice - they actually thought my not eating meat was an insult to them! My son is a vegan and has no problem running 50 races and marathons and mountain bike races. There are ways of getting the nutrients needed from a variety of foods besides meat. Now, before any meat-eaters jump all over me (watch out! I'm brandishing a set of long chopsticks! lol), all I'm suggesting is that it seems wise to reduce the amount of meat we eat to lessen the impact on the food pyramid.
As far as Kerry is concerned: yes, Kerry is more open to non-nuclear prolifiration and environmental issues: that is why he was not elected president! Bush is a puppet of the oil/gas/timber industries, the war contractors, and ultra-right factions. Time will truly tell the truth. I need say no more about him, though, because he will unveil his plans soon enough. It is interesting that the majority of citizens who voted for him are conservative, middle-class and comfortable in their living standards. The impact on their lives will be minimal. As for the rest of us ... well, check back in four years, IF there even is a 2008 presidential election. We may be all "One Party" by then. Gee, that sure sounds familiar with something I used to hear in my childhood about the communist party. I'm not playing silly buggers either. Some of the rhetoric coming from the man sounds much to similar to what my parents and others (especially military and American Legion and veterans of WWII) used to talk about in the 50's and 60's as communism ideals. Not that Bush is a communist; it is just that SOME of the rhetoric coming from him reminds me of the good ole RED party. But I'm just rambling ... gotta go mow over some leaves of autumn hehe ... tata
 

tora

Funmaker
Names change but things remain.Politicians are there to make money.Someone else is pushing the buttons behind the curtains.No one even cares what happens now and then.I might be speculating here but well,it's enough to have a look at what's going on in the world today to say so...perhaps I should start watching news again,perhaps my knowledge is miserable...but to make first step towards the right decision doesn't take needs no TV.Sh*t,honestly I'm tired of speculating.
Jampa and Kickingbird,your words echo in my heart.
 

Jampa

New Member
Thank you, Tora :)))

As you say, someone else is pushing the buttons...
But no matter the names, the agendas, the party in power, we can always make a difference. One person alone can't do much, but one plus one plus one......

We can educate ourselves, inform our Children, Family, share with our Friends... it can even "rub off" on our neighbours <G>! And I'm not talking about "political choices" here, but *life choices*... We don't need to turn ourselves into activists, we just need to be more curious about what we use/consume, and change our own habits... it starts in our homes. "Many little streams make a big river" ;-)

Like I read the other day: We are free of our choices, but our choices aren't free of consequences.

Wellness to All...

Jampa
 

kickingbird

candle lighter
One thing for certain: we need to be a lert. We need more lerts :) ... seriously though, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world today that needs our attention. It is basic human survival.
Peace
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
Is this news to you? - don't pay attention to the medea!

Every 'scientific' finding you hear on the news should always be taken with a grain of salt. Most of such 'news' (more than 95%) comes from the rejected scientist - those whose research was rejected to be published in a scientific journal. If you ever want to take something you heard seriously, just take some time and find out about the source. Then, take a look in which journal such study was published. If it wasn't published in a journal, yet was released to the general public, the value of what you've just heard isn't greater than zero - meaning, it's a bunch of b.s. If however, what you've heard was published in a journal, try to find its 'impact factor' (as all the journals are rated by how significant its published data is towards the biosphere - the world). For example, Nature and Science are the two journals with the highest impact factor (e.g. included the human genome project and Celera's decoding of the human genetic code). Therefore, anything else you hear from CNN (scientifically speaking) or any other broadcasting station is nonsense and is just a way to advertise some sort of product - whether it be survival gear or hybrid cars.

Example: lately, (if you've been following the news that is) you might have heard about Vitamin E and how 'too much' of it is a health hazard ... blah blah blah ... conclusion: the report says that beware of Vitamin E, it could kill you. What a bunch of bull! First of all, it is not exactly clear as to the actual amount (the 'too much' part) that the study refers to (an average recommended daily dose for Vitamin E is 400iu). Second of all, Vitamin E and Vitamin C are both antioxidants and act to prolong life (whether in the elderly or as food preservers - extend the expiry date on the cereal) - in chemical terms, these Vitamins trap the free radicals in the system that they're being used upon. So, if 'too much' is used, the maximum benefit would be achieved and the excess would not be digested (kind of like when you eat the steak and only a portion of it is digested by the system and the rest is unused and well ... you know what you do in the morning). For optimum effect, Vitamin E and C are used together (since each works in a different environment, yet give the same outcome). Also, too much of anything in a relatively short period of time is toxic ... whether it is Vitamin E or water (or Coke giving you cancer ... you'd have to drink Coke at the rate the 18-wheeler uses up diesel while it's travelling in traffic on a 10 hour trip - daily) ... hence, what you've heard on the news are inconclusive data with faulty conclusions. Basically, it (Vitamin E being 'deadly') isn't true and scientifically unsatisfied.

About Alaska's permafrost - the greenhouse gases collect at the North/South Poles ONLY - Alaska's geographic orientation and proximity to the collection of the 'gases' impacts its ecosystem. However, if you take and compare the rates in Toronto, or say Chicago, Detroit, etc... you will see that over the past decades, pollution has not contributed to the change in ecosystem in those places - what does contribute to the changes however, is the major logging operations - it is such businesses that destroy the environment more than the auto industry.

When it comes to politics, EVERYTHING is about money! Economics is its best friend - more like, the two are the happily married couple with politicians as their children and relatives. Now there's an analogy for you. :D
 

kickingbird

candle lighter
Tora- out of time? It is true: the entire universe is speeding up (quantum theory) and since matter is related to space and time - time really is running faster! It isn't going to affect clocks, because it is the matter in the universe that is actually moving faster - rushing out into space faster than it has before. This has been discovered by scientists AND a Sufi saint who predicted it years ago. Interesting how two completely different sources say basically the same thing. So next "time" you run out of "time", think about this. :)
 

tora

Funmaker
kickingbird said:
Tora- out of time? It is true: the entire universe is speeding up (quantum theory) and since matter is related to space and time - time really is running faster! It isn't going to affect clocks, because it is the matter in the universe that is actually moving faster - rushing out into space faster than it has before. This has been discovered by scientists AND a Sufi saint who predicted it years ago. Interesting how two completely different sources say basically the same thing. So next "time" you run out of "time", think about this. :)


Oops...outta time :p :D
 

tora

Funmaker
yudansha said:
Every 'scientific' finding you hear on the news should always be taken with a grain of salt. Most of such 'news' (more than 95%) comes from the rejected scientist - those whose research was rejected to be published in a scientific journal. If you ever want to take something you heard seriously, just take some time and find out about the source. Then, take a look in which journal such study was published. If it wasn't published in a journal, yet was released to the general public, the value of what you've just heard isn't greater than zero - meaning, it's a bunch of b.s. If however, what you've heard was published in a journal, try to find its 'impact factor' (as all the journals are rated by how significant its published data is towards the biosphere - the world). For example, Nature and Science are the two journals with the highest impact factor (e.g. included the human genome project and Celera's decoding of the human genetic code). Therefore, anything else you hear from CNN (scientifically speaking) or any other broadcasting station is nonsense and is just a way to advertise some sort of product - whether it be survival gear or hybrid cars.

Example: lately, (if you've been following the news that is) you might have heard about Vitamin E and how 'too much' of it is a health hazard ... blah blah blah ... conclusion: the report says that beware of Vitamin E, it could kill you. What a bunch of bull! First of all, it is not exactly clear as to the actual amount (the 'too much' part) that the study refers to (an average recommended daily dose for Vitamin E is 400iu). Second of all, Vitamin E and Vitamin C are both antioxidants and act to prolong life (whether in the elderly or as food preservers - extend the expiry date on the cereal) - in chemical terms, these Vitamins trap the free radicals in the system that they're being used upon. So, if 'too much' is used, the maximum benefit would be achieved and the excess would not be digested (kind of like when you eat the steak and only a portion of it is digested by the system and the rest is unused and well ... you know what you do in the morning). For optimum effect, Vitamin E and C are used together (since each works in a different environment, yet give the same outcome). Also, too much of anything in a relatively short period of time is toxic ... whether it is Vitamin E or water (or Coke giving you cancer ... you'd have to drink Coke at the rate the 18-wheeler uses up diesel while it's travelling in traffic on a 10 hour trip - daily) ... hence, what you've heard on the news are inconclusive data with faulty conclusions. Basically, it (Vitamin E being 'deadly') isn't true and scientifically unsatisfied.

About Alaska's permafrost - the greenhouse gases collect at the North/South Poles ONLY - Alaska's geographic orientation and proximity to the collection of the 'gases' impacts its ecosystem. However, if you take and compare the rates in Toronto, or say Chicago, Detroit, etc... you will see that over the past decades, pollution has not contributed to the change in ecosystem in those places - what does contribute to the changes however, is the major logging operations - it is such businesses that destroy the environment more than the auto industry.

When it comes to politics, EVERYTHING is about money! Economics is its best friend - more like, the two are the happily married couple with politicians as their children and relatives. Now there's an analogy for you. :D

Huh?Anybody remind me what thread I'm in?:eek:
Vitamin E? :rolleyes:
 
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