K1?

[Martina Taft]

Hello all,

Does anyone watch K1 and if so what do you think about it? i look sometimes but it would be more interresting if Steven Seagal would join K1. imagine a fight between him and Mike Tyson (or Jackson lol) it would be a great way for him to make new fans -- look at for example Akebono. So does anyone like K1?

 

[Littledragon]

Hello all,

Does anyone watch K1 and if so what do you think about it? i look sometimes but it would be more interresting if Steven Seagal would join K1. imagine a fight between him and Mike Tyson (or Jackson lol) it would be a great way for him to make new fans -- look at for example Akebono. So does anyone like K1?

K1 is not Seagal's style, he is not a kickboxer.

I like K-1 but I dont think there is a consistant fighter like there used to be when you had Andy Hugg and Peter Aerts, it seems to me one day someone is the champion and the next day there is a different one. I think k-1 is popularizing the martial arts but I dont like fighters like Bob Sapp which are not skilled martial artists just making a cash cow from it.

 

[Martina Taft]

K1 is not Seagal's style, he is not a kickboxer.

I like K-1 but I dont think there is a consistant fighter like there used to be when you had Andy Hugg and Peter Aerts, it seems to me one day someone is the champion and the next day there is a different one. I think k-1 is popularizing the martial arts but I dont like fighters like Bob Sapp which are not skilled martial artists just making a cash cow from it.

Ah i see lol but it would still be great to see Steven fight "for real".
Nobody in K-1 is a match for Steven because of his superior Aikido technique and because his mind is spiritually pure. of course. and what do you think of the red scorpion?

 

[Littledragon]

Ah i see lol but it would still be great to see Steven fight "for real".
Nobody in K-1 is a match for Steven because of his superior Aikido technique and because his mind is spiritually pure. of course. and what do you think of the red scorpion?

I agree Steven is a great martial artist and can easily win against those K-1 fighters.

 

[Lotussan]

He's never been one to compete, his skills are mainly for defense...

 

[yudansha]

Fighting 'for real' ...

Aikido is not a fighting sport. It is a defensive art. Seeing as Steven Seagal's main specialty is aikido (and acting...) and not something like karate or judo/jujitsu (in which he obtains a low black belt ranking ... but that's not good enough for such competitions). So, Steven Seagal would be able to defend himself well and maybe get a few hits onto his opponent, but the match will end depending on how much endurance SS's potential opponent has.

 

[tenshinaikidoka]

I read in a recent article in Black Belt Magazine, where someone questioned the ability of an Aikidoka or Tae Kwon Do practitioner in a UFC match or other competitions. The writer stated that we don't see Aikido in the UFC becasue it doesn't work on the street. Aikido is not for competition and so I failed to understand where the writer was coming from.

Aikido is for defense only, to protect you and loved ones from harms way. When you start putting it in reality fights etc, I think it would diminish the art and the student. I think that is why we do not see Aikido in these events. I could however, be very wrong.

 

[Littledragon]

I read in a recent article in Black Belt Magazine, where someone questioned the ability of an Aikidoka or Tae Kwon Do practitioner in a UFC match or other competitions. The writer stated that we don't see Aikido in the UFC becasue it doesn't work on the street. Aikido is not for competition and so I failed to understand where the writer was coming from.

Aikido is for defense only, to protect you and loved ones from harms way. When you start putting it in reality fights etc, I think it would diminish the art and the student. I think that is why we do not see Aikido in these events. I could however, be very wrong.

Competition and street are totally different, I don't know why some people keep relating them as they are the same. If you are in a street situation you will find out very soon what works and what doesn't.

 

[tenshinaikidoka]

I think the main reason for the competition/street thing is that people tend to associate reality fighting as that of areal conflict. It is not, but people see it as one in the same. And very true, on the street, somethings work, and other things, well, they just don't!!!!

 

[Littledragon]

I think the main reason for the competition/street thing is that people tend to associate reality fighting as that of areal conflict. It is not, but people see it as one in the same. And very true, on the street, somethings work, and other things, well, they just don't!!!!

Yup that is correct. Some martial artists brag how great there style is and then when they find their self beaten they change their view..

 

[tenshinaikidoka]

I have seen this first hand. My friend, who at the time was a second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do, got his rear handed to him by a guy at a bar, who showed him a new meaning to life. I think my friend got one kick in before he got a couple teeth knocked out and puched a few times. Bouncers ended the fight rather quickly, but not quick enough, and after the dentist visit, I told him that maybe he should explore other arts for self defense purposes. He agreed. He now studies Aikido and Judo.

 

[Littledragon]

I have seen this first hand. My friend, who at the time was a second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do, got his rear handed to him by a guy at a bar, who showed him a new meaning to life. I think my friend got one kick in before he got a couple teeth knocked out and puched a few times. Bouncers ended the fight rather quickly, but not quick enough, and after the dentist visit, I told him that maybe he should explore other arts for self defense purposes. He agreed. He now studies Aikido and Judo.

Ye thats a great example, I am a 3rd degree black belt in tae kwon do as well as a 4x international champion, it is more of a sport and a game. Not an art of self defense anymore. Every siince the WTF and USTU is has lost its art of self defense value.

My favorite styles are
Jeet Kune Do
Aikido
Kyukoshin Karate
Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
Muay Thai

 

[Aikilove]

Little Dragon, I think it spells Kyukushin if its the same style you are refering to. Have you any training in JKD, Kyukushin karate, aikido and Muy Thai? since they're among your favourate arts.

Just curious,
/J

 

[Littledragon]

Little Dragon, I think it spells Kyukushin if its the same style you are refering to. Have you any training in JKD, Kyukushin karate, aikido and Muy Thai? since they're among your favourate arts.

Just curious,
/J

JKD, Aikido, Muay Thai I have all had training but not Kyukushin, I would love to go to Japan to study it. Infact this summer I am going to Rickson's academy to study Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and next year to Japan but I need to decide weither I will study Aikido or Kyukushin Karate.

 

[Aikilove]

I'm biased but if I would go to Japan I would definately take the opportunity to train with some of the great ones within aikido (hombu dojo, Iwama dojo, Nishio sensei, etc. etc.) If I got some time and money over I would try out stuff that isn't readily available in your western country, such as different classical bujutsu (koryu) like tenshin shoden katori shinto ryu (kenjutsu, bojutsu, naginatajutsu etc.). Karate (most styles), judo and jujutsu and stuff I can do anywere. I don't need to go to japan to do that.

/J

 

[Martina Taft]

I think SS would would win if he had somebody in his own wightclass like Tyson.

 

[Littledragon]

I think SS would would win if he had somebody in his own wightclass like Tyson.

In a real fight yes I think Seagal could win but K-1 is not his style at all, you have to remember that.

 

[Martina Taft]

I think steven would probably have a better chance against That little japaneese guy i saw in the k1 replays yesterday. He was a kickboxer but it does not matter. Damn Steven should have been in the matrix movies. Emagine having him as a hero there next to neo itr would be so kewl lol

 

[yudansha]

I can see him playing the role ... but not in Matrix would be too time consuming.

If you ever look at behind-the-scenes of how they were making The Matrix trilogy, you'll see that the majority of the stunts done by the Neo character were not due to wire-fu and almost all done by Keanu ... they had special machines rotating the bodies around and provide the CGI team with enough data to construct an excellent simulation of combat. Steven Seagal would have had to be in training for more than twice as much as he'd been training for Exit Wounds ... those machines took the wind out of the actors very easily and they were professionally trained for over 6 months. Also, Neo is a young character, so it would be rather difficult for SS to fill those shoes.

 

[Littledragon]

I think steven would probably have a better chance against That little japaneese guy i saw in the k1 replays yesterday. He was a kickboxer but it does not matter. Damn Steven should have been in the matrix movies. Emagine having him as a hero there next to neo itr would be so kewl lol

Jet Li was originally supposed to play the lead role in the Matrix and Crouching Tiger but declined because his wife was having a baby.

Just imagine if he made those two movies how popular he would be.

But he is very honorable to spend time with his wife and turning those down.

 

[yudansha]

Jet Li for Matrix?

Really Littledragon? I haven't heard that ... but if that's true (I know that Jet Li was offered the role for "Crouching Tiger...") Jet Li could've been on par with Jackie Chan in popularity I think. The only thing though, Matrix had alot of dialogue, and I don't know if Jet Li could've pulled it off as easily as Keanu did ... although the fighting would've looked much more authentic. I wanna see Matrix with Jet Li as Neo

Jet Li is very honourable indeed.

 

[Littledragon]

Really Littledragon? I haven't heard that ... but if that's true (I know that Jet Li was offered the role for "Crouching Tiger...") Jet Li could've been on par with Jackie Chan in popularity I think. The only thing though, Matrix had alot of dialogue, and I don't know if Jet Li could've pulled it off as easily as Keanu did ... although the fighting would've looked much more authentic. I wanna see Matrix with Jet Li as Neo

Jet Li is very honourable indeed.

Ye he was on live with Regis doing an interview a couple years ago and stated that.

 

[yudansha]

Unbelievable!

That's so cool ... I guess it figures as much since Joel Silver was the main producer (the one who picks out top action stars for his movies) ... I wonder who's idea it was to have Keanu play the role...