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Negative Attitude On The Board.

Mason

Well-Known Member
#1
As some of you may have noticed i dont come in here that much any more, I've had it with people arguing and it sets a negative mood in here. I have several times thought about getting my usename deleted and just say goodbye, because it's not the same in here as it use to be. But still, we should be able to resolve this without biting eatch others heads off all the time.

If this does not change within the next 6 months, I'll have my username deleted and wander off to another Seagal forum.
 

lee nicholson

Well-Known Member
#2
Me too, I just don't get it?
I don't want this to become a "Yes" or "No" site.....but I wish criticism around here would extend beyond stuff like "This film will be crap" style posts. I don't expect everyone to do ninja backflips about every new release, but at the same time, I would appreciate if people elaborated a bit more about why they dislike something?

I've even had to 'ignore' usernames around here (something I thought I'd never have to do) Not because they upset me (or vice versa) but simply because it's like banging your head against a brick wall asking *some* members why they're here at all (given all the negativity)
Not content with disliking (unreleased) movies based on their trailers.....I've even seen members criticizing a upcoming Seagal movie that *Hadn't Even Been Made Yet*

So yes Mason, I hear where you're coming from. I don't want an automated site...full of fanboys (and non-stop praise) but I would like people to elaborate a bit more on their reasons for disliking Seagal's output.

I'd also like to know what it is they're expecting from an action star (in his 60's) making (essentially) low budget movies...Because more and more people around here are becoming hard to please. I mean I've seen TAKEN 3 at the weekend.....and for a big budget, box-office hit...I thought it was garbage. So it's not just low-budgets that make or break a movie?
 

JoeDirt

Active Member
#3
Personally, I always try to see the positive in things, and I try to not be too negative, but I guess it's hard since in my opinion Seagal's output as far as movies go has been mostly subpar in recent years.

I became a Seagal fan because of his early movies, especially the first five, after that it's been a hit and miss, and sadly I have to say in the past 15 years he has made only maybe five movies that I consider to be good or decent (Exit Wounds, Belly of the Beast, Urban Justice, Pistol Whipped and Machete) The rest I consider to be either just simply bad, so bad it's good or just something you might watch once but never again.

After Machete IMO he has done some of the worst movies ever in his career, Born to Raise Hell, Maximum Conviction, Force of Execution and the insufferably boring and meaningless True Justice series.

I enjoyed the Lawman "reality" series very much, and I would actually prefer to see more of that.
Just like I enjoyed Van Damme's Behind Closed Doors TV show.

I still think that Seagal has at least one or two good movies in him, not expecting anything on the level of his first action classics, but more like Urban Justice, Pistol Whipped level stuff, or a supporting role in a bigger movie like Machete.

But it's hard to stay positive when the last good movie of his came out almost 5 years ago and if the trailer for Absolution is anything to go by, that trend is not about to change soon.
 

lee nicholson

Well-Known Member
#4
I agree with you about TRUE JUSTICE (it just didn't seem to flow) and was matched by the disjointed manner in which it was released (in the UK at least)
 
#5
I can agree with you Mason and Lee. You already said what was in my mind.

For me, only Maximum Conviction was not so well. Not completely bad, but not also completely good. My hopes for MC were high, I looked for a side-by-side fighting scenes with Seagal and Austin. Otherwise Seagal mostly tactical observing the events made it a little bit boring - at least for me. Nothing against tactics, but I expected more from this movie.

TJ was entertaining, sure Season 2 got too much convuluted at times, but somehow it was entertaining. The locations, even if they looked cheap - I like this "realistic" = "rotten" look, because there is darkness in this world and to get an image of it, I think this is only fitting.


I am very loyal Seagal fan and as Lee, yes, you perfectly said I am are very highly spiritual attached. I am a positive guy and I have paitience, long patience. But even this can even found its end, like yesterday. I am not against a negative statement. You guys described it perfectly. I would like to know WHY and HOW someone find it is not positive. Only if we are honest to ourselves, we can exchange our thoughts better.

For me, Seagal, as long as I am fan of him, also I saw in him, as a guide, truly a sensei. I am not like most of his movie-characters, who can be revenge-driven. No I am for peace, justice and fairness. And this is what Seagal taught me. Look at every individual, judge for yourself, don't let other influence negatively, try to find your answers your way. Tools to walk the way is for instance spiritual contemplation.

His movies, one more good, one less good, are entertainment. Violent and maybe even surreal, but entertainment. In his movies, he does things, that are against regular behaviour. Sure, it is extremely rare, but I feel thirst for a counter-strike. But better than striking truly a person, I watch a movie. I am not gloryfying violence in real life, on the contrary, I am for a dialogue.

But we as human beings, have a negative = dark side, if we want or note, we are both - light and darkness. Another thing Seagal taught me (like other asian philosophies) you have to embrace this other side of yourself too. Without it, you are not complete. My darkness is when I loose my patience or getting angry, even if I don't want it. Today, at my work, my darkness awakened again, but then I calmed down and talked to a person. And the darkness once more fall into it's sleep.

Another question. I am not intending - by now - leaving this forum, but Mason, do you know another civilizied forum? I don't.
 

Martin01

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#6
I’m not sure, I think we had times with a worse atmosphere, but I have the feeling that since Seagal constantly works with Waxman, the opinions on the forum split up. Some enjoy Waxmans work, while others want to see working him with different directors and crews (I’m not sure, but before the Waxman-era, the consensus about Seagals movies was probably a bit higher).

I understand both sides, although I personally would like to see him working with different directors now (I don't like the movies since "Maximum Conviction") and returning to Waxman later. I think it needs a change. I don’t know what to expect from “Code of Honor”, but it’s the first movie since 5 years that gets a bit of my attention (I’m even looking forward to it a bit), and that’s something I’ve missed the last years.

I think it’s good that we will receive 1-2 films from different crews this year, and the announced projects of Waxman sound decent to me too because of the locations. I think we have seen worse times. I just hope the projects will start soon, the forum needs a bit more activity.
 

lee nicholson

Well-Known Member
#7
Unlike cinema releases, these DTV movies rarely have the budgets to pre-advertise, or release promo stills, etc. There's no real 'Media Coverage' to accompany their evolution.

So it's pretty much a case of making the movie....then dumping it in DVD stores. Thankfully in the age of the internet, die-hard fans can *maybe* source a bit of info......but to the casual punter on the highstreet, these films just mysteriously pop up in shops ( leading to the usual sarcastic remark of "Oh no, another Seagal movie") which is why the TRUE JUSTICE series were released as mini-movies in the UK (and for the most part, conned the majority into thinking that these were actual films)

Information about Seagal (and his movies) were a lot more forthcoming, back in the 90's.....But (unfortunately) nowadays, it's a given fact that we (as fans) have to play both the 'waiting' and 'guessing' game in regards to new releases.

At this point (first and foremost) I'm just glad these movies are getting made (at all)

:)
 
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Mason

Well-Known Member
#8
Me too, I just don't get it?
I don't want this to become a "Yes" or "No" site.....but I wish criticism around here would extend beyond stuff like "This film will be crap" style posts. I don't expect everyone to do ninja backflips about every new release, but at the same time, I would appreciate if people elaborated a bit more about why they dislike something?

I've even had to 'ignore' usernames around here (something I thought I'd never have to do) Not because they upset me (or vice versa) but simply because it's like banging your head against a brick wall asking *some* members why they're here at all (given all the negativity)
Not content with disliking (unreleased) movies based on their trailers.....I've even seen members criticizing a upcoming Seagal movie that *Hadn't Even Been Made Yet*

So yes Mason, I hear where you're coming from. I don't want an automated site...full of fanboys (and non-stop praise) but I would like people to elaborate a bit more on their reasons for disliking Seagal's output.

I'd also like to know what it is they're expecting from an action star (in his 60's) making (essentially) low budget movies...Because more and more people around here are becoming hard to please. I mean I've seen TAKEN 3 at the weekend.....and for a big budget, box-office hit...I thought it was garbage. So it's not just low-budgets that make or break a movie?
Totally agree Lee.

I'v just had enough and cant take it any more. This site used to be like one big family, now it is like one big war zone.
 
#9
Great post, Mason. Long time, no see. Hope you're doing well. :)

I agree 100% with your post and a few others here. All of that being said, it's my humble opinion that if a person has not liked one single thing that Seagal has done in many years and has the expectation that a future project, something they've only read about, will be unwatchable and terrible -- then that person is no longer a fan and gave up being a fan years ago. So if that member is no longer a fan, why bother belonging to a site that says right in its logo: "For the fans, by the fans."

But, again in my humble opinion, the reason the site has changed is the impersonal, sometimes "cold" attitude of some members. I belonged to this site many years ago -- under a different name -- when there were members here that were actually interested in Seagal and in each other and showed an interest in what someone ELSE had to say. People like Suziwong, the sadly gone but unforgettable Mama San, Lotus, Little Dragon, Storm, Amos, Orangatuang, Serena, Yudansha, Jalu, Kathy Pardom, etc., etc. I notice a a very few other "old-timers" are still around, but do not post very often. This was an enjoyable place to be back then. Sure, there were a few trolls, some arguments here and there between "friends", but still a great site.

When I signed up last year as RetroSeagal, I was almost completely ignored. I tried to participate in some discussions, attempted to make some semi-intelligent observations, very much tried to engage others in a conversation. And what responses did I receive? Almost nothing. Mason, J. Lucas,Dida and one or two others kindly responded to a few of my posts, but that was about it. Now only a couple of the administrators take the time to respond? It's as if many want THEIR opinions and thoughts heard, but can't be bothered to comment on someone else's thoughts.

I hope some of you will reflect on some of these points I have made as a few possible reasons why this site is not what it used to be. Obviously things change, some people move on, and there are bound to be disagreements, differences of opinions, but isn't that what's supposed to make it interesting? But in society it is at the very least politeness and good manners to actually acknowledge what someone has said and respond in turn. That is how good conversations can begin -- even if you disagree with each other.

Cheers.
 
#10
@ RetroSeagal
Your opinion is respected by me. You provide at least something more like other users here, who can are truly outgrown of the Seagal fandom.
But allow me to ask you this: if you were an old-timer of this forum, why did you signed up again + why did you sign off? Secondary, using a different user-name is no problem, but I - I am speaking for myself - don't know WHO you are, or WHO you had been previously.

If you feel, that you had been ignored, well this is truly unfortunate.

You mentioned that you tried to participate in discussions, and the response was not to your satisfaction. Again I can only speak for myself: there is one problem and this is the lack of development in general when it comes to Seagal.

He will shoot another action movie and that's it. Do we hear some ongoing development on his only annouced third blues album? Nope, not a single bit. This is in my opinion sad. Seagal is not like other movie stars, who are almost everytime present in the gossip magazines and if, it is negatively written.

We as the fans, know that Seagal has also positive traits. But the world and every outsider thinks only negative on him, because he is Steven Seagal.

The work Seagal does is almost the same, it differs only in details. For example, how he tracked his enemy down before it comes to the showdown.
If Seagal would make more movies like AGAINST THE DARK, and not traditional urban based action movies, than this forum would be probably see more activity.

It is up to Seagal, but Seagal has it's preferences and that's it. This applies also for his others interests and concern. When he visited President Putin, for example,
he only caused mis-understandings and negative reactions around the globe.

You can also count me in, when it comes, that I truly would like to know more about another user, why he or she likes this more or not. Sure I am not the best example, because my time is limited to post more often here.

Please also think that not every person wants to open himself or herself for reasons, we can only imagine. This kind of behaviour is not negative, but we have to respect that.
 
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Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
#13
Didn't know that message board. Are these old topics from this site??
Nope, is from an old version of the official site. It used to have a message board but it got way out of hand with abuse and sorts. They closed it down and never tried again.

Peace
 

lee nicholson

Well-Known Member
#14
The good ole' days....when people were wondering what 'Ticker' was about,when PBT would be released in the UK, the 'Exit Wounds' fight scenes not being realistic and other assorted memories :)
https://web.archive.org/web/2001041...mber=5&forum=Movies&DaysPrune=20&startpoint=0
Wow, just been re-reading those old posts (from the old site) it took me back some. How cool to have the author of EXIT WOUNDS conversing with everyone :)
I remember all the (profane) arguments that we used to get into with the many trolls that used to try spam the pages up....wasn't one called 'Memphis Bleek'....named after the rapper? (and the whole New World Order trolls, the NWO) I don't know about anyone else that was here at that time, but it was very intense, but funny at the same time. I remember one troll sent me a death threat, so I told him to make good on his promise, and gave out my home address on the site, challenging anyone to say it to my face (ha!) :)
But the site wasn't always endless arguments, petty bickering and constant swearing. Maybe (as far as I'm concerned) it was down to the fact that I was new to the internet (and actually the 'internet' itself, was quite new)

Does GLIMMERMAN still post on here anymore?
 

Administrator

Administrator
Staff member
#15
Wow, just been re-reading those old posts (from the old site) it took me back some. How cool to have the author of EXIT WOUNDS conversing with everyone :)
I remember all the (profane) arguments that we used to get into with the many trolls that used to try spam the pages up....wasn't one called 'Memphis Bleek'....named after the rapper? (and the whole New World Order trolls, the NWO) I don't know about anyone else that was here at that time, but it was very intense, but funny at the same time. I remember one troll sent me a death threat, so I told him to make good on his promise, and gave out my home address on the site, challenging anyone to say it to my face (ha!) :)
But the site wasn't always endless arguments, petty bickering and constant swearing. Maybe (as far as I'm concerned) it was down to the fact that I was new to the internet (and actually the 'internet' itself, was quite new)

Does GLIMMERMAN still post on here anymore?
John Westermann posted on here a few times too. He was a nice guy. Last online 12 years ago though!!
 

J.Lucas

Active Member
#17
John Westermann posted on here a few times too. He was a nice guy. Last online 12 years ago though!!
I think Steven Seagal himself (supposedly)posted on there once...if I remember correctly...it may be still in the internet archives.....some of the message board archives can go back quite a few pages and even can read the actual posts....I used to go to that board quite a few times a week :)