So Solid Crew's MC Harvey in Out for a Kill

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

Anyone who thinks Seagal's alligiance with rappers on screen is over will have to think again.For I've checked on the IMDB and I see in Out for a Kill,SSC's MC Harvey will be playing an as yet 'unknown' character.

Any British board member will most likely be familiar with who So Solid Crew are,but American/other members may be lost.Seagal/rappers on screen is certainly a continuing trend,but I feel it's a gimmick that's starting to wear very thin now.With Kurupt lined up to co star in The Yakuza,it's becoming very obvious that he needs to keep having rappers co star in his movies to keep his career going.

Actually,I read in a caption in a British tabloid a while ago that Harvey was going to make his screen acting debut be co starring in an unnamed Van Damme film.I can most likely see that happening now.

In Peace and Love,

Sascha

 

[cookie]

Hello Orin, Harvey is a presenter on T4 Sunday, (not a very good one ) he spoke some time ago about being in a film, maybe he has already done his bit of filming

Hope you are well.

 

[justice808]

Hi Cookie,mc Harvey(what a dick!!)completed his OFAK filming in November.

 

[justice808]

Anyone who thinks Seagal's alligiance with rappers on screen is over will have to think again.For I've checked on the IMDB and I see in Out for a Kill,SSC's MC Harvey will be playing an as yet 'unknown' character.

Any British board member will most likely be familiar with who So Solid Crew are,but American/other members may be lost.Seagal/rappers on screen is certainly a continuing trend,but I feel it's a gimmick that's starting to wear very thin now.With Kurupt lined up to co star in The Yakuza,it's becoming very obvious that he needs to keep having rappers co star in his movies to keep his career going.

Actually,I read in a caption in a British tabloid a while ago that Harvey was going to make his screen acting debut be co starring in an unnamed Van Damme film.I can most likely see that happening now.

In Peace and Love,

Sascha

Hi Sascha,hope you are well.

I have to disagree on a couple of your points.The fact that mc Harvey has around only two minute screen time(Seagal meets him while in prision)doesn't reall qualify him as a rapper co-star.Kurupt,meanwhile,is a very talented rapper-turned-actor and is more than comptent(as you can see if u see him in HPD,Dark Blue & Hollywood Homicide).And i'm not ashamed to say that Kurupt will have a longer & fulfiling acting career compared to his lesser acting peers Ja Rule & DMX.I'm sure he will go on to get bigger & bigger parts as the years go on.If Seagal really wanted to cash in on the "rapper of the moment-turned actor",he would/could've gone for someone like 50.It should also be noted it's not just action films that are having more & more ex-rapper editions in their films.I just wait for the day when Kurupt(or the like)will turn up in a period piece!(Puts on quaint English accent)...Respect!!!

Peace,

Leon

P.S.Ther's no rappers in BOTB either.

 

[Amos Stevens]

Seems rap artists are doing a lot more movies-not just with Seagal, but with other actors...guess they want to be with the modern age & figure only rap artists really know how to "talk the talk"

 

[Nassau Mike]

If Seagal's future in action films depended on rappers he would get rappers like Fifty Cent or Eminem(God Fobid). Does anyone really know who M.C. Harvey is and really care that he is in a Seagal film for a minute or so-For one thing the movie will not depend on it; thats for sure.
Kurupt is ok and he has been in some films lately(Hollywood Homicide, Dark Blue and HPD) but he is not carrying any of those films and he never will carry a film. He's just playing a role. You really think that people are gonna go see Yakuza because of Kurupt or Out for a Kill because of M. C. Harvey(whoever the hell he is). I dont think so. They are there to play a little part in a movie-a very little part..

 

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

If Seagal's future in action films depended on rappers he would get rappers like Fifty Cent or Eminem(God Fobid). Does anyone really know who M.C. Harvey is and really care that he is in a Seagal film for a minute or so-For one thing the movie will not depend on it; thats for sure.
Kurupt is ok and he has been in some films lately(Hollywood Homicide, Dark Blue and HPD) but he is not carrying any of those films and he never will carry a film. He's just playing a role. You really think that people are gonna go see Yakuza because of Kurupt or Out for a Kill because of M. C. Harvey(whoever the hell he is). I dont think so. They are there to play a little part in a movie-a very little part..

Aw,c'mon.You can't deny I have a point,man.The very fact that his career was temporarily revived and saved from the drudgery of straight-to-video/made-for-TV hell in the first place was because he appeared in a film where his co star was a rapper.Since said film (Exit Wounds) where his co star was rapper DMX,let's look at how his career's shaped out:

Ticker:Co star Nas
Half Past Dead:Ja Rule
Out for a Kill:MC Harvey
The Yakuza:Kurupt

There was The Foreigner,you'll say.Oh yeah,that box office sensation.That went straight to video on both sides of the Atlantic.Face it.Before EW, it didn't look like a Seagal film would ever see the inside of a cinema again,and since that film,producers of his film's have had to wear that gimmick totally thin in order to keep his career going.I see past it,even if you don't,and I for one think it's getting tiresome.

Sascha

 

[justice808]

(Ticker)1.Nas wasn't even in any scenes with Seagal in Ticker!2.Nas only had 3 min screen time at the most!3.His name wasn't included on the poster(in most countries!)Doesn't count.

(OFAK)1.MC Harvey only has two mins in OFAK & soesn't count as a co-star(more like a cameo).2.Most people in the USA,Europe etc.have never even heard of him!3.His name won't be on the poster.Doesn't count.

(Yakuza)Kurupt has earned praise in Hollwood(from Ron Shelton no less)and is being recognised more as a actor & not just some actor-turned-rapper.2.He won't have thatbig apart in Yakuza.3.He won't be on the poster as a selling point.

(BOTB)Doesn't feature any rappers at all.

See what i'm saying?Seagal doesn't need rappers to make a film.

 

[Nassau Mike]

Aw,c'mon.You can't deny I have a point,man.The very fact that his career was temporarily revived and saved from the drudgery of straight-to-video/made-for-TV hell in the first place was because he appeared in a film where his co star was a rapper.Since said film (Exit Wounds) where his co star was rapper DMX,let's look at how his career's shaped out:

Ticker:Co star Nas
Half Past Dead:Ja Rule
Out for a Kill:MC Harvey
The Yakuza:Kurupt

There was The Foreigner,you'll say.Oh yeah,that box office sensation.That went straight to video on both sides of the Atlantic.Face it.Before EW, it didn't look like a Seagal film would ever see the inside of a cinema again,and since that film,producers of his film's have had to wear that gimmick totally thin in order to keep his career going.I see past it,even if you don't,and I for one think it's getting tiresome.

Sascha

Well I dont think that Nas or Ja Rule made the movies that they were in block busters either and MC Harvey(WHO?) wont do anything to help whatever Out for a Kill makes. I for one bought Out for a Kill before ever hearing of MC Harvey. Oh, and if you go and get a drink or some popcorn you might miss his big cameo.
Kurupt was in Dark Blue but I did'nt go to see that because of him. I went to see it because of the type of film it was and because of Kurt Russell playing a role similar to the Training Day role of Denzel Washington. I would never have gone to see it if Kurupt was the lead star. Kurupt was also in Hollywood Homicide but most people did'nt even know that and he was'nt there to help save Harrison Ford's sliding career. The bottom line is that rappers are appearing in films all through hollywood and to this point only Eminem and Will Smith and maybe one or so others can headline a film. DMX will never carry a film on his own-he never has.
Seagal does action films and you will have the occassional rapper/fighter/martial artist in his films..Bottom line is that most of his films that rappers appeared in have tanked except for Exit Wounds which was a varied cast and had a big studio with a big producer backing it.
I dont think we will see any rappers in Ghenghis Khan or US3 if they are made and Kurupt will only have a small role in Yakuza(the big star that he is).
Seagal is doing very well to be where he is at this point of his career. To even be getting offers from big studios like Warner Bros at his age and being an action star is an accomplishment in itself. If you look around there are not many 50 + year old action stars on the big screen anymore. Arnie got T3 but T3 is in itself a franchise and has a big following and it will keep Arnie up above water a little longer but he cannot carry a big budget action film anymore(see his last 4 or 5 films that flopped, even with Andrew Davis). Maybe he needs MC harvey to save his career too.

 

[justice808]

Maybe he needs MC harvey to save his career too.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

(Ticker)1.Nas wasn't even in any scenes with Seagal in Ticker!2.Nas only had 3 min screen time at the most!3.His name wasn't included on the poster(in most countries!)Doesn't count.

(OFAK)1.MC Harvey only has two mins in OFAK & soesn't count as a co-star(more like a cameo).2.Most people in the USA,Europe etc.have never even heard of him!3.His name won't be on the poster.Doesn't count.

(Yakuza)Kurupt has earned praise in Hollwood(from Ron Shelton no less)and is being recognised more as a actor & not just some actor-turned-rapper.2.He won't have thatbig apart in Yakuza.3.He won't be on the poster as a selling point.

(BOTB)Doesn't feature any rappers at all.

See what i'm saying?Seagal doesn't need rappers to make a film.

Oh wow,Belly of the Beast.I'm sure that will break box office records,won't it?Watch out X-Men 2,this film's gonna get the publicity campaign of the year.The odd poster in your local Blockbuster Video,maybe?

I hope you don't find the sarcasm offensive or patronizing,I'm just trying to illustrate my point.Which is that moreorless every Seagal film post Exit Wounds has relied on the prescence of a rapper co-star of some sort.The fact that the likes of Half Past Dead and Ticker didn't make a lot of money is neither here-nor-there really.The point is,the rappers were there in an attempt to make the film successful,and even though it's a dying trend,producers of Seagal's films are still wrangling all the life out of it in an attempt to keep it going.

Sascha (Prove me wrong BOTB.........prove me wrong )

 

[rastafari]

well michella yeoh is in yakuza and she is a very big star so other people other than rap-stars are in seagal films.the one thing that bothers me sasha is that if theres a rap star then theres always a hip-hop soundtrack which means yakuza could end up being another exit wounds-hpd with rap music in every scene which gets tiresome.

 

[justice808]

Oh wow,Belly of the Beast.I'm sure that will break box office records,won't it?Watch out X-Men 2,this film's gonna get the publicity campaign of the year.The odd poster in your local Blockbuster Video,maybe?

I hope you don't find the sarcasm offensive or patronizing,I'm just trying to illustrate my point.Which is that moreorless every Seagal film post Exit Wounds has relied on the prescence of a rapper co-star of some sort.The fact that the likes of Half Past Dead and Ticker didn't make a lot of money is neither here-nor-there really.The point is,the rappers were there in an attempt to make the film successful,and even though it's a dying trend,producers of Seagal's films are still wrangling all the life out of it in an attempt to keep it going.

Sascha (Prove me wrong BOTB.........prove me wrong )

Prove you wrong?BOTB was only made to be a stv release.Doh!Did I say otherwise?I can't remember saying it was gonna be a big box office winner.You are basically saying that Seagal needs a rapper co-star to(maybe)make the film more successful,right?Just don't agree.Myself,Mike & the majority here think otherwise.I tried to illustrate my point(which you have obviously not read)but you don't agree with me as I don't agree with you.I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[Rodrigo]

I gotta say something, I just watched the last Seagal movies because of the rappers !!! Yeah, right !!!!!!!! I hate rappers !!! nothing against, but it's not for me, and I didn't watch Exit Wounds because of the DMX ****, I watched because of that tall guy, I don't remember his name now, let's see, what's the name of this site again ?? oh yeah !! STEVEN SEAGAL, he is new in movies, just beggining now, so he asked some help to the great movies hall of fame rappers...

 

[Nassau Mike]

Oh yeah, and I would have just rushed out to see Exit Wounds if Seagal was not in it. It would not have made half of what it made without Seagal.
A lot of people over here like DMX but just about everyone went to see Exit Wounds because it was a Seagal film and DMX just happened to be in a Seagal film..
Also, these rapper are not just in Seagal films-they are all over hollywood nowadays. They are just cheap labour and they will draw a few more people into the theatres on occassion. The success of the film is not gonna depend on a rap star being in it unless his name is Eminem. I dont think that Eminem or fifty cent or will smith is gonna be in any Seagal film anytime soon(God forbid).
Michelle Yeow and Russell Wong are much bigger draws than Kurupt or the so popular MC whatever his name is. We should be saying that Michelle Yeow is being put in his movie to save his career more so than rappers..
There are just as many people turned off by rappers as are interested in seeing them.
Nas did nothing for Ticker, Russell Wong or another fighter would have been an improvement over DMX in Exit Wounds..At least they would have known how to fight. They had to waste half of the movie teaching DMX how to look realistic in a two minute fight and of all the stars he was the one they had to spend the most time with to teach how to do a little fight scene..
DMX's career will be over in a year or two and maybe they can put MC Hammer or whatever in his movie to help out his box office take.

 

[Lotussan]

To say that the rappers made the difference, and not Steven is soooooo funny...Come on, they were the lucky ones...I do think that perhaps it gave Steven an extra edge, because it shows the rap world that he's not the typical, stuffy 52 year old, that he's cool and young at heart and in with the current goings on of the music scene...

 

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

Prove you wrong?BOTB was only made to be a stv release.Doh!Did I say otherwise?I can't remember saying it was gonna be a big box office winner.You are basically saying that Seagal needs a rapper co-star to(maybe)make the film more successful,right?Just don't agree.Myself,Mike & the majority here think otherwise.I tried to illustrate my point(which you have obviously not read)but you don't agree with me as I don't agree with you.I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

Ooooooooooh,steady on there tiger.No need to flip your lid just 'cos I didn't agree with you.If you must know,I read your post with great interest.You were taking the examples I used and turning them round saying how the rap stars were in the film but they didn't really make a difference,due to their limited screen time or whatever.But my point was,you can't fail to notice the pattern of how,with the exception of The Foreigner,all Seagal films have featured such stars post EW and I can't help but think (as one does) that it's a ploy to keep his career going.You step in Belly of the Beast's defence by saying it was never intended as a theatrical release.Well,you're hardly on a career high making STV/MFTV films,are you?And that 'prove me wrong' thing in the brackets was just a frigg*ng joke.Losen up,wouldja.

Nassau Mike-If you lived in England,you'd know who MC Harvey (read 'HARVEY') was.

Sascha (I say get up and move boy.....We say get up and move boy......I say get up and move boy......Everybody say )

 

[justice808]

Ooooooooooh,steady on there tiger.No need to flip your lid just 'cos I didn't agree with you.If you must know,I read your post with great interest.You were taking the examples I used and turning them round saying how the rap stars were in the film but they didn't really make a difference,due to their limited screen time or whatever.But my point was,you can't fail to notice the pattern of how,with the exception of The Foreigner,all Seagal films have featured such stars post EW and I can't help but think (as one does) that it's a ploy to keep his career going.You step in Belly of the Beast's defence by saying it was never intended as a theatrical release.Well,you're hardly on a career high making STV/MFTV films,are you?And that 'prove me wrong' thing in the brackets was just a frigg*ng joke.Losen up,wouldja.
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As I said before:Let's agree to disagree.Don't take it to seriously m8.

 

[justice808]

Ooooooooooh,steady on there tiger.No need to flip your lid just 'cos I didn't agree with you.

Of course you can agree with me,that's why I said let's agree to disagree.I could say the same thing about you.Don't be so serious.

If you must know,I read your post with great interest.You were taking the examples I used and turning them round saying how the rap stars were in the film but they didn't really make a difference,due to their limited screen time or whatever.

It's called having a difference of opinion

But my point was,you can't fail to notice the pattern of how,with the exception of The Foreigner,all Seagal films have featured such stars post EW and I can't help but think (as one does) that it's a ploy to keep his career going.

Is it a ploy to have Kurupt in Yakuza?Of course it isn't.

You step in Belly of the Beast's defence by saying it was never intended as a theatrical release.Well,you're hardly on a career high making STV/MFTV films,are you?

I was hardly defending it lol..but it must be noted that lots of actors make both stv(in Seagal's case:OFAK,BOTH & Unleashed)& films intented for cinema release(Yakuza,GK & The Package ETC.)

And that 'prove me wrong' thing in the brackets was just a frigg*ng joke.Losen up,wouldja.

I woudln't say I was being 2 serious.I could say the same about you.

Nassau Mike-If you lived in England,you'd know who MC Harvey (read 'HARVEY') was.

And Mike would no doubt think he was a p*ick like the rest of us.

Now go and enjoy the good weather we have been having

Leon

 

[Nassau Mike]

Ooooooooooh,steady on there tiger.No need to flip your lid just 'cos I didn't agree with you.If you must know,I read your post with great interest.You were taking the examples I used and turning them round saying how the rap stars were in the film but they didn't really make a difference,due to their limited screen time or whatever.But my point was,you can't fail to notice the pattern of how,with the exception of The Foreigner,all Seagal films have featured such stars post EW and I can't help but think (as one does) that it's a ploy to keep his career going.You step in Belly of the Beast's defence by saying it was never intended as a theatrical release.Well,you're hardly on a career high making STV/MFTV films,are you?And that 'prove me wrong' thing in the brackets was just a frigg*ng joke.Losen up,wouldja.

Nassau Mike-If you lived in England,you'd know who MC Harvey (read 'HARVEY') was.

Sascha (I say get up and move boy.....We say get up and move boy......I say get up and move boy......Everybody say )

So MC Harvey is a giant rap star over in the big E uhh? Well, I guess I've just been deprived of his awesome talent. I'll try and get over it.