The Martial Responsibility...

[Bushido]

Honestly now...

I think is boils down to:

is he going to shoot me

is he not going to shoot me


I can tell you if I pull a gun on you I want you dead. The instant that I have acquired my target I'm pulling the trigger, and I'll be aiming from 15+ feet. You are just dead!

Now a person who is holding a gun on you doesn't really want to kill you. He wants to intimidate you. If this guy who is mugging you, or whatever, is really prepared to use this gun on you, why doesn’t he just do so? Why doesn’t he just shoot you and take your money? It’s easier than asking for it and risking that you are some hot shot wantbe. It’s because he doesn’t want to shoot you! So he’ll have to decide to kill you before he moves to do so. In that time you can easily take a gun. If the man is in arms reach it takes half a moment to move out of the way and acquire the gun. (at which point you shoot his a*s)

Maybe this is a sick f*ck like the guys involved in the highfi murders. Who wants to control you so he can torcher you to death or rape you then kill you! In that case he’ll have no hard time pulling the trigger and killing you’re a*s. However if that is the case you’re better off if he goes ahead and does it! If you do happen to get the gun, all the better. Even so not all gun shots are lethal, and cops have been shown to completely miss their suspects that they’re shooting at, at point blank rang. And if you do happen to shoot me you better of killed me because my next movement is going to kill you!

 

[Bushido]

LOL yes! How did you know? I was trying to make you think otherwise ... you know, trying to get an advantage over the bad guys ... what they don't know can only hurt them ... I'll pull that 'Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon' on them while they're trying to figure out how to squeeze that trigger.

LOL Bushido who do you think you can stomp?

Well it sure isn't the cockroaches in New York! or the ones just down the street for that matter.

 

[yudansha]

Cockroaches yeah LOL

It's a gamble buddy yeah ... a gamble with your life. If you wanna risk it, go ahead ... I'm not stopping you. Because it is very unlikely whether you will be able to tell how professional the attacker is. You also have no idea whether the attacker knows some martial arts himself.

The first line of defence is always co-operation to satisfy the criminal. If you are taken hostage, you have to 'play' his game for awhile ... (it's not like he's going to rape you while robbing the store) ... and after that, it's a totally different ... the attacker does not feel as much pressure once out of the situation (yet has enough attention to keep his eye on the hostage) ... picking the moments is not easy to do. It's a game of chess, one that you don't want ending up in a stalemate.

 

[Serena]

Still curious. If the gun was pointed at your girlfriend's face, as it was in mine, and you were standing next to her, would all your reactions still be the same, do you think, as if it was pointed at your face? Or do you think you'd just let him take the money and leave?

 

[Littledragon]

"I would just use my natural instincts and deflect it"

Deflect what? A bullet going through you skull? You really think you can dodge a bullet? LOL buddy this ain't Matrix no matter how hard you want to believe that.

I dont know how confident you are on your martial art skills but I am confident. If you lack confidence you loose no matter what. It is 100% possible for an experienced martial artist to sucesfully defend against a gun in close range posistion, it actually is more easier to defend against a gun than it is a knife.

 

[Littledragon]

Still curious. If the gun was pointed at your girlfriend's face, as it was in mine, and you were standing next to her, would all your reactions still be the same, do you think, as if it was pointed at your face. Or do you think you'd just let him take the money and leave?

To me it makes no difference, still its the same the "bad guy" wants to harm us and his attitude will not change even if it is a girl. My reaction still would be the same, take him out.

 

[yudansha]

If you were my girlfriend LOL ... let's take a look:

I'd rather sacrifice a few extra bucks than have to dig a bullet out of your brains. I'm sorry to tell you this, but when there is a gun involved, more often than not, the guy holding the weapon is prepared to use it if he/she doesn't get what they want.

If it's one person, then you can take care of the situation while transferring the money. If it's more than one person ... both of which have posession of firearms at ready, then you're better off co-operating. The bullet is always faster than any trick of yours anyways.


Littledragon LOL ... I guess that's the age talking ... and your ego too ... you try doing that and the next time your parents will see you in a morgue. Having confidence and having experience are too VERY different things.

It's funny how you can train all your life ... many decades ... in any martial art possible ... and then a thug may come up to you and shoot you, having handled a gun for less than a minute. It happens just too often when egos run wild.

 

[Littledragon]

I'd rather sacrifice a few extra bucks than have to dig a bullet out of your brains. I'm sorry to tell you this, but when there is a gun involved, more often than not, the guy holding the weapon is prepared to use it if he/she doesn't get what they want.

If it's one person, then you can take care of the situation while transferring the money. If it's more than one person ... both of which have posession of firearms at ready, then you're better off co-operating. The bullet is always faster than any trick of yours anyways.

Well like I said it all depends how confident you are with your martial art skills. In far range yes I would cooperate but close range like I said it is extremly possible to defend yourself if you know how.

 

[yudansha]

Big mouth ... you are too funny and too arrogant and too naive to realize the truth..

Be real man ... you can't at the moment and I can see that ... in time you'll see the reality.

And like I just said:
"Littledragon LOL ... I guess that's the age talking ... and your ego too ... you try doing that and the next time your parents will see you in a morgue. Having confidence and having experience are too VERY different things.

It's funny how you can train all your life ... many decades ... in any martial art possible ... and then a thug may come up to you and shoot you, having handled a gun for less than a minute. It happens just too often when egos run wild."

 

[Littledragon]

Be real man ... you can't at the moment and I can see that ... in time you'll see the reality.

And like I just said:
"Littledragon LOL ... I guess that's the age talking ... and your ego too ... you try doing that and the next time your parents will see you in a morgue. Having confidence and having experience are too VERY different things.

It's funny how you can train all your life ... many decades ... in any martial art possible ... and then a thug may come up to you and shoot you, having handled a gun for less than a minute. It happens just too often when egos run wild."

Its not ego, its confidence and skill. I am amazed that if you are a martial artist you are saying what you are saying in a gun situation.

Would you say Seagal can't defend against a gun? I think now why skill and confidence.

 

[Serena]

No offense or disrespect of anyone's capabilities intended, but I don't think I'd want someone else taking that chance with the gun in my face. You may defeat the mugger, but I may end up kicking your behind after: "What were you thinking? Are you crazy? He could have killed me." Of course, you never know what you'll really do until you're in such a situation.

 

[Littledragon]

No offense or disrespect of anyone's capabilities intended, but I don't think I'd want someone else taking that chance with the gun in my face. You may defeat the mugger, but I may end up kicking your behind after: "What were you thinking? Are you crazy? He could have killed me." Of course, you never know what you'll really do until you're in such a situation.

Well like I said, it all depends on how skilled the martial artist is.

 

[yudansha]

How did SS get into this?

I'm just saying that Steven Seagal is a very wise man, and in his condition right now, I think he'd better co-operate with the gunman than try and get a heart-attack. He may have the skill ... but I'm not sure that at this point in time in particular that he'd be able to use that skill of his on a determined guy with a pistol at him. You don't know the gunman's skill. What you also seem to think is that SS has that invincible side to him. Newsflash buddy: he is NOT invincible (nor immortal for that matter). This has nothing to do with skill. A bullet will beat any martial artist or any group or army of martial artists in an instant.

And what does this mean? --> "I think now why skill and confidence."


"What were you thinking? Are you crazy? He could have killed me." Serena LOL

 

[Littledragon]

I'm just saying that Steven Seagal is a very wise man, and in his condition right now, I think he'd better co-operate with the gunman than try and get a heart-attack. He may have the skill ... but I'm not sure that at this point in time in particular that he'd be able to use that skill of his on a determined guy with a pistol at him. You don't know the gunman's skill. What you also seem to think is that SS has that invincible side to him. Newsflash buddy: he is NOT invincible (nor immortal for that matter).

And what does this mean? --> "I think now why skill and confidence."


"What were you thinking? Are you crazy? He could have killed me." Serena LOL

I really don't think you get it so I will end it here.

 

[yudansha]

The only thing I don't get is that one sentence.

I do get it. It is I who don't think you get it. Time will show you.
Give it time. ... You'll see ... you'll change.

 

[Littledragon]

I do get it. It is I who don't think you get it. Time will show you.
Give it time. ... You'll see ... you'll change.

No I will not. Don't [;ay age to be a factor here. It is very possible for a martial artist to defend himself from a gun.

 

[Serena]

Brings to mind that scene in Indiana Jones, where the bad guy is doing some fancy moves with the sword, threatening Indy. So what does our hero do?

First this -------->
Then this ------->

End of scene.

 

[Littledragon]

Brings to mind that scene in Indiana Jones, where the bad guy is doing some fancy moves with the sword, threatening Indy. So what does our hero do?

First this -------->
Then this ------>

End of scene.

LOL

Thats coreographed.

But for real if you have some of the best martial artists in the world saying that it is possible, its possible. A highly skilled martial artist can defend against a gun in close range.

 

[yudansha]

Yes Serena LOL

In this case, the role of that bad guy would be portrayed by the martial artist trying to get the gun away ... while the gunman would roll his eyes and shoot the failing attempt.


Littledragon LOL ... in your case, age is a very big factor ... get used to it ... one day it will change.


Listen those martial artists can say things all they want. They can show you tricks you haven't seen before, but it's with people who aim their weapons without having any concern for doing harm. When a real situation comes up, that martial practice will become obsolete as different kinds of skills will need to be employed first.

 

[Littledragon]

In this case, the role of that bad guy would be portrayed by the martial artist trying to get the gun away ... while the gunman would roll his eyes and shoot the failing attempt.


Littledragon LOL ... in your case, age is a very big factor ... get used to it ... one day it will change.

I really hate when people use age as an excuse for making believe one's statement is superior over the other.

Are you a martial artist??