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Mama San

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At least 33 dead in Virginia Tech College!!!!!

At least 33 dead in rampage at Virginia Tech College
15 other people wounded in worst mass shooting in U.S. history


BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman killed 32 people in two shooting incidents Monday at a Virginia university in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. The gunman also was killed, and at least 15 other people were injured.

The shootings, which rang out just four days before the eighth anniversary of the Columbine High School bloodbath near Littleton, Colo., spread panic and confusion at the college, where students and employees angrily asked why the first e-mail warning did not go out to them until the gunman had struck again.

Nearly 50 victims
Federal law enforcement officials said the gunman killed himself after he shot dozens of people at two locations at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, in southwest Virginia. Thirty-two people plus the shooter were confirmed dead.

In addition to the 33 dead, hospitals reported that 15 people were injured. Five were in stable condition; the conditions of the others were not immediately reported.

It was not immediately clear that all of the injured people had been shot. Some may have been injured when they leaped to safety from the fourth floor of a classroom building.

Investigators told NBC News that they had so far been unable to positively identify the gunman, whose face was disfigured when he was killed. He carried no ID or cell phone, and an initial check on his fingerprints came up empty.

Witnesses described him as a man in his 20s, wearing a maroon cap and a black leather jacket. A spokesman for the FBI in Washington said there was no immediate evidence to suggest that the incident was a terrorist attack, “but all avenues will be explored.”

“Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions,” said Charles Steger, the university’s president. “The university is shocked and indeed horrified.”

President Bush said in a brief televised statement: “Schools should be places of sanctuary and safety and learning. When that sanctuary is violated, the impact is felt in every American classroom and every American community. Today, our nation grieves with those who have lost loved ones at Virginia Tech.”

Warnings came too late
Steger and law enforcement authorities gave this account of the day’s events in public statements and comments to NBC News:

The rampage began about 7:15 a.m. ET at West Ambler Johnston, a coeducational residence hall that houses 895 people. The gunman, armed with a 9-mm pistol and a .22-caliber handgun, killed two people there before making his way to Norris Hall, an engineering classroom building on the opposite end of the 2,600-acre campus.

About 9:15, the gunman chained the doors of the classroom building so his potential victims could not escape and police could not enter. There, he shot as many as 46 more people.

Not until 9:26 did the first warning to students and employees go out by e-mail, according to the time stamps on copies obtained by NBC News. By then, the classroom shooting was well under way.

The first e-mail had few details. It said: “A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating.” The message warned students to be cautious and contact police about anything suspicious.

Maurice Hiller, a student, told The Associated Press that he went to a 9 a.m. class just two buildings away from the engineering building and that no warnings were coming over the outdoor public address system on campus at the time.

Steger said at a briefing for reporters that administrators and police initially believed the first shooting was an isolated domestic incident and did not see a need to close the university. Steger said they believed the gunman had fled the campus.

“We can only make decisions based on the information you had on the time. You don’t have hours to reflect on it,” he said.

Inside the engineering building, an “unreal” and bloody scene was unfolding.

“None of us thought it could have been gunshots,” a student who identified himself as Trey Perkins told MSNBC’s Chris Jansing in a telephone interview. “... I’m not sure how long it lasted. It seemed like a really long time.”

Perkins said the gunman never said a word. “He didn’t say, ‘Get down.’ He didn’t say anything.” He just started shooting.”

The gunman left that classroom and then tried to return, but students kept him out by bracing the door closed with their feet. “He started to try to come in again and started shooting through the door,” Perkins said, but hit no one.

“I got on the ground and I was just thinking, like, there’s no way I’m going to survive this,” Perkins said. “All I could keep thinking of was my mom.”

Until Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

The deadliest previous campus shooting in U.S. history took place in 1966 at the University of Texas, where Charles Whitman climbed to the 28th-floor observation deck of a clock tower and opened fire. He killed 16 people before he was gunned down by police.
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May God rest their poor young souls!!

God bless,
Mama san
 

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ShotoScorpion

Child of the Night
My roommate from last year transferred to VA Tech.......I have yet to reach him to see if he is ok.......this tragedy has hit me very hard since Im only hours away.........Im praying for all of them now and Id appreciate it if everyone else would do the same.

Evan
 

Mama San

Administrator
Evan,
Our prayers are with you for your friend and his school mates!!
Please be sure and let us know whatever you are able to learn!!
God bless,
Mama san
 

Anneliese

Happy go Lucky
ShotoScorpion;175064 said:
My roommate from last year transferred to VA Tech.......I have yet to reach him to see if he is ok.......this tragedy has hit me very hard since Im only hours away.........Im praying for all of them now and Id appreciate it if everyone else would do the same.

Evan

Evan, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your roommate and everybody there!!! Hope he is alright and well!! What a tragedy!!! Please let us know when you know more!!!
 

Jules

Potters Clay
A friend of mines son goes to college there. We heard he is fine.

Prayers for all the ones who lost a loved one or one that is hurt.
 

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ORANGATUANG

Wildfire
Stuffed if i know what goes through these peoples heads to do this i saw this on our early morning news it was terrifying to listen to the gunshots ..an aussie girl who luckily got out actually got through to the news desk and let her family here know she was ok...this person who did this is just pure evil and of cause he offed him self gutless piece of sh.it look at all these families that are going to be ruined for life ..
 

starmaiden

Member
he is no more than a "lunatic" sick-minded person...............he's nothing but a vacious murderer..........fell sooooooo sorry for every single family who lost a son or daughter in this scary accident.
starmaiden
 

Mama San

Administrator
Authorities ID gunman in Va. Tech rampage

College president says gunman was a student; 33 killed, 12 still in hospital

BLACKSBURG, Va. - A Virginia Tech senior from South Korea was behind the massacre of at least 30 people locked inside a campus building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university said Tuesday.

Ballistics tests also found that one of the guns used in that attack was also used in a shooting two hours earlier at a dorm that left two people dead, Virginia State Police said.

Police identified the shooter as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior from South Korea who was in the English department at Virginia Tech. Cho, a South Korean native, was in the U.S. as a resident alien with a residence established in Centerville, Va. Cho was living on campus in Harper Residence Hall.

The bloodbath ended with the gunman’s suicide, bringing the death toll from two separate shootings — first at a dorm, then in a classroom building — to 33 and stamping the campus in the picturesque Blue Ridge Mountains with unspeakable tragedy.

'He was a loner'
"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.

Cho had lived legally in the United States with his parents for 14 years, a U.S. immigration official said on Tuesday. He moved to the United States in September 1992 and lived in Centreville, Va., said Chris Bentley, a spokesman with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

South Korea's Foreign Ministry expressed its condolences, saying there was no known motive for the shootings and that South Korea hoped the tragedy would not "stir up racial prejudice or confrontation."

Two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were found on the guns used in the shootings. The serial numbers on the two weapons had been filed off, the officials said.

One law enforcement official said Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.

Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said it was reasonable to assume that Cho was the shooter in both attacks but that link was yet definitive.

“There’s no evidence of any accomplice at either event, but we’re exploring the possibility,” he said.

At least 26 people were taken to hospitals after the second attack, some seriously injured. Twelve students remained hospitalized in stable condition on Tuesday, officials said.

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A screw loose somewhere!!!!!!!!!
27 Students, 2 Professors, 2 Teachers, 1 Lecturer, and the nut! who pulled the trigger!
QUESTION:
WHY was the school not put on immediate lock-down when the first
gun shots were either heard at 7:15am or as soon as school authorities
confirmed the first 2 deaths and that that they had no suspect in custody?
WHY did they wait 2 very long hours and then all they did was to send out
e-mails???????
God bless,
Mama san

Shooter's picture below: identified as Cho Seung-Hui
 

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TDWoj

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Several stations this morning were covering the aftermath. I was watching CBC Newsworld and they had an expert on talking about what might have stopped this rampage. It was so simple, said, the expert, it boggled the imagination.

All the guy needed was someone to be nice to him. An act of kindness; something to distract him from what he was intending. Being treated like an equal, or, at the very least, like a human being.

It'll be interesting to see what comes out about this person. They describe him as a "loner"; I wonder what else will come out about him and how he interacted with the other students, and what happened that might have set him on this path.

On another program (CBS, I think it was) they were interviewing two people, one from the James Brady foundation and one advocating for people to carry concealed weapons. The latter was a woman whose parents had been shot during a rampage at a restaurant in Texas, and who had been blaming herself for not bringing her handgun that day... her point was that such shootings only happen in places where the ordinary citizen doesn't carry weapons. She said it wouldn't have happened if the students and instructors were armed. Even if he had started shooting (knowing that every student and teacher was armed), an armed student or teacher would have taken him down.

Right. An ordinary citizen, with limited or no practice or training, would, with one shot, take down the gunman, without anyone else getting hurt because one shot would be enough.

I know there are many Americans who feel the same way she does, which is one of the reasons I will never visit Texas which permits people to carry concealed weapons (I think Florida does too, doesn't it?).

My question to her would have been: if everyone is armed, how do you tell the good guys from the bad guys? When the police arrive on the scene they are going to take down, with prejudice, anyone with a gun in their hands, because they would have no way of knowing who is the perp and who are the helpful citizen militia.

The shooting was lunacy. But what's worse are the concealed carry advocates who crawl out of the woodwork and trumpet aloud that by being armed themselves, they're protecting themselves.

Lunacy. Sheer, unutterable lunacy.
 

Kookie1980

New Member
I think this is just awful!

The americans go on about having to step up security when things like this happen well why dont they do something about it...its obviously a problem in the states. There are so many things like this happening...Columbine for example.
 

Mama San

Administrator
Professor referred him for psychological counseling. But you can't make him go!!!

College gunman disturbed teachers, classmates
President comforts Virginia Tech after student kills 32 and himself


MSNBC and NBC News

BLACKSBURG, Va. - The gunman who shot 32 people to death before killing himself at a Virginia university was described Tuesday as a depressed and deeply disturbed young man whose “grotesque” creative writing projects led a professor to refer him for psychological counseling.

A day after the man, a 23-year-old senior English major, carried out the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, President Bush joined dozens of state and campus leaders to bring comfort to the students, faculty and staff of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University.

“This is a day of sadness for our entire nation,” the president said.

Thirty-three people were confirmed dead after the bloodbath Monday, including the gunman, whom police identified as Cho Seung-Hui (pronounced Choh Suhng-whee), of Centreville, Va., a resident alien who immigrated to the United States from South Korea in 1992. Nine students remained in hospitals in stable condition Tuesday, MSNBC-TV’s Tucker Carlson reported.

Col. Steven Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said investigators searched Cho’s room in Harper Residence Hall and took away numerous documents. He would not describe the nature of the documents but said there was no evidence that Cho had left behind a suicide note.

The Washington Post reported on its Web site that investigators filed a court affidavit saying that when they discovered Cho’s body Monday in the classroom building where most of his victims were killed, they found a “bomb threat note ... directed at engineering school department buildings.”

Police said Tuesday that there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks but that they had not determined a link to the shootings.

After the shootings, all campus entrances were closed, and classes were canceled for the rest of the week.

Parents ignored administrators’ requests to stay away for now and flooded into Blacksburg to be with their children, NBC News’ Don Teague reported. Every hotel room within miles of the campus was booked Tuesday.

Man alarmed instructors, classmates
A Virginia Tech professor told NBC News that Cho’s creative writing was so disturbing that she referred him to the school’s counseling service, but he would not go. The professor, Lucinda Roy, the English Department’s director of creative writing, would not comment at length on Cho’s writings, saying only that in general they “seemed very angry.”

“I kept saying, ‘Please go to counseling; I will take you to counseling,’ because he was so depressed,” Roy said. But “I was told [by counselors] that you can’t force anybody to go over ... so their hands were tied, too.”

Fellow students in a playwriting class with Cho also noticed the dark and disturbing nature of his compositions.

“His writing, the plays, were really morbid and grotesque,” Stephanie Derry, a senior English major, told the campus newspaper, The Collegiate Times.

“I remember one of them very well. It was about a son who hated his stepfather. In the play, the boy threw a chainsaw around and hammers at him. But the play ended with the boy violently suffocating the father with a Rice Krispy treat,” Derry said.

Otherwise, Cho was a young man who apparently left little impression in the Virginia Tech community. Few of his fellow residents of Harper Hall said they knew the gunman, who kept to himself.

“He can’t have been an outgoing kind of person,” Meredith Daly, 19, of Danville, Va., told MSNBC.com’s Bill Dedman.

In Centreville, the suburb of Washington where Cho’s family lived in an off-white, two-story townhouse, people who knew Cho concurred that he kept to himself.

“He was very quiet, always by himself,” said Abdul Shash, a neighbor. Shash said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball and would not respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet.
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An extremely disturbed young man!!

God bless,
Mama san
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
Yes, he was. There was nothing anyone could do to help him, because he had to consent to the help and he clearly didn't want help. And he could just walk into a pawn shop and a gun store and walk out with pistols, without any kind of background check or waiting period or psychiatric assessment (which I think should be number one in either country, the U.S. and Canada).

I wonder how long his parents knew there was something wrong with him? They're the only ones who could have got help for him, while he was still a minor (this kind of thing would have to have been percolating for years).
 

jhogan

New Member
TDWoj;175103 said:
...Right. An ordinary citizen, with limited or no practice or training, would, with one shot, take down the gunman, without anyone else getting hurt because one shot would be enough.
The South Korean was able to take down 32 people - & he had no training.

I know there are many Americans who feel the same way she does, which is one of the reasons I will never visit Texas which permits people to carry concealed weapons (I think Florida does too, doesn't it?).
I think you need to add more states to your list - Illinois & Wisconsin are the only states that do not allow some from of concealed carry. That means 48 states allow it.
 

jhogan

New Member
TDWoj;175106 said:
Yes, he was. There was nothing anyone could do to help him, because he had to consent to the help and he clearly didn't want help. And he could just walk into a pawn shop and a gun store and walk out with pistols, without any kind of background check or waiting period or psychiatric assessment (which I think should be number one in either country, the U.S. and Canada). ....

Just to offer a correction - he did have a background check; it's required by federal law. And he passed.

One thing though, he was NOT an american citizen - he was a resident alien. Regardless of whether someone believes a citizen has a right to keep & bear arms (which I do), I do not think resident aliens should be allowed to get guns any any circumstances. Not all states allow resident aliens to get guns, but VA does.
 

Mama San

Administrator
Gov. Kaine orders independent investigation

Probe comes after criticism that university failed to protect students

Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) ordered an independent review yesterday of Virginia Tech's handling of Monday's massacre after 24 hours of criticism that the university waited too long to inform students and faculty of a potential danger.

Kaine's announcement came in response to a request from the school's president and board of visitors that the governor take the lead in finding a group of credible, experienced outside examiners. He said the investigation will cover actions taken Monday and questions about whether university officials were warned earlier that the shooter, Cho Seung Hui, was troubled.

As the shooting unfolded, Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said his department did everything it could to keep students safe. Yesterday, Kaine's top law enforcement officials praised Flinchum, calling the university's handling of the shooting "coordinated, prompt and professional."

At the time, Kaine was returning from an aborted trade mission to Japan. In a convocation speech after he returned, Kaine referred to questions about the response as "deep and troubling." Speaking to reporters later, he said he will appoint a panel of independent law enforcement officials to examine what the university knew about Cho and how it dealt with his rampage, which killed 32.

"There will be a very thorough after-action report," Kaine pledged. "Before we talk about any policy changes, we have to get an assessment of what occurred."

Among the questions was why it took campus police more than two hours after an initial shooting at a dormitory to inform students of danger. The delay between that shooting, which killed two students, and a more devastating one two hours later in an academic building could have exposed more students and faculty to danger, critics said. Thirty people were killed in the second shooting.

'A horrific crime scene'
New details provided yesterday might help explain the delay. Authorities said they spent much of the time between the shootings pursuing a young man -- not Cho -- who was romantically connected to one of the initial victims. Police revealed other new information yesterday, including that 9mm and .22-caliber guns had been recovered from Norris Hall, the scene of the second round of shootings, and that ballistics tests showed that the 9mm Glock had been used in both incidents.

Police also searched Cho's dorm room, looking for, among other things, "ammunition, weapons, explosives" in response to discovering a "bomb threat note . . . directed at engineering school department buildings" near the Norris shootings, according to an affidavit filed with a local court. Officials said in the document that they think Cho was the author of the threat.

Norris was "a horrific crime scene," Flinchum said yesterday. "What went on there caused tremendous chaos and panic" that have complicated police officers' ability to process the crime scene.

Personal effects were strewed in many places. Victims were found in four classrooms on the second floor and in a stairwell. Cho was found among several victims in a classroom. He had shot himself, police said.

State officials characterized the outside review as standard procedure for emergencies and compared it to state reviews conducted after Hurricane Isabel and the Washington area sniper shootings.

Parental outrage
But after a closed-door meeting of the board of visitors that followed the afternoon convocation, university leaders recognized the intensity and magnitude of the nation's worst shooting rampage by an individual by requesting higher-level involvement from Kaine than the usual report.

Kaine, who said he would appoint the panel members within a few days, said he had several people in mind. He vowed they would find answers to some of the "natural questions" that have been raised on television programs and in headlines.

"That is the purpose for immediately commencing this review," the governor said.

Many parents of Virginia Tech students continued to question the decisions made by university administrators and police -- notably, the decision not to send out an e-mail about the first shooting until 9:26 a.m., more than two hours after the attack was reported, and not to cancel classes or shut down the campus until after the classroom shootings.

"These students had the right to know there was an incident in the morning, that there was a murder and a gunman on the loose, and for them to make a decision based on that about whether to go to class or not," said Carl Ruggiero of Stafford, whose daughter Sarah is a freshman. "That opportunity was not given to them. . . . They had absolutely no help whatsoever. These kids were sitting ducks."

Ruggiero contrasted the university's reaction to the dorm shooting with its decision in August to shut down the campus and order students to stay indoors while police searched for a man who escaped from a local jail and shot a sheriff's deputy near campus early on the first day of classes.

Image concerns?
State and law enforcement sources said the investigation has not allowed them to fully explain some of their actions Monday, and they said they think an independent review will show their actions were proper. One official said, for example, that the decision to treat the first shooting as a domestic dispute was a common-sense policing decision that was logical at the time.
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And so it continues........
God bless,
Mama san
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
jhogan;175118 said:
The South Korean was able to take down 32 people - & he had no training.

It's actually very easy to take out a lot of people with a handgun; handguns are notoriously inaccurate to aim at specific targets after a certain number of feet unless you're within fairly close range. A semi-automatic - which he had - fires off, what, at least 30 rounds per minute? All he has to do is sweep a room crowded with students and down they go.

It's less easy to take out just one, at a distance, if you haven't had any target practice.

I think you need to add more states to your list - Illinois & Wisconsin are the only states that do not allow some from of concealed carry. That means 48 states allow it.

I knew there was more than one reason why I never want to visit the U.S.
 

Mama San

Administrator
Gunman sent package to NBC News

‘I didn’t have to do this,’ says message mailed between shootings

Sometime after he killed two people in a Virginia university dormitory but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, Cho Seung-Hui mailed NBC News a large package, including photographs and videos, lamenting that “I didn’t have to do this,” the network said Wednesday.

Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, killed 32 people in two attacks before taking his own life.

NBC News President Steve Capus said the network received the package in Wednesday morning’s mail delivery and immediately turned the materials over to FBI agents in New York.

The package included an 1,800-word manifesto-like statement diatribe in which he expresses rage, resentment and a desire to get even.

The material is “hard-to-follow ... disturbing, very disturbing — very angry, profanity-laced,” Capus said in an interview late Wednesday afternoon.

The material does not include any images of the shootings Monday, but it does contain “vague references,” including “things like ‘this didn’t have to happen,’ ” Capus said.

“You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today,” Cho says on one of the videos. “But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off.”

Capus said gloved NBC security personnel handled the package very carefully as soon as it arrived. The network immediately called the FBI and turned it over.

The package bore a U.S. Postal Service stamp recording that it had been received at a Virginia post office at 9:01 a.m. ET Monday, about an hour and 45 minutes after Cho shot two people in the West Ambler Johnston residence hall on the Virginia Tech campus and shortly before Cho entered Norris Hall, where he killed 30 more people.

“We probably would have received the mail earlier had it not been that he had the wrong address and ZIP code,” Capus said.

Shooter speaks on camera
Among the materials are 23 QuickTime video files showing Cho talking directly to the camera, Capus said. He does not name anyone specifically, but he mentions “sin” and “spilling” his blood and talks at length about his hatred of the wealthy.

The production of the videos is uneven, with Cho’s voice so soft that at times it is hard to understand him. But they indicate that Cho had worked on the package for some time, because he not only “took the time to record the videos, but he also broke them down into snippets” that were embedded paragraph by paragraph into the main document, Capus said.

The package also includes 29 photographs. He looks like a normal, smiling college student in only the first two. In the rest, he presents a stern face; in 11, he aims handguns at the camera that are “consistent with what we’ve heard about the guns in this incident,” Capus said.

Other photographs show Cho holding a knife, and some show hollow-point bullets lined up on a table.

“This may be a very new, critical component of this investigation,” said Col. Steven Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police, the lead agency investigating the shootings. “We’re in the process right now of attempting to analyze and evaluate its worth.”

Detention order issued
As early as 2005, police and school administrators were wrestling with what to do with Cho, who was accused of stalking two female students and was sent to a mental health facility after police obtained a temporary detention order.

The two women complained to campus police that Cho was contacting them with “annoying” telephone calls and e-mail messages in November and December 2005, campus Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.

Cho was referred to the university’s disciplinary system, but Flinchum said the woman declined to press charges, and the case apparently never reached a hearing.

However, after the second incident, the department received a call from an acquaintance of Cho’s, who was concerned that he might be suicidal, Flinchum said. Police obtained a temporary detention order from a local magistrate, and in December of that year, Cho was voluntarily but briefly admitted to Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, NBC News’ Jim Popkin reported.

To issue a detention order under Virginia law, a magistrate must find both that the subject is “mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment” and that the subject is “an imminent danger to himself or others, or is so seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for himself.”

According to a doctor’s report accompanying the order, which was obtained by NBC News, Cho was “depressed,” but “his insight and judgment are normal.” The doctor, a clinical psychologist, noted that Cho “denies suicidal ideations.”

Cho was released, said Dr. Harvey Barker, director of the health center.

“If a person is able, at that moment, to ah persuade a psychiatrist [and] the hospital treating team that they are OK to be released — I imagine sometimes that does happen,” Barker told NBC News.

Under the law, the magistrate could have issued a stronger detention order mandating inpatient treatment, but there was no indication Wednesday that such an order was ever entered. A spokesman for Carilion St. Albans told NBC News that he could not discuss Cho’s case because of patient confidentiality and privacy laws, but he said the hospital was cooperating with the investigation.

Otherwise, Flinchum said, there were no further police incidents involving Cho until the deadly shootings Monday, first in a young woman’s dormitory room and then at a classroom building across campus. Neither of the alleged stalking victims was among the victims Monday.

In addition to the 33 people confirmed dead, including the gunman, nine people remained in hospitals in stable condition, hospital authorities said.
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May the Saints preserve us!!
God bless,
Mama san

2 of several pictures this screwball sent to NBC!
Must have thought he was John Dillinger!!
 

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Mama San

Administrator
QUESTION.............

This young man is a native of
South Korea. He and his famly are, what are
referred to as, resident aliens.



Now, someone tell me how a
"resident alien" can, legally, buy any fire arm?
I was under the impression that it was against
the laws of the United States to sell any type
of fire arm to any immigrant/alien that has not
become a naturlized citizen of the United States!
:confused:

Opinions?

God bless,
Mama san
 
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