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marky96

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ORANGATUANG;202250 said:
Why is it that when Steven does wrong you find out whom the most committed fans are the rest well they just want to get on the band wagon and carry on like cut snakes ..as for this person i say you can catch alot more with honey then you can do with vinegar..


now it speak in language some will understand..as for Steven losing fans well that was happening way before this came to veiw so dont come the custard and have that weak excuse he is losing fans because of this crap..every actor loses fans ..just the way it is and i can say this monkey aint going any way ..and if people dont like what i write well stiff cheddar..

Just because I am not necessarily supporting Seagal blindly like a sheep in this court case, because I think he could have done this, does not mean I am not a committed fan. I buy every film and CD he makes. whether I think they are good or not. Does not mean I have to think Seagal is a good person now does it? I'm happy to 'get on the band wagon and carry on like cut snakes' thank you.

I'm afraid you're correct about Seagal losing fans well before this ORANGATUANG, his career was looking up recently but before that had been in a pretty sorry state for some years. And like you see monkey do like monkey see.

STEVENPULLMYHAIR;202254 said:
Yes many people have mentioned that she was on the Tyra Banks show a year ago. The most interesting part about her appearing on that show was the fact that THE EPISODE WAS CALLED "GAY KINGDOM", THIS CHICK IS A LESBIAN. Do I know if Steven is innocent or not, NO. But as a fan I will be behind him through whatever comes his way, thats what true loyalty is all about. If you want to stand up for this chick and refer to her as a "victim" but yet in the same sentence say "innocent until proven guilty"..YOU are the one who doesn't make any sense. ANYONE can claim this happened. The fact is, she still hasn't filed any criminal charges with the Jefferson Parish Police dept. If she was accusing a normal guy of these acts, do you think she would be asking for a million dollars? NO. I'm starting to get sick of "marky96" critisizing every post on here. WE GET IT. You're a "fan" of stevens' but you think this story is too detailed to be "made up". The fact is, I live and work in Los Angeles. I hear stories like this ALL the time. I admit that it does get old after a while hearing these stories. This girl moved out here to become an actress. This town is full of people trying to make something of themselves and become wealthy. EVERYTHING has to do with money out here, as sad as it is to say that, its the truth that many don't want to admit. So before you start standing up for this chick you know very little about, take all that into consideration. I know I have.

I don't think true loyalty means sticking with someone no matter what happens in their private life. I think my argument makes perfect sense, I consider Seagal innocent until proven guilty, but I also consider Kayden Nguyen to be a victim until anything else is proven. Until a court of law decides anything different that is how I shall view both parties, equally.
Perhaps she didn't file any charges with the Jefferson Parish Police dept. because she knew Seagal was a reserve deputy chief with many years and many friends on the force. I'm not concerned with the fact that she is asking for $1m, Seagal can more than afford it, and surely, if he is found guilty, which is not saying that he will be, then a payout would be better than a jail term? I am starting to get very sick of you STEVENPULLMYHAIR, as I am sure a lot of other people are too I'm afraid. I'm not criticizing you or anyone else's posts, merely putting across my own opinion as I'm entitled to do as a member of this forum. In case you're not familiar with it, let me remind you that is how forums usually work.
 

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And let me remind everyone that while discussing the merits - or the lack thereof - of the case is permitted, including disagreeing with one another, flame wars and member to member personal attacks will NOT be permitted. Keep it civil. And keep it clean.
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
marky96;202249 said:
Couldn't agree more Ruthless. I fear that he is already losing many fans.


marky,

I disagree. Tis' me prediction that Steven Seagal's fans will continue to thrive and grow through any challenge or slanderings in future

No need to fear marky, Steven Seagal is here :p
 

marky96

Active Member
Donald Lee Wilkey;202263 said:
marky,

I disagree. Tis' me prediction that Steven Seagal's fans will continue to thrive and grow through any challenge or slanderings in future

No need to fear marky, Steven Seagal is here :p

It could well be that if found innocent Seagal, his career and his fans will thrive. However I feel that even if he is innocent, his career will be damaged just by the very fact there have been allegations.
 

Ruthless

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ORANGATUANG;202250 said:
Why is it that when Steven does wrong you find out whom the most committed fans are the rest well they just want to get on the band wagon and carry on like cut snakes ..as for this person i say you can catch alot more with honey then you can do with vinegar..


now it speak in language some will understand..as for Steven losing fans well that was happening way before this came to veiw so dont come the custard and have that weak excuse he is losing fans because of this crap..every actor loses fans ..just the way it is and i can say this monkey aint going any way ..and if people dont like what i write well stiff cheddar..

So what if you don't agree with me? Do you think I'm gonna give a damn :p I'm not forcing you to read what I write or prove how much of a Seagal fan you are. At the end of the day, I'm saying what I think about the situation. If you think Seagal has been played by some girl, write a letter and show Steven you care. Even better yet, offer him a hand or two...job that is. I'm sure he won't say no.
 

Ruthless

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STEVENPULLMYHAIR;202254 said:
The fact is, I live and work in Los Angeles. I hear stories like this ALL the time. I admit that it does get old after a while hearing these stories. This girl moved out here to become an actress. This town is full of people trying to make something of themselves and become wealthy. EVERYTHING has to do with money out here, as sad as it is to say that, its the truth that many don't want to admit. So before you start standing up for this chick you know very little about, take all that into consideration. I know I have.

Before you start standing up for Steven, take into consideration, you don't know much about him either. Unless your his best friend? No..didn't think so. My point still stands, he has fudge all to lose...imo if I had to go after a celebrity, he wouldn't be my first choice.
 

marky96

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Ruthless;202278 said:
So what if you don't agree with me? Do you think I'm gonna give a damn :p I'm not forcing you to read what I write or prove how much of a Seagal fan you are. At the end of the day, I'm saying what I think about the situation. If you think Seagal has been played by some girl, write a letter and show Steven you care. Even better yet, offer him a hand or two...job that is. I'm sure he won't say no.

Totally agree, well said.
 

marky96

Active Member
Ruthless;202279 said:
Before you start standing up for Steven, take into consideration, you don't know much about him either. Unless your his best friend? No..didn't think so. My point still stands, he has fudge all to lose...imo if I had to go after a celebrity, he wouldn't be my first choice.

Again, well said.
 

lutje

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Oooo Marky96, what you say abauth Steven is not true ,Steven is a very good man ,and he loves his famely ,and what you say here ,thats makes me realy mad.
You must think what you whritten here.
Lutje.
 

Donald Lee Wilkey

A Steven Seagal fan
marky96;202265 said:
It could well be that if found innocent Seagal, his career and his fans will thrive. However I feel that even if he is innocent, his career will be damaged just by the very fact there have been allegations.

Your assumtion and prediction remains yet to be proven? Allegations in themselves are lies marky, just lies. Anyone knows this simple fact
 
Marky, I think you misunderstood. This is what I was referring to. Read this article about the this innocent little "victim". The end is my favorite.

Jefferson Parish Sheriff Newell Normand today invited Kayden Nguyen, a California woman who filed a lawsuit alleging she was held captive at a Jean Lafitte mansion by actor and reserve deputy Steven Seagal and treated like a "sex toy" during the taping of the television show "Steven Seagal: Lawman," to contact the agency and file a criminal complaint.
"I will treat Mr. Seagal no differently than any other employee of the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office. I'm not moved one iota by virture of his being a movie star or the fact that the national media has an interest in this case," Normand said at a news conference.

Without an official complaint, Normand said his office could not move forward with any type of investigation in the matter, as per a long-standing Sheriff's Office policy. When such allegations arise, Normand said his office always lets the criminal investigation proceed before conducting any type of administrative hearing. The sheriff also noted that it is not the agency's policy to open investigations into allegations made in lawsuits, whether they are filed in California or Jefferson Parish.

"If we're going to be fair to both sides, we would require to victim to come in," he said.

Normand said he heard Nguyen's attorney, William Waldo, say she felt uncomfortable having the Sheriff's Office handle a criminal complaint. But Normand pointed out that the agency has put its own deputies in jail before and can handle any investigation.

"The message that I'm sending to Mr. Waldo today is that he can rest assured that if his client is willing to subject herself to giving us a statement relative to these alleged acts, that we will appropriately investigate the matter," Normand said. "If he does not have a level of comfort there, I would invite him to go to the FBI."

When reached by telephone Wednesday evening, Waldo said that he had not been directly contacted by the sheriff.

But when asked whether his client intended to file a criminal complaint, Waldo said, "I'm not going to talk, speculate, consider or anything else about anything that Ms. Nguyen may or may not do anywhere, anytime. The only thing I will talk about and the only thing that has happened is a complaint for damages filed in the Los Angeles County Superior Court."

The sheriff also said he contacted A&E, the network that airs Seagal's unscripted show based on his affiliation with the Sheriff's Office as a reserve deputy, to cancel taping.

"I informed A&E and ITTV that I did not believe at the present time in light of all of this interest and in light of the filing of this particular lawsuit and in light of the disruptive behavior that may end up existing ... that I did not think it would be in our best interest to continue filming at the present time," Normand said.
Nguyen, 23, filed the civil lawsuit (read the lawsuit ) Monday in Los Angeles in state Superior Court and accused Seagal, 59, of illegal trafficking of females for sex, sexual harassment, failure to prevent sexual harassment, retaliation, wrongful termination and false representation about employment.

In the lawsuit, Nguyen said she was told upon her hiring that she would be an executive assistant performing clerical work for Seagal. But she asserts she actually was hired to be an "attendant" to the star and expected to provide "sex on call to him 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

Normand had little information about the allegations other than what was included in the lawsuit. But he said he has been able to confirm that Nguyen did indeed call for a taxi on the night of Feb. 28, when she says she escaped from Seagal and the Lafitte mansion. Normand said Nguyen actually contacted a Jefferson deputy that night to call a cab for her.

"I spoke to that officer, and that officer indicated that there was not any sense of distress at all. In fact, there was a sense of frustration because she could not get a cab to come to Lafitte," the sheriff said.

A representative with the unidentified cab company that eventually picked up Nguyen told the deputy that they'd been to the address before and had been sent away because the person who called changed their mind about leaving, Normand said.

Seagal's attorney, Martin Singer, has called Nguyen a disgruntled former employee.

"I am extremely confident this meritless lawsuit will be dismissed. Ms. Nguyen filed her lawsuit without even notifying Mr. Seagal or his representatives of her alleged claims, because she was aware that claims could be asserted against her based on her own conduct," he said.

 

ORANGATUANG

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Ruthless;202279 said:
Before you start standing up for Steven, take into consideration, you don't know much about him either. Unless your his best friend? No..didn't think so. My point still stands, he has fudge all to lose...imo if I had to go after a celebrity, he wouldn't be my first choice.

Thank god for that iam sure the feelings mutual ..so keep going on till your blue in the face doesnt change some here at all if anything we get our backs up even more and you well you just lose..
 

marky96

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ORANGATUANG;202300 said:
Thank god for that iam sure the feelings mutual ..so keep going on till your blue in the face doesnt change some here at all if anything we get our backs up even more and you well you just lose..

I'm afraid that is correct Ruthless, no matter what you say it won't 'change some here at all' and that includes ORANGATUANG. Personally I would not stand for her personal attacks or threats against you.
 
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