thid movie sounds bad with the director of foreinger again going for slow-mo and bad action.seagal needs yakuza or under siege 3 made very very soon.also note this reveiw says seagal moves very slow so we can expect more hand slapping again me thinks.i still have high hopes for belly of beast
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justice808
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the trailer?Where??
justice808
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There's gonna be a load of dissapointed Seagal fans if all we get is hand slapping & patty cake
If the only reason you watch Seagal movies is for the fight scenes, then yes, I'd say you are going to be sorely disappointed.
The fight scenes are gravy, as far as I'm concerned. If I like the story, then I can live without the fight scenes (which he doesn't do himself any more anyhow).
However, having read the AintItCool review, and also reading the synopsis for Belly of the Beast on this site, already I don't like the stories, and that's worrying me more than the fact the Steven doesn't do his own fight scenes any more.
The fight scenes are gravy, as far as I'm concerned. If I like the story, then I can live without the fight scenes (which he doesn't do himself any more anyhow).
However, having read the AintItCool review, and also reading the synopsis for Belly of the Beast on this site, already I don't like the stories, and that's worrying me more than the fact the Steven doesn't do his own fight scenes any more.
justice808
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I was just stating a fact.No one wants to see just slapping & patty cake in every movie from now on.Maybe you're a fan of that kind of fighting?I don't know.And for the record,I like Seagal movies for a whole number of reasons,but the fact remains,WHEN IT COMES TO THE FIGHT SCENES,fans are gonna want to see more than pattycake from now on.
Perhaps I am wrong??
Perhaps I am wrong??
justice808
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I happen to like the premise for BOTB.
justice808
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Originally posted by TDWoj
"If the only reason you watch Seagal movies is for the fight scenes, then yes, I'd say you are going to be sorely disappointed."
I watch Seagal films for lots of different reasons,the fight scenes just being one.
"The fight scenes are gravy, as far as I'm concerned. If I like the story, then I can live without the fight scenes (which he doesn't do himself any more anyhow)."
Hello?!That is like saying Jackie Chan fans don't go to his films for the fighting..c'mon...this is supposed to be a action movie!Not a period drama.You will be telling me the action doesn't matter next!
He actually still does some of the fighting himself.I am only talking about the fight scenes because the premise for the film points to them.
"However, having read the AintItCool review, and also reading the synopsis for Belly of the Beast on this site, already I don't like the stories, and that's worrying me more than the fact the Steven doesn't do his own fight scenes any more. "
Give them a chance!You may be pleasently surprised
i agree with justice that the fights have got to be better and lets be honest the early seagal films did not have that great stories like hard to kill and out for justice but they were well made and had great action scenes in them and seagal did all the fighting in the foreinger it was just badly directed.....i say let jackie chan directed a seagal film.
Amen to that Leon, I could'nt agree with you more. I don't mind admitting that I am a fan of Seagal primarily because of his screen martial arts talents and great screen presence rather than for anything else. It seems to be a crime on this board (in the female members eyes anyway) to state the obvious in that his fight scenes have been very dissapointing lately, and heaven help you if you suggest he is even slightly overweight. With a couple of exceptions, his films are junk food for the mind, enjoyable non the less, nothing more nothing less, and I am willing to bet that most of his fans go see his movies for the sole reason that they want to see him kick ass. Most of his fans don't go to see him because he is such a wonderful human being in real life or because he is apparently so sexy, or that he is such a caring man. If people here like him for them reasons, well, fair play to them, there is no harm in it untill they start to patronise other fans and talk down to them because they throw a little critisism his waym, especially when they are not doing it mean spiritedly.
Come on, we don't have to fall out, but we are perfectly entitled to our opinions, seeing as we are fans too.
Peace.
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I agree with this, I think most of his stuff can be categorized as "guilty pleasure", although the same can be said for most Hollywood action output. Even award winning stuff like Black Hawk Down is still a propaganda filled action flick at the end of the day and shouldn't be taken too seriously. I see Seagal films on about the same level as the stuff that Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson etc all put out.
However, I do take Seagal's message quite seriously, even if the movie doesn't always do it justice. for example, I think Above the Law was by far his most "serious" flick, and it does have some commentary in there if you're willing to take it for more than just a beat em up flick. Similarly with On Deadly Ground; the message behind that film was laughed at by critics, but it's still perfectly valid.
Seagal's problem has always been that he got very quickly pigeonholed into a certain type of role, and didn't do much to distance himself from that stereotype. So he ends up having to push his message in the guise of a "lowly" action flick.
I have always maintained that I like watching Steven fighting. That he's not doing the kind of bone-breaking fight scenes that he used to does not bother me one bit (I spent most of the fights scenes in Marked for Death with my eyes shut because they were too much, even for me). I was quite pleased with the fights in The Foreigner, less pleased with those in HPD because I knew he didn't do most of them.
Let's face it, a bad guy who gets a slap from someone Steven's size is going to be hurting, any way you look at it.
The reality is, Steven is getting old; there are going to be fewer kick-a** fight scenes with him doing all of the work, regardless of his size. So there's going to be more drama than action in his films - there's going to be fewer bones broken, because he can't do it anymore (size, age, whatever) - or maybe because he *won't* do it, for whatever reason.
The expectation that he's going to do exactly the same thing now as what he did 16 years ago is entirely unreasonable. The straight up 'action' film (those that don't depend on wires) is pretty much a dead genre, these days, and good directors for such films are few and far between. Clearly, no one - or, hardly anyone - in the US film industry wants to work with Steven any more, either, so he has to go overseas, and work with no-name (well, no-name in North America, his first audience) actors and directors.
Do I expect the same kind of action now as his first four films? No. Do I expect him to play the same kind of character as he did in his first four films? No. Would I like to see more of his old-style kick-a** action? Sure I would - but evolved, maybe, to what he is today, rather than try to do what he did 16 years ago when he was younger and lighter. But I'm not going to moan about the "good old days" if I don't get it.
And yes, I confess, I find him easy on the eyes, and I like to look at him, but I like his fight moves, too, and I like the way he executes his blows, making them look so effortless and casual, 'en passant' almost. Do I find his recent fight scenes disappointing? A little, mostly because he's too busy trying to be coy about his weight. I suspect if he stopped being so coy about it, we'd see more of the good stuff.
Let's face it, a bad guy who gets a slap from someone Steven's size is going to be hurting, any way you look at it.
The reality is, Steven is getting old; there are going to be fewer kick-a** fight scenes with him doing all of the work, regardless of his size. So there's going to be more drama than action in his films - there's going to be fewer bones broken, because he can't do it anymore (size, age, whatever) - or maybe because he *won't* do it, for whatever reason.
The expectation that he's going to do exactly the same thing now as what he did 16 years ago is entirely unreasonable. The straight up 'action' film (those that don't depend on wires) is pretty much a dead genre, these days, and good directors for such films are few and far between. Clearly, no one - or, hardly anyone - in the US film industry wants to work with Steven any more, either, so he has to go overseas, and work with no-name (well, no-name in North America, his first audience) actors and directors.
Do I expect the same kind of action now as his first four films? No. Do I expect him to play the same kind of character as he did in his first four films? No. Would I like to see more of his old-style kick-a** action? Sure I would - but evolved, maybe, to what he is today, rather than try to do what he did 16 years ago when he was younger and lighter. But I'm not going to moan about the "good old days" if I don't get it.
And yes, I confess, I find him easy on the eyes, and I like to look at him, but I like his fight moves, too, and I like the way he executes his blows, making them look so effortless and casual, 'en passant' almost. Do I find his recent fight scenes disappointing? A little, mostly because he's too busy trying to be coy about his weight. I suspect if he stopped being so coy about it, we'd see more of the good stuff.
But it's a complete departure from the kinds of films Steven has made before. His films have always (well, mostly) been solidly based on reality. BOTB goes off rocketing off into fantasy... I mean, channelling spirits and possession, and all that stuff - come on, give me a break! I write that kind of stuff, I don't expect - or even want - Steven Seagal showing up in these kinds of stories.
Ditto for OFAK. It has the same total departure from "the real world" as BOTB (if the lads at AintitCool news reported correctly). That solidly grounded reality is a trademark of his films, that's what made them so much fun to watch, because it *could* be true. No chance of that with either BOTB or OFAK.
(Yes, I know, MFD had a hint of 'magic' in it, but Santa Ria and Obia and Rasta are real Caribbean religions/belief systems.)
So, I'm not looking forward to either film with as much enthusiasm as I did before. It's not going to stop me watching them, or adding them to my dvd collection, mind you.
I have always maintained that I like watching Steven fighting. That he's not doing the kind of bone-breaking fight scenes that he used to does not bother me one bit (I spent most of the fights scenes in Marked for Death with my eyes shut because they were too much, even for me). I was quite pleased with the fights in The Foreigner, less pleased with those in HPD because I knew he didn't do most of them.
Let's face it, a bad guy who gets a slap from someone Steven's size is going to be hurting, any way you look at it.
The reality is, Steven is getting old; there are going to be fewer kick-a** fight scenes with him doing all of the work, regardless of his size. So there's going to be more drama than action in his films - there's going to be fewer bones broken, because he can't do it anymore (size, age, whatever) - or maybe because he *won't* do it, for whatever reason.
The expectation that he's going to do exactly the same thing now as what he did 16 years ago is entirely unreasonable. The straight up 'action' film (those that don't depend on wires) is pretty much a dead genre, these days, and good directors for such films are few and far between. Clearly, no one - or, hardly anyone - in the US film industry wants to work with Steven any more, either, so he has to go overseas, and work with no-name (well, no-name in North America, his first audience) actors and directors.
Do I expect the same kind of action now as his first four films? No. Do I expect him to play the same kind of character as he did in his four films? No. Would I like to see more of his old-style kick-a** action? Sure I would - but evolved, maybe, to what he is today, rather than try to do what he did 16 years ago when he was younger and lighter. But I'm not going to moan about the "good old days" if I don't get it.
And yes, I confess, I find him easy on the eyes, and I like to look at him, but I like his fight moves, too, and I like the way he executes his blows, making them look so effortless and casual, 'en passant' almost. Do I find his recent fight scenes disappointing? A little, mostly because he's too busy trying to be coy about his weight. I suspect if he stopped being so coy about it, we'd see more of the good stuff.
Let's face it, a bad guy who gets a slap from someone Steven's size is going to be hurting, any way you look at it.
The reality is, Steven is getting old; there are going to be fewer kick-a** fight scenes with him doing all of the work, regardless of his size. So there's going to be more drama than action in his films - there's going to be fewer bones broken, because he can't do it anymore (size, age, whatever) - or maybe because he *won't* do it, for whatever reason.
The expectation that he's going to do exactly the same thing now as what he did 16 years ago is entirely unreasonable. The straight up 'action' film (those that don't depend on wires) is pretty much a dead genre, these days, and good directors for such films are few and far between. Clearly, no one - or, hardly anyone - in the US film industry wants to work with Steven any more, either, so he has to go overseas, and work with no-name (well, no-name in North America, his first audience) actors and directors.
Do I expect the same kind of action now as his first four films? No. Do I expect him to play the same kind of character as he did in his four films? No. Would I like to see more of his old-style kick-a** action? Sure I would - but evolved, maybe, to what he is today, rather than try to do what he did 16 years ago when he was younger and lighter. But I'm not going to moan about the "good old days" if I don't get it.
And yes, I confess, I find him easy on the eyes, and I like to look at him, but I like his fight moves, too, and I like the way he executes his blows, making them look so effortless and casual, 'en passant' almost. Do I find his recent fight scenes disappointing? A little, mostly because he's too busy trying to be coy about his weight. I suspect if he stopped being so coy about it, we'd see more of the good stuff.
justice808
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I see what you're saying there TDWoj, but I don't think he's being especially coy about his weight. I think people make it an issue because Hollywood is so appearance-fixated, and everyone "has to be thin". Seagal may be heavy now, but there's no denying he carries it well. The only film where he was slim was Above the Law, in every one since then he's been heavy, but as fans we still accepted him. As I've said before, the only problem I have with his weight is if it's going to impact his fight scenes in a negative way (which it HAS done).
But I don't think he's coy about it. He doesn't seem to care about it as much as others do. He looks comfortable with it, and seems just as happy in recent pics as he was in older pics, even given his bad Hollywood reputation and the fact that he's basically straight to video now. He doesn't look like he's unhappy or shy about his weight is what I'm saying.
But I don't think he's coy about it. He doesn't seem to care about it as much as others do. He looks comfortable with it, and seems just as happy in recent pics as he was in older pics, even given his bad Hollywood reputation and the fact that he's basically straight to video now. He doesn't look like he's unhappy or shy about his weight is what I'm saying.