Seagal frustrates me

[SweetChinMusic]

Why change anything? How about because hes not doing any good movies. Because at one time he was one of the biggest action stars and now hes nothing. Nobody is saying he should do a totally different genre, but why not do something different? Van Damme did and its working for him. IMO I dont think he really cares, I think he just likes making the money, I mean did he even show up for Out of Reach? Cant blame that on the director.

 

[Kotegashi]

I sense a lot of negativity around here.

FIrst of all a little comment on the earlier critic.

Seagal didn't do the choreography in Exit Wounds, it was done by the same team that did the work for The Matrix trilogy. And as they are experts in the Kung-fu and wire martial arts it's no wonder that they used that in the movie. Seagal already has pointed out in several interviews he had a lot of trouble with this because he is used to using "true" techniques.

And furthermore, Seagal is a master in several martial arts and not just aikido. So to me it's only natural that he uses more different styles in his movies. Although I too prefer Aikido.

But now for the most important. Into the sun is the first film in a long time in which Seagal also wrote the story and screenplay and this is reflected in the fight scenes. There is a lot more aikido back in it.

About his weight and stuff, that's a problem most aging men are confronted with. So I don't have a problem with that either, he still can kick some major butt without looking ridiculous.

Furthermore Seagal has or had an attitude problem with the big studios (warner in particular). And when you are on the black list of the studios it becomes hard to get a part in a big budget/big screen movie.

Judging from the latest new about all the films he is making and of what I've seen in Into the sun, Seagal is definitely on his way back.

So let's not get to frustrated with Seagal, a big part isn't his fault.


Peace

 

[SweetChinMusic]

on his way back to what, the companies hes working with right now are horrible

 

[Kotegashi]

on his way back to what, the companies hes working with right now are horrible

Is that so? The companies he's working with are subsidiaries of Sony Pictures Entertainment (Columbia Tristar) and that isn't a horrible company.

But like I said, he has had an attitude problem in the past with the studio (something like Vandamme had with people) and therefore he isn't on the studios popular list anymore. But for example heer in Holland, his latest movies all came in high in the rental and sales charts, so there are a lot of people who still love his movies.

Now, I believe that Seagal keeps improving in the way he has done since Out gor A Kill then he will be able to make it back to the big screen.(no promises that he will actually be back on the big screen though)


Peace

 

[JackCole]

I could be wrong but wasn't the fight scene in Above The Law and not Marked
for Death. Steven only really started having weight problems after he s divorce from Kelly Le Brock. It is kind of strange to be the same type of character in
most your movies you do, it will tend with draw the audience. Out For Reach
although not one of his best near the end did anybody notice when the that guy he had the sword fight, took the sword from the wall and slashed Steven across the chest. For some reason after that shot the camera went right back
to his face and he actually looked like he was hurt. I mean it did not look like
he was acting, it looked like he really hurt himself. With Exit Wounds Steven
also started working with rappers which was a huge surprise to me. DMX
is cool in the movie but for gods sakes why Tom Arnold of all people.
He also worked with Ja-Rule, who was not as good as DMX but is
still a rapper, can anybody tell me why? Oh! also about 6 months ago I
was looking at the movies that Seagal was working on and their was one
that really interested me and nowe when I go to look it is not their any-
more. It was called "Unleashed" and it sounded like it was going to be a
great movie, so what happened?

 

[SweetChinMusic]

Is that so? The companies he's working with are subsidiaries of Sony Pictures Entertainment (Columbia Tristar) and that isn't a horrible company.

But like I said, he has had an attitude problem in the past with the studio (something like Vandamme had with people) and therefore he isn't on the studios popular list anymore. But for example heer in Holland, his latest movies all came in high in the rental and sales charts, so there are a lot of people who still love his movies.

Now, I believe that Seagal keeps improving in the way he has done since Out gor A Kill then he will be able to make it back to the big screen.(no promises that he will actually be back on the big screen though)


Peace

Are you talking about distribution, because Im talking about visual effects companies like WWFX?

Improving...ive seen nothing but a decline...and Out of Reach was the icing on the cake is what made me the angry fan I am today.

 

[tora]

The biggest problem,in my opinion,is that some of you folks just keep sticking to the past and don't wanna grow up.You still consider him only as an action performer and you know what?People keep complaining about him ruining his own movie career...but actually it's them people who are doing this saying so.A thought is a major destructive weapon.Just like you've never heard him telling us what kind of movies he would wanna make,huh?Honestly,I see nobody even gives a damn about what he wants to try,nobody even considers him trying it...everybody wants entertainment,bonebreaking,entertainment,bonebreaking...Don't you wanna open your eyes?There's more than that to share with people,much more than that.
Sorry for blowing up but this really moved me and I had to say so.I won't go back to this anymore until something ever changes.

 

[Serena]

The biggest problem,in my opinion,is that some of you folks just keep sticking to the past and don't wanna grow up.You still consider him only as an action performer and you know what?People keep complaining about him ruining his own movie career...but actually it's them people who are doing this saying so.A thought is a major destructive weapon.Just like you've never heard him telling us what kind of movies he would wanna make,huh?Honestly,I see nobody even gives a damn about what he wants to try,nobody even considers him trying it...everybody wants entertainment,bonebreaking,entertainment,bonebreaking...Don't you wanna open your eyes?There's more than that to share with people,much more than that.
Sorry for blowing up but this really moved me and I had to say so.I won't go back to this anymore until something ever changes.

Amen. Well said. Thank you very much. I've said it all a hundred other times around here before and just didn't have the energy to say it again.

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

Folks on this thread, slow your engines down and RE-WATCH Steven Seagal's films. Then, you will have more movie watching enjoyment and LEARN someting about TRULY taking pleasure in any cinematic release in the future

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

Amen. Well said. Thank you very much. I've said it 100 other times around here and just didn't have the energy to say it again.

I agree with your statement. all the folks who are criticizing Steven Seagal's performances are "impatient" and "lacking" in acknowledging Mr.Seagal's growth and success in film making industry.
I'd love to see any other fellow cinematic performers Ex Sylvester Stallone, Clint Eastwood, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and many others) do what Steven Seagal can do onto film?
Steven Seagal brings a "new dawning" and "evolution" to our present age of
show business.
All you folks that are dishing out the criticisms to Steven Seagal, let's see what you can do on film with your expertise in acting in a movie????

 

[steve]

Van Damme

To whoever mentioned Van Damme and his recent change of style I loved In Hell and Wake of Death but I'd hardly class them as much different from his older films, he's just being given better scripts and more stylish directors (compared to the horrid The Order and Derailed anyway).

I like both of them but don't want to see them in different genres. Van Damme and Seagal are both great action stars. That is what they do best, that is what the vast majority of fans want from them.

Going off at a tangent is a bad idea with actors who are rooted in the genre they work with best. Even a slight variation (like the makers of Half Past Dead trying to go for a PG-13) can backfire in a big way.

I don't want Seagal to do anything but action, he's simply too superb an action star to do anything but.

AND for the person who said Seagal has been reduced to nothing of late, I'd certainly not class being perhaps the biggest DTV star in the world as ...nothing. His films still make millions worldwide, if he strays from this formula I fear it would destroy everything. When he doesn't have a hack director at the helm (not naming names though) he's as superb as ever.

Exit Wounds was a tremendous action film, Belly of the Beast was superb and Into the Sun looks top-notch. As long as he keeps making action films I'll keep watching 'em.

 

[Littledragon]

No matter who it is, you all will never be happy with Seagal at this stage. Just be positive and keep the faith. I have said this sooo many times, Seagal is working very hard for us fans to please us.

Again, apreciate that Seagal is still around to make us movies.

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

No matter who it is, you all will never be happy with Seagal at this stage. Just be positive and keep the faith. I have said this sooo many times, Seagal is working very hard for us fans to please us.

Again, apreciate that Seagal is still around to make us movies.

Well said, Littledragon!!!!!

 

[Littledragon]

Well said, Littledragon!!!!!

Thanks. I think we all have to keep in mind that Seagal is aging, so we should not expect him to do those specatacular action scenes he once did, but his screen presence, martial art skills, and charisma will still always be visible.

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

Thanks. I think we all have to keep in mind that Seagal is aging, so we should not expect him to do those specatacular action scenes he once did, but his screen presence, martial art skills, and charisma will still always be visible.

i agree. all stars in hollywood age. just like clint eastwood for example is aging, who once offered us film goers a movie worth watching

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

Steven Seagal has the brains & the ability even at his age to be a solid actor. He seems to recognize the importance & value of exposing yourself to different challenges in his life except for 1 thing, his movie roles. He basically has played the same character within the same type of movie since day 1. Not only that, the only time there was an attempt to show depth in 1 of his characters was his role in Out for Justice where he actually not only spoke more than 10 sentences but also projected his voice naturally. As far as his martial arts choreography, why is he or his production people trying to jump on the "crouching tiger" / "matrix" bandwagon & going as far as to use body doubles now during these sequences. What happened to the realistcally street & the pure Aikido approach that was so impactful & unique (for example, the bar fight/pool table scene in Out for Justice) or the shopping store fight scene found in Marked for Death????
He really needs to get back to the basics of Aikido in his movies & atthe same time challenge himself to take on different types of roles like " the bad guy" or more drama based &/or comedy based movie roles. Also, start surrounding yourself with higher calibur actors even if it means not having the leading role. He has only done this once in his career as far as I'm concerned. That is, with Tommy Lee Jones & Gary Busey & maybe Kurt Russell. Take on projects that would at least start to change our 1 dimensional perceptions of him. Take notes from Deniro who refuses to do anymore mob-like movies just in time before he was to be typecasted into that role for the rest of his career. If Seagal is actually going to be the bad guy in Rush Hour 3, this would be a step in the right direction. But I have to see it to believe because so far no one has been able to confirm this.

Good note, but you're missing the the point. There is so much jealousy surrounding Steven Seagal's presence in filmdom from other actors. Fellow movie stars begin to change their negative reactions to Steven Seagal.
But Steven Seagal is a survivor and a true-movie actor on all levels and in every genre. Steven Seagal has already and will continue to please us with his brand of entertainment that he has to bring to the table. Nobody, and i mean nobody gets rid of Steven Seagal! Steven Seagal is here to stay!!!!

 

[Kotegashi]

Are you talking about distribution, because Im talking about visual effects companies like WWFX?

Improving...ive seen nothing but a decline...and Out of Reach was the icing on the cake is what made me the angry fan I am today.

Visual fx? Okay, have you visited any VfX company sites and took a look at their showreel (demo movies), If you watch all of them at WWFX you can clearly see that they are most certainly not horrible, probably better than most VFX companies I've seen on the net. Even stars like Wesley Snipes and Ray Liotta are working with that company. You do have to remind that with a limited budget, you get limited fx.

For comparison : FX budget for Star Wars Episode II $50 million
Total budget Into the Sun $ 35 million

Besides they did a lot of effects I bet you didn't even notice in the film.

And you've seen nothing but a decline with out of reach for the icing on the cake? You've got to be kidding me. Out for a kill is the all time low for Seagal, then came Belly of the beast which was better and then came Out of Reach which was in my opinion for acting a lot better and then comes Into The Sun which is a pretty good movie.

Don't be so negative, be positive.

 

[Funksonic7]

"Going off at a tangent is a bad idea with actors who are rooted in the genre they work with best. Even a slight variation (like the makers of Half Past Dead trying to go for a PG-13) can backfire in a big way."

This is not what I mean. I'm talking in terms of having more character depth. Plus, exploring different genre will make his acting more dynamic. I was initially drawn to his movies for yes his screen presence & the martial arts scenes. I was floored at his fight scenes as far as how realistic they were. Most action movies were very unrealistic as to how 1 would "take care of business" in a real street situation b4 Seagal. By the way, Van Damme's martial arts abilities is nothing more than athletic. His name shouldn't even be used in the same sentence as Seagal or Jet Li.
I think Seagal could do well with a role similar to what Deniro plays in Meet The Parents/Fockers. Whether it flops or not, I would appreciate the fact that he is exploring new ground away from his comfort zone just like he has with other aspects of his life like not just learning Aikido but explored other martial art forms or when he pursued a musical career. This is all good. I just wish he approached his movies & acting talents with the same attitude.

 

[Isa Marie]

He should struggle in the realistic sense to a certain extent with his fight scenes. But I would have to say that his fight scene in EW showed a complete disregard for the true ways & essence of Aikido. Their was no flow. Seagal needs to reconnect with Moreihei Ueshiba.

I really agree with you Funk !!It was his best time !!

 

[Littledragon]

"Going off at a tangent is a bad idea with actors who are rooted in the genre they work with best. Even a slight variation (like the makers of Half Past Dead trying to go for a PG-13) can backfire in a big way."

This is not what I mean. I'm talking in terms of having more character depth. Plus, exploring different genre will make his acting more dynamic. I was initially drawn to his movies for yes his screen presence & the martial arts scenes. I was floored at his fight scenes as far as how realistic they were. Most <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=action%20movies" onmouseover="window.status='action movies'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">action movies</a> were very unrealistic as to how 1 would "take care of business" in a real street situation b4 Seagal. By the way, Van Damme's martial arts abilities is nothing more than athletic. His name shouldn't even be used in the same sentence as Seagal or Jet Li. I think Seagal could do well with a role similar to what Deniro plays in Meet The Parents/Fockers. Whether it flops or not, I would appreciate the fact that he is exploring new ground away from his comfort zone just like he has with other aspects of his life like not just learning Aikido but explored other martial art forms or when he pursued a musical career. This is all good. I just wish he approached his movies & acting talents with the same attitude.

Well said!! I totally agree with you! If he has so much passion for Martial Arts that he claims to have, why is he still a 1st Degree Black Belt in Shotokan Karate.