Seagal & Van Damme????

[Mama San]

I mistakenly deleted a post this morning by Dark Man X!
It was not my intention at the time.
My apologies to Dark Man X!!
God bless,
Mama san

 

[Dark Man X]

Originally posted by Mama san
I mistakenly deleted a post this morning by Dark Man X!
It was not my intention at the time.
My apologies to Dark Man X!!
God bless,
Mama san

Why was it taken out?

 

[Jace]

I smell green(test)

 

[Littledragon]

I have enjoyed many of Van Damm's movies
but he has always struck me more of a ballet
artist than a Martial Arts type performer. His "moves"
are usually well choreographed but no Martial Arts
"abilities" are shown outside a sound stage. While
Steven's abilities are very well documented all
over the world!
Just an opinion!
God bless,
Mama san

LOL that's what my master has always said!! Van Damme is not a very good Martial Artist, I like some of his movies and I am a fan.

 

[Littledragon]

Do you know Van Damme? Nobody believes in Seagal's abilities anymore, so let's not bash other MA. I'm not VD's biggest fan, but he made alot of money regardless of his true MA ability.

First of all Seagal is a legend in Martial Arts, no one should question his abilities because he has proved himself by attaing a 7th dan black belt in Aikido being a white boy and training with the top masters in Japan, studying Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with the Machado's, some of the best grapplers in the world. Studying ****o-Ryu Karate and attaining a black belt level, training under Karate legend, Fumio-Demura. Having a black belt in Judo as well as a black belt in Kendo/Kenjitsu.

Van Damme dropped out of high school and enrolled in ballet that is where he got his flexibility, he is just a 1st degree black belt in karate, don't believe me?.. Look at the picture below, only 1 stripe (dan). He doesn't have the experience Seagal has had.

 

[lead phoenix]

First of all Seagal is a legend in Martial Arts, no one should question his abilities because he has proved himself by attaing a 7th dan black belt in Aikido being a white boy and training with the top masters in Japan, studying Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with the Machado's, some of the best grapplers in the world. Studying ****o-Ryu Karate and attaining a black belt level, training under Karate legend, Fumio-Demura. Having a black belt in Judo as well as a black belt in Kendo/Kenjitsu.

Van Damme dropped out of high school and enrolled in ballet that is where he got his flexibility, he is just a 1st degree black belt in karate, don't believe me?.. Look at the picture below, only 1 stripe (dan). He doesn't have the experience Seagal has had.

Damn straight man. There is no questioning this Versus debate. Van Damme cannot compete againts Seagal. Seagal is the real deal buddy. Besides Bruce Lee, I cannot think of a more skilled martial artist. Not to mention every other accomplishment related and not related to martial arts that Seagal has attained.

 

[Littledragon]

Damn straight man. There is no questioning this Versus debate. Van Damme cannot compete againts Seagal. Seagal is the real deal buddy. Besides Bruce Lee, I cannot think of a more skilled martial artist. Not to mention every other accomplishment related and not related to martial arts that Seagal has attained.

Rickson Gracie, imo the greatest fighter alive, Mas Oyama Kyukoshin Karate founder and Master, he killed 52 bulls 4 instantly with 1 punch and 43 dehorned by his knife hand. Had the strongest punch in the world and once killed a man instantly with one punch.

Gogen Yamaguchi killed a Tiger when he was put in a cage with a Tiger when he got captured during WW2.

Those will always be my top Martial Artists.

 

[Storm]

Why was he fighting bulls anyway? Seems strange that. The Van Damme and Seagal thing has come up so many times. No doubt Seagal is superior by a mile in ability and achievements,but Damme comes across well on screen too.

 

[Lollipop]

Doesn't Van Damme have his own website, when I see his name it ruins my mental picture of SS?

 

[Jace]

First of all Seagal is a legend in Martial Arts, no one should question his abilities because he has proved himself by attaing a 7th dan black belt in Aikido being a white boy and training with the top masters in Japan, studying Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with the Machado's, some of the best grapplers in the world. Studying ****o-Ryu Karate and attaining a black belt level, training under Karate legend, Fumio-Demura. Having a black belt in Judo as well as a black belt in Kendo/Kenjitsu.

Van Damme dropped out of high school and enrolled in ballet that is where he got his flexibility, he is just a 1st degree black belt in karate, don't believe me?.. Look at the picture below, only 1 stripe (dan). He doesn't have the experience Seagal has had.

Hey Dragon,you know where I stand with van damme as we had some laughs at his expense previous.But you know his movies are far more martial art orientated than SS.Its as if all his boy hood dreams have come true and hes making movies of the sort that he always dreamed of doing. His actual status as karate ka only lends some suitable credibility to any of his movies. Whether its blood sport or quest, timecop or inferno his style can go from highly traditional to pub brawling style. Jean claude is a movie star in the sense of the word.I may be wrong but I believe he has even had more influential co stars along side him in films that lend even more actual credibility to a movie(probably cos he is only 1st dan). Bolo Yeung in several and the Ping guy from double team.He might not be as good as Seagal but what he does bring to the screen and his immediate visions insure he is immersed in a fantasy world not only to satisfy fans but also himself. Seagal was straight up in the very beginning as far as his training origins began and from here on in seemed as though he neednt dwell on the subject further.He has immersed himself heavily in the persona of a cloak and dagger government soldier.He has totally patented this stereo type uping the anti from many of the earlier types with perhaps the exception 007.He is the consumate vigilante and enforcer where van damme is the valourous and victorious underdog.

 

[Littledragon]

Why was he fighting bulls anyway? Seems strange that. The Van Damme and Seagal thing has come up so many times. No doubt Seagal is superior by a mile in ability and achievements,but Damme comes across well on screen too.

To test his "empty hands"/Karate. He fought bears and vicious attack dogs as well. Eventually he stopped fighting due to animal rights activists and as he proved he had accomplished the highest mastery of Karate.

 

[Littledragon]

Hey Dragon,you know where I stand with van damme as we had some laughs at his expense previous.But you know his movies are far more martial art orientated than SS.Its as if all his boy hood dreams have come true and hes making movies of the sort that he always dreamed of doing. His actual status as karate ka only lends some suitable credibility to any of his movies. Whether its blood sport or quest, timecop or inferno his style can go from highly traditional to pub brawling style. Jean claude is a movie star in the sense of the word.I may be wrong but I believe he has even had more influential co stars along side him in films that lend even more actual credibility to a movie(probably cos he is only 1st dan). Bolo Yeung in several and the Ping guy from double team.He might not be as good as Seagal but what he does bring to the screen and his immediate visions insure he is immersed in a fantasy world not only to satisfy fans but also himself. Seagal was straight up in the very beginning as far as his training origins began and from here on in seemed as though he neednt dwell on the subject further.He has immersed himself heavily in the persona of a cloak and dagger government soldier.He has totally patented this stereo type uping the anti from many of the earlier types with perhaps the exception 007.He is the consumate vigilante and enforcer where van damme is the valourous and victorious underdog.

Yes I agree with you Jace, Van Damme has made some good movies and I am a fan of his. He is one of the very few MARTIAL ART action stars to have impacted and popularized Martial Arts in America, and for that I will admire him.

But as a Martial Artist I believe he sould have accomplished much more if his heart is so much into the Martial Arts.

 

[MJ fan]

That would be interesting to see but i would like him to do a film with jackie chan more!

 

[Purplelotus1]

Let me just say this Van Damme can play anything he wants in my opinion , anything.

 

[Littledragon]

That would be interesting to see but i would like him to do a film with jackie chan more!

Ye me too, but Van Damme with Jackie is no comparison, as a martial artist and action star Jackie surpasses Van Damme.

I would love to see Seagal and Jackie do a film together since they are both friends and fans of eachother.

 

[JackCole]

Van Dammes movies are one dimentional. If you have ever noticed he uses his
right foot more than anything else. I think that is kina of boring. I do have 22
movies of Van Dammes but by far Seagal is more than one dimentional.

 

[Littledragon]

Van Dammes movies are one dimentional. If you have ever noticed he uses his
right foot more than anything else. I think that is kina of boring. I do have 22
movies of Van Dammes but by far Seagal is more than one dimentional.

LOL that is so true!! LOL

Seagal is a multi-dimensional Martial Artist which he incorporates some kicks, grappling, joint-locks, strikes/punches, chokes, etc..

 

[MJ fan]

Van damme may have had some great films but if you think about it most ppl could be an action star like him. The only things he does in his films are side kicks and a jumping spinning kicks mostly. Oh and the splits. And hes not a very good actor! Anyone capable of those things could become star if in the right place or had connections! So really what im saying is van damme is nothing special!!