Animals

[Jampa]

Hi All!

I have read that Mr. Seagal has some very strong feelings WRT the way Taiwan is treating its dogs, Thailand training its working elephants, and that he does have quite a few animals... Dogs and cats, horses... that's the Dogs "section" <G> that particularly interests me.
Anybody got any info on that? How many, what breed, where he got them from...? Pure-bred(s) from a respectable breeder, stray(s) from the shelter...?
Thanks in advance, and have a bright day!

Jampa

 

[ORANGATUANG]

I like dogs i had an pure bred "Husky" i lost her about 7 years ago and when you have to see your pet die (some b*****d) poisioned her with some meat when i was out one day..came home and she was dieing the look in her eyes killed me inside i sat there with her head on my lap while i was waiting for the vet to come but she died just as he got there..her name was "cassie" i still miss her i buried her in my back yard in her favourite spot....so i will never have an dog again she was only 6 ..but i do love all animals i have an cat her name is "Xena"...she is what is keeping me going on my bad days she knows when iam not well or down in the dumps, animals pick up on our emotions..i dont care what any one says...

 

[Jampa]

Why should you care what people say when you know you are right...? I love all animals, but dogs are my favorites. At this time, two share my home; one is my Velcro-Girl, whom I waited for years, she's the gentles dog you can dream of - 33 inches at the shoulder and approx 140 lbs, but she's my baby <VBG> - and the other one is a rescued newcomer, 14 years old English Cocker, so tiny she can walk under her new Friend without touching her. I have two cats too, and everybody lives in perfect Harmony. What they bring into our lives is quite hard to explain, and I wish we could understand them as well as they understand us. They are one of the "reasons" I felt so "in phase" with Buddhism, that does not consider animals as "inferior" beings we can dispose of, but as living beings whose lives actually matter... When I first visited a Tibetan "study center" we have around here, after an "interview" with a Geshe we followed a Monk to the refectory in a different building. At a point he stopped, and told us to proceed to the other house - I saw him pick up something, make a few steps and put it in the grass. It was an earthworm. My Daughter asked him what he did, he said "Someone might have not seen it and stepped on it". I wish the world felt as much concern for the Tibetan people as this Monk for an earthworm...
We cannot be good human beings as long as we consider animals as "things" that we can use and abuse. One cannot pretend to be compassionate and don't give a damn about the life and death of defenceless beings - whether they walk on two or four feet... One cannot go into raptures about the neighbour's guide dog down the road and pretend to ignore that the one neighbour up the road keeps his dog chained all year long, feeds him/her crap and occasionally beats him/her... We need to make sense. A life is a life... all creatures have feelings, can feel pain, stress, fear... As long as we don't have respect for life in any form, we don't respect ourselves.
Love your cat as much as you can... it can never be too much.
...and let those who don't know think whatever they wish... ;0)
Off my soapbox... <BG>
Wellness to you and all you Love.
Jampa

 

[Amos Stevens]

Well in specific about his dog Chaos I found this web site :

http://user.mc.net/~frabo/imports.htm

 

[ORANGATUANG]

Why should you care what people say when you know you are right...? I love all animals, but dogs are my favorites. At this time, two share my home; one is my Velcro-Girl, whom I waited for years, she's the gentles dog you can dream of - 33 inches at the shoulder and approx 140 lbs, but she's my baby <VBG> - and the other one is a rescued newcomer, 14 years old English Cocker, so tiny she can walk under her new Friend without touching her. I have two cats too, and everybody lives in perfect Harmony. What they bring into our lives is quite hard to explain, and I wish we could understand them as well as they understand us. They are one of the "reasons" I felt so "in phase" with Buddhism, that does not consider animals as "inferior" beings we can dispose of, but as living beings whose lives actually matter... When I first visited a Tibetan "study center" we have around here, after an "interview" with a Geshe we followed a Monk to the refectory in a different building. At a point he stopped, and told us to proceed to the other house - I saw him pick up something, make a few steps and put it in the grass. It was an earthworm. My Daughter asked him what he did, he said "Someone might have not seen it and stepped on it". I wish the world felt as much concern for the Tibetan people as this Monk for an earthworm...
We cannot be good human beings as long as we consider animals as "things" that we can use and abuse. One cannot pretend to be compassionate and don't give a damn about the life and death of defenceless beings - whether they walk on two or four feet... One cannot go into raptures about the neighbour's guide dog down the road and pretend to ignore that the one neighbour up the road keeps his dog chained all year long, feeds him/her crap and occasionally beats him/her... We need to make sense. A life is a life... all creatures have feelings, can feel pain, stress, fear... As long as we don't have respect for life in any form, we don't respect ourselves.
Love your cat as much as you can... it can never be too much.
...and let those who don't know think whatever they wish... ;0)
Off my soapbox... <BG>
Wellness to you and all you Love.
Jampa

You and i are so alike Jampa..If people dont like what i have to say when i know iam right i dont give an stuff..i speak my mind and thats it..dont worry i havent got any kids and my cat gets spoiled rotten she is so loveable..i had an go at my next door neighbour the other day he caught his puppies tail in the door and then after it cried out he kicked it so i rang the animal welfare and they came and took it away and it has an new home already with one of the welfare people...the scum bag just got an fine..he is to scared to talk to me i wonder why?..the irish git...

 

[pantera]

I love animals too. For the moment, at my parent's we have 2 dogs, 3 cats. But at a moment, we had a lot more animals: 2 dogs, 2 cats, 2 furets, a lot of desert rats, a rabbit, 2 ducks (in the garden), a frog, and hamsters. It was too much but we couldn't help having animals. As soon as we were seing poor animals we were sad and we were taking them back home to finish their lifes in dignity.

 

[Jampa]

Amos... : Thank you! That's one, probably watching over the Family... Paparazzi's don't do such a "great" job, after all <G>... I am surprised that there is not more info about his "private life"... Good for him, though! But still <G>, I wouldn't mind knowing a little bit more <LOL>.

Pantera... In my home it is some kind of cyclic thing... at a time we had 7 cats, 3 dogs, 2 snakes and loads of fishes... and the only reason why we had not more is that they did not pop up <G>... we'd have "homed" anything that was in need. Then I told God it was getting a bit "too much" for my finances and that if He cared at all for my sanity <G>, and wanted me to take care of more animals, He'd have to get me a bigger home and more money... He must have heard, because for 10 years after that no new animal showed up, and as time passed by the house started "emptying"... 2 years ago we only had our 2 cats... then my Heart-Hound arrived... and one year later - a month ago - a second dog came up asking for a loving place where she could spend whatever time her life is still meant to last... Since the new place is smaller than the previous one, if another "needy" animal shows up I'll be expecting to win the lottery anytime! <VBG>

Orangatuang... I think you are right: you and I are quite alike...
I'd have called the animal welfare too, that's for sure. You did soooo well.... if everybody could feel just as concerned, the world would be a better place because no one would feel they can freely ill-treat a living creature. Too many people don't care, and too many people who do care don't want to get "involved"... as if "involvement" was a bad word....... Have you heard about the guy who wanted to shoot "his" 3 months old Pups because, he said, he could not find them new homes...? he was holding two Pups at a time, and while he tried to shoot one (he had already killed 3) in the head the one he was holding under the other arm moved a paw and pulled the trigger... shooting the guy in the wrist... it ended up that the guy is being sued, for animal cruelty, and the surviving Pups have of course been taken away from him and will be re-homed... I was so craked up reading that that I almost peed in my pants, and my Daughter was so happy about the happy-end she ran to her room to thank her Little Angels... The article was titled "Nice shootin', Rex!" Now someone tell me God was not watching over these Pups... <VBG> Your neighbour should consider himself lucky, after all...

You All Be Well....

Jampa

 

[pantera]

Amos... : Thank you! That's one, probably watching over the Family... Paparazzi's don't do such a "great" job, after all <G>... I am surprised that there is not more info about his "private life"... Good for him, though! But still <G>, I wouldn't mind knowing a little bit more <LOL>.

Pantera... In my home it is some kind of cyclic thing... at a time we had 7 cats, 3 dogs, 2 snakes and loads of fishes... and the only reason why we had not more is that they did not pop up <G>... we'd have "homed" anything that was in need. Then I told God it was getting a bit "too much" for my finances and that if He cared at all for my sanity <G>, and wanted me to take care of more animals, He'd have to get me a bigger home and more money... He must have heard, because for 10 years after that no new animal showed up, and as time passed by the house started "emptying"... 2 years ago we only had our 2 cats... then my Heart-Hound arrived... and one year later - a month ago - a second dog came up asking for a loving place where she could spend whatever time her life is still meant to last... Since the new place is smaller than the previous one, if another "needy" animal shows up I'll be expecting to win the lottery anytime! <VBG>

Orangatuang... I think you are right: you and I are quite alike...
I'd have called the animal welfare too, that's for sure. You did soooo well.... if everybody could feel just as concerned, the world would be a better place because no one would feel they can freely ill-treat a living creature. Too many people don't care, and too many people who do care don't want to get "involved"... as if "involvement" was a bad word....... Have you heard about the guy who wanted to shoot "his" 3 months old Pups because, he said, he could not find them new homes...? he was holding two Pups at a time, and while he tried to shoot one (he had already killed 3) in the head the one he was holding under the other arm moved a paw and pulled the trigger... shooting the guy in the wrist... it ended up that the guy is being sued, for animal cruelty, and the surviving Pups have of course been taken away from him and will be re-homed... I was so craked up reading that that I almost peed in my pants, and my Daughter was so happy about the happy-end she ran to her room to thank her Little Angels... The article was titled "Nice shootin', Rex!" Now someone tell me God was not watching over these Pups... <VBG> Your neighbour should consider himself lucky, after all...

You All Be Well....

Jampa

This story proove me that when ya harm someone (even an animal), ya'll pay it 100 times.
But for my part, something true is that I need a pet around me to feel less lonely. But i don't want to make my companion unhappy, so i'll wait to move up, to see how things go and afterwards i'll probably go to the animal welfare to bring one abandonned kitty. Cats can stay a little bit alone (not like dog) and they're more independant.
But i really need a pet around me. I think they're more faithful than men.

 

[ORANGATUANG]

Aint that the truth about animals are more faithful then MEN....At least they dont go out screwing behind your back, lie to you, i have an cat and i cant go far without her she is always near..

 

[KATHYPURDOM]

Heather I would of done the same thing if I saw a person be so crul to an animal. I have always had animals. Right now we have 4 chickens, a rat terrier dog, tree frogs, an iguna which I seem to be the only one that can handle him, and KOI. For those of you that don't know what KOI are, they are beautiful domesticated carp.

 

[pantera]

yes, when my mother brought back 2 ducks my father had to dig a pond, and as he likes fishes he bought some kois. They're still alive and we have now baby-fishes.

 

[KATHYPURDOM]

That's great pantera. Our Koi spawned this year and we were not ready for it. So far we can count 25 new ones. Now we just have to watch for that heron so that he doesn't come and make his home on top of our house again this fall.

 

[Jampa]

By the way...

This one has probably already been "aired" here, but just in case...
I found this interview on the PETA website quite interesting :

http://www.peta.org/feat/seagal/

Wellness to All...

Jampa

 

[pantera]

what a great article and very touching; I totally agree with him: animals are not just an object but they are our friends, our equal. We need them and they need us. We must live together in harmony. We mustn't feel superior. We must respect them for what they can give us (all the therapies which exist with horses, dolphin ...).
Thanx a lot Jampa

 

[KATHYPURDOM]

That was a great article Jampa. I enjoyed reading what Steven had to say. I knew that he was on PETA's views, but the ending of the interview was the best.
I would go out of my way to help an animal, just like I would for my family.

 

[Jampa]

Happy that you enjoyed it, Pantera and Kathy!
I was not going to post that link, thinking it had been done before - now I'm glad I did ))

It's the same interview, I think, although differently "shaped", that can be found here: http://www.caringconsumer.com/animaltimes/at-winter2001/seagal/seagal.html
There is also a copy (.pdf document...) of the Feb. 2003 letter he sent to Thailand's Prime Minister about the "training" of the baby elephants: http://www.helpthaielephants.com/Seagal_thailand.pdf
Although he does clearly not agree with everything PETA does, he supports some of their actions quite actively... wrote letters to Taiwan and India's "authorities" regarding the "fate" of dogs and cattle - the famous Indian leather.... :-((( and he also traveled to Taiwan (where he met the Prime Minister) on the subject of the stray dogs...

Gee, the more I know about this man, the more I love him...!
He can have any hair-cut/style he wants and wear whatever he fancies, I honestly don't give a d*mn...! He's gorgeous anyway <VBG>... and he's beautiful *inside* too, which is even better...

Wellness to All...

Jampa

 

[pantera]

jampa[/QUOTE]
Gee, the more I know about this man, the more I love him...!
He can have any hair-cut/style he wants and wear whatever he fancies, I honestly don't give a d*mn...! He's gorgeous anyway <VBG>... and he's beautiful *inside* too, which is even better...

Wellness to All...

Jampa[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you on this point
I read the letter of steven seagal (thanx for the link) and i've been choked by the descriptions of the torture . How can those people do that without any remorse or without feeling guilty. Shame on those people .

 

[Jampa]

Oh Dear... you don't want to get me started on that <G>...!

Most people have no idea how much what they eat, drink, wear, clean their house with or even brush their teeth with is loaded with animals suffering...

I know the controversy about/around PETA, and I sure don't support everything they do, but if you wanna know what's going on *in the world* - that includes the US, Europe, Australia... each continent actually... - (and make yourself sick for a while...) then go to their websites and click, click, click... that's how I became a vegetarian, and the only reason I still drink milk and eat eggs and cheese is because I get them from places where the cows and hens do live decent lives and are fed their "natural" feed. The only leather items I have were made by Natives and I still don't feel absolutely "comfy" about it, and I have banned "industrial" wool long ago... I don't buy anything that's "animal tested", which is not as difficult as one may think... I simply try my best not to "contribute" to inhumane animal "handling" of any sort, in any way.

Even my 9 y.o. Daughter has understood that wild animals don't "belong" in circuses, and the only zoos she wants to visit are the ones that only "keep" animals rescued from the wild and who for their own sake can't be freed to their natural biotope... we are lucky to have one of these zoos real close, and she always takes money from her piggy-bank to put inside the zoo's "donations box".

For sure she won't make the mistakes that *I* made for over 30 years.

Jampa

 

[pantera]

I'm vegetarian too for 7 years now for the same reasons. i still drink milk and eat cheese 'cause our body need it. I also eat eggs but only when they come from an animal which lives in the garden of a friend. In Belgium, more and more people have hens in their garden now. I decided to be vegetarian when I was 18 years old. At this age i was going to hardcore concerts which support a very famous animal fondation in Belgium GAYA and during the concert (where there were a lot of vegans, vegetarians and straight edges) they were showing videos of animal tortures such as hens in industries of eggs, cows which were killed very badly (it was horrible) and so on. So I decided to become vegetarian. And i feel good with that!
In Belgium, I can see than more and more people are becoming vegetarian for the same reason.

 

[Jampa]

Wonderful...!

Buddha said:
"When a Man has pity on all Living Creatures then only is he Noble"...

Your generation is conscious of many more "things" than mine, and it is harder to change the "mentalities" - and habits! - of people of my age and older... but it still happens.

Make sure you have Kids <BG> and teach them what you know... The idea has been "in the air" for quite a while, but it is your generation and the next that will really make the changes, I think.

Sooner or later we'll get there... but I sure hope I live long enough to see those changes in this life still.

Wellness to All...

Jampa