Boycott SEAGAL!!

marky96

Active Member
Some excellent points very well put accross Supertom.

The DTV market has had it's golden years and long gone are the days Seagal could star in 4 films a year with budgets of up to $20m. It's a tough market for him and the other DTV action stars especially when they for the most part look like they're trying and Seagal doesn't look like he's putting in much effort at all.

I think Seagal is at a crossroads now and it's time for him to make a decision about his future. We know he's got better in him but if he's not interested in showing it and wants to carry on with the poor quality DTV films he's been making then really I would rather be just stop altogether. The more be carries on like that the more he just becomes a joke, a parody of his former self. Over the years so many opportunities have been missed to turn things around and now I fear it's just too late. Like you point out even his recent DTV releases are nothing like his ones from 8 or 10 years ago. I mean something has to be up when we look at something like Belly of the Beast with fond nostalgia. Age is not on Seagal's side and within a few years even the likes of Stallone and Scwarzenegger, in great shape though they are will have stopped making action films. It's time for Seagal to decide whether he wants to finish his career with a bang or a whimper, with one more great film or more made for TV movies.
 

Mason

Well-Known Member
Some excellent points very well put accross Supertom.

The DTV market has had it's golden years and long gone are the days Seagal could star in 4 films a year with budgets of up to $20m. It's a tough market for him and the other DTV action stars especially when they for the most part look like they're trying and Seagal doesn't look like he's putting in much effort at all.

I think Seagal is at a crossroads now and it's time for him to make a decision about his future. We know he's got better in him but if he's not interested in showing it and wants to carry on with the poor quality DTV films he's been making then really I would rather be just stop altogether. The more be carries on like that the more he just becomes a joke, a parody of his former self. Over the years so many opportunities have been missed to turn things around and now I fear it's just too late. Like you point out even his recent DTV releases are nothing like his ones from 8 or 10 years ago. I mean something has to be up when we look at something like Belly of the Beast with fond nostalgia. Age is not on Seagal's side and within a few years even the likes of Stallone and Scwarzenegger, in great shape though they are will have stopped making action films. It's time for Seagal to decide whether he wants to finish his career with a bang or a whimper, with one more great film or more made for TV movies.

You're totally right buddy. And this Seagal Dmx movie would be a great idea, and a great way to spice up his movie career again or to go all out with a big bang.
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
Much as I'd love to see Seagal hit form again, and appreciate the sentiments of the terms of the boycott, it's not very realistic. Seagal is the only one who can make a difference. He doesn't seem to want to. He's seemed disinterested for years now. The thing is, look at his work. Seagal has a lot of control over his pictures. Now it's certainly true that largely, the producers will have the final word on everything. If they want to slice a budget in half if needs be or sacrifice the art and integrity of a film for financial reasons, they will. But Seagal has been a producer and/or writer on most of his features in the last 10 years. He's also been a key "creative" influence on TJ. Now to be honest I think TJ is completely and utterly mediocre.

Now anyone hoping for a theatrical comeback will be disappointed. Despite the Expendables, there's really no demand on the big screen for many of these stars any more. All together in the one film? Yes, because it has an angle, it's a gimmick. It's sellable. Seagal won't appear in Exp 3 though. His ego won't allow him. He won't play second fiddle to those other guys.

DTV doesn't have to mean terrible. The thing is, there's less demand for these films now than there was. That's part of the reason that Seagal doesn't make 2-3 DTV films a year any more. Generally now, the DTV studios can't afford to pay Seagal, Van Damme, whoever, 4-5 million to headline a film. What studios do now is bring together 2-3 name actors in a film together, and pay for two stars what they'd have paid for one 5 years ago. The idea being that you have two fan bases who'll buy the film or it just looks more appealing to discerning buyers/renters. Dolph's team with a whole host of stars in his DTV films recently. In part because he can still be in films with the same budgets (or no less) and because he's been far more interested in pushing himself as an actor, taking on more colourful, antagonist roles. On his own, as a leading man, the offers probably aren't great, and budgets would be lower than what he's used to. Same goes for Seagal, JC, all of them. A picture sold with their name alone won't have the production value it did 5 years ago (which even then wasn't great). The economic climate is a factor, as are tastes. People have had one too many awful films. That's especially why the interest in Seagal has waned. His films have been horrific and he's showed no effort. At least with Van Damme and Lundgren, you know, mostly, that they're trying.

Seagal has to want to change. He has to want to put the effort in. He seems to enjoy voltage pictures because of it's ease. He's working with the same people all the time who don't mind that he'll turn up for half a shoot and still be the "lead" of the picture. More and more DTV studios are basically selling movies as "star" vehicles, and then said lead will appear intermittently. I mean I loved Unisol 4. Really well made, really daring direction to take a franchise like that. What I didn't like was the cynical, dishonest marketing though. Every DVD cover sells it as a Van Damme and Lundgren starrer, but they're very brief supporting players in it. It's becoming common though. Even films where theres only one star, like Van Damme in 6 Bullets. He disappears for large chunks of the film. It was still a fairly decent DTV though. In actuality, Seagal's been doing this since the turn of the millenium on the whole. Very rarely in his DTV films do you see him throughout the whole movie. Often he disappears for 10 minutes before re-appearing. Then add on top the doubling and voice doubling too. You could say he pioneered the way DTV films are now being made and marketed.

He just doesn't have the desire. If he did, it be easier to just blame the producers if a film turns out shite. But when Seagal looks so bored, it falls on him. There's no crafting of a character, he doesn't deliver with the action or even record all his own dialogue often. He basically appearing for the money. There's no love there. People have finally gotten wise to it. One thing I always felt about this message board, even as recent as a couple of years ago, was despite how awful most of his films were, his fans were sticking rigidly to Seagal. So many defending him to the end. I see Oranguatang here, kind of in the corner by herself defending Seagal to the last, which I completely admire by the way. Good on her. Because where as the likes of Oranguatang would have been in the majority here a couple of years back, she's in the minority now. So please don't get at her, it's her right to defend Seagal. I for one thoroughly commend that loyalty. If only Seagal himself had the same pride in his work.
What Seagal needs to be worried about though, but probably won't be, is that fans like her are slipping away with every passing film.

Here is an interesting interview with director Jessie Johnson. He's done some very solid DTV work, including The Package with Austin and Lundgren. It's by no means a classic but it's a solid action flick and so much better than Max Conviction. But he gives great insight into working in these DTV films. It shows just how hard it is to work artistically when the people producing and financing the films are business men first and foremost.
http://moviemorlocks.com/2013/03/26/dtv-action-item-an-interview-with-director-jesse-v-johnson/

Sadly I don't see anything changes. Nothing we do on the net will force his hand. But it's down to Seagal. He does it for the money and whilst people are still willing to pay him, so be it. It's probably what funds his music and his lifestyle. I've no doubts that if Seagal concentrated purely on his music he'd be losing money.


for me MC is a better film than the package

I do find it funny when people slate Seagal for not having much screen time in MC yet think its fine for dolph to have about 20 minutes in his film

If Seagal had starred in The Package then he and the film would have been slated by people on here.For me MC was one of his best films in the last 10 years and was as good as films by Van Damme,Dolph,Austin etc who have budgets that are similiar to Seagal

Im no Seagal defender and his output between 2003-2007 was mostly all crap(apart from BOTB),but his last few films have been decent STV films with alot of action...yes its not has good has OFJ,MFD,ATL,US etc but he will never make films that good again has he will never be given 25M budgets and 3 months to shoot and I accepted that a long time ago.As for the petition about boycotting Seagal it wont work because Seagal has no power in Hollywood anymore and the fact he can handpicked a script/director/budget etc is naive.
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
That's possibly one point. I mean direct downloads are increasing in popularity, whilst DVD's sales are dwindling. It's possibly that they just wanted to reach a wider audience worldwide, not be too violent. Again, it's down to money.
But given the film was shot in 17 days, I thought it was very well made. Johnson is the sort of director SS needs to be working with.
That said, perhaps Seagal works with Waxman because it's easier. Seagal probably likes to run a set. He probably doesn't want to be put in his place or work with people who will question him if he wants to change his dialogue or take control of his fight scenes etc. Producers sometimes think like that when hiring directors. They don't want anyone who'll question their authority. Shoot on time, within budget, keep the star happy. Who knows?
But Johnson is very knowledgeable and considered in what he does, as well as being decent at working under the strict conditions of some films. I'm sure Waxman, given some more freedom might do something considerably better, but he's offered very little in the SS films he's done.
In fairness Seagal isn't the only actor known for putting in little effort. There are others known for just staying in their trailer and only coming out for their master shots and letting the double do the rest. Or being on the shoot for the bare minimum they can get away with. Wesley Snipes is known for that in some of his films, either when he takes a dislike to the director or the film itself (Blade 3) or some when he's just there for the money (most of his DTV work). He'll come for 2 weeks out of a 3 week shoot say, and do masters, little or none of the coverage, and often won't do the ADR.
It's not always entirely these guys. Sometimes the producers will work a deal in which the actor is there for as little time as needed, and then they don't have to pay as much as if they're there the for the entire shoot. Seagal puts little effort in, but in part it may be a symptom of having worked on these movies for too long. There's a big difference even from Into The Sun and Belly Of The Beast, to what he's been doing in the last couple of years when you think of how SS comes across on screen. The enthusiasm has completely gone, but if the producers aren't giving him any reason to be, or are seemingly happy for him to carry on as he is, then nothing will change. The sad fact is, Seagal can turn up, shoot his close ups and probably all told amount to about 15 minutes of actual Seagal screen-time as lead in a 90 minute picture and the producers firmly believe it's a sellable picture.
Seagy isn't alone. Over the last few years JCVD, Dolph, for example have had periods of being really fed up with the standard of their movies. The acted with more professionalism granted, but they've been burned. The difference though, is they made a concerted effort to alter things. They took good opportunities that Sly gave them, and made interesting decisions.
But still, in some respects I understand why Seagal has got to this point. I don't condone his behaviour but that he no longer seems at all interested in his film career is not much of a surprise.
If Seagal really wanted he could get Under Siege 3 off the ground. Someone, somewhere would make it. DTV it would sell twice as many copies as just a standard Seagal picture, because it's part of a known, more established franchise. Or Prince Of Pistols. That had an interesting concept but never came off the ground.
That said, when it comes down to it, there's one overriding factor against all these career turnaround arguments. Seagal is in his 60's now. Granted Sly and Arnie both came back in their 60's, but they always had more star power, more acting ability and have stayed in good shape (particularly Sly) but the interest in them is waning. Aside from any of their franchise stuff, they're not gonna do big business on the big screen. The Expendables will run out of steam after the third film. It won't sustain interest. The novelty of these guys, doing these things at their age is wearing off. I hate saying it, but in 2-3 years there'll be little interest left in these guys except for fans nostalgia.

I was 50/50 with Waxman until i heard the directors commentry of MC and im a bit more impressed with him now and he seems to be a very good director with a low budget until some directors
 

supertom

Disgruntled fan!
I was 50/50 with Waxman until i heard the directors commentry of MC and im a bit more impressed with him now and he seems to be a very good director with a low budget until some directors
Which edition do you have? I'd be really curious to hear the commentary on this. B movies often have very insightful commentaries. You really get a sense of how hard it is to work on them.
 

supertom

Disgruntled fan!
for me MC is a better film than the package

I do find it funny when people slate Seagal for not having much screen time in MC yet think its fine for dolph to have about 20 minutes in his film

If Seagal had starred in The Package then he and the film would have been slated by people on here.For me MC was one of his best films in the last 10 years and was as good as films by Van Damme,Dolph,Austin etc who have budgets that are similiar to Seagal

Im no Seagal defender and his output between 2003-2007 was mostly all crap(apart from BOTB),but his last few films have been decent STV films with alot of action...yes its not has good has OFJ,MFD,ATL,US etc but he will never make films that good again has he will never be given 25M budgets and 3 months to shoot and I accepted that a long time ago.As for the petition about boycotting Seagal it wont work because Seagal has no power in Hollywood anymore and the fact he can handpicked a script/director/budget etc is naive.

I'm not sure about the Package getting slated on here. Possibly in as much as Seagal would have suited either role.
The point is though, Seagal is supposed to be the lead in the film. He's barely in it. Austin is there through the whole of the Package. Lundgren is the villain so not expected to have much more screen time than he did. In addition the reviews he got for his role were almost entirely positive.

It isn't great but I just think it delivers more action and a clearer plot. Max Conviction in all honesty bored me as much as anything Seagal has done in recent years. I prefered stuff like Keeper or Dangerous Man to be honest. But we'll agree to disagree. ;)
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure about the Package getting slated on here. Possibly in as much as Seagal would have suited either role.
The point is though, Seagal is supposed to be the lead in the film. He's barely in it. Austin is there through the whole of the Package. Lundgren is the villain so not expected to have much more screen time than he did. In addition the reviews he got for his role were almost entirely positive.

It isn't great but I just think it delivers more action and a clearer plot. Max Conviction in all honesty bored me as much as anything Seagal has done in recent years. I prefered stuff like Keeper or Dangerous Man to be honest. But we'll agree to disagree. ;)

i was not bored with MC has much has films like TF,OOR etc which i struggled to get to the end of the film...
MC is a easy to follow all out action film and the kind of fil he should have been making since HPD.Like I said the stuff from 2003 was awful(I still have not seen submerged,BD,FOF fully) and i am just glad he is making decent action films.

I stand by what i said above about Seagals future(re the petition)and I dont see any way he will be making big budget films whether he loses weight or not as he just does not have the power anymore to compand budgets or great directors


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marky96

Active Member
You're totally right buddy. And this Seagal Dmx movie would be a great idea, and a great way to spice up his movie career again or to go all out with a big bang.

I'm all for Seagal teaming up with someone like DMX again as it would generate some interest from both sets of fans. However I'm also cautious because on previous occasions when Seagal has reteamed with a previous co-star it's never been as good as the first time. DMX's music and film career has also stalled over the past year, he definitely isn't the star he was back in 2001.

for me MC is a better film than the package

I do find it funny when people slate Seagal for not having much screen time in MC yet think its fine for dolph to have about 20 minutes in his film

If Seagal had starred in The Package then he and the film would have been slated by people on here.For me MC was one of his best films in the last 10 years and was as good as films by Van Damme,Dolph,Austin etc who have budgets that are similiar to Seagal

Im no Seagal defender and his output between 2003-2007 was mostly all crap(apart from BOTB),but his last few films have been decent STV films with alot of action...yes its not has good has OFJ,MFD,ATL,US etc but he will never make films that good again has he will never be given 25M budgets and 3 months to shoot and I accepted that a long time ago.As for the petition about boycotting Seagal it wont work because Seagal has no power in Hollywood anymore and the fact he can handpicked a script/director/budget etc is naive.

I haven't seen Maximum Conviction and that's why I haven't made any comment on it. I haven't any interest in seeing another low budget Seagal film directed by Keoni Waxman, although I would have liked to have seen Steve Austin as I've enjoyed some of his recent films. Seagal has worn my patience out with so many shoddy films over the past few years that even though I'm a fan I no longer automatically buy all his new releases. I prefer to look at what other fans have said and who is making the film before I make a decision. For me there was nothing new on offer with Maximum Conviction and that's what I want from Seagal now, something different from the majority of his work over the last 10 years, and looking around I don't think I'm the only one. When the majority of people on a Seagal fan site are actively dissatisfied with how his career is and want him to do better then you know something is really up. He needs to act now before it's too late, already his fan base is shrinking and his ability to get decent budgets, directors and co-stars is diminished. The future doesn't look bright for him because let's not forget Voltage will only keep him around while he is making money for them, after they wash their hands of him who knows what he will do?
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
He needs to act now before it's too late, already his fan base is shrinking and his ability to get decent budgets, directors and co-stars is diminished

if thats true then boycotting isnt going to do anything is it.

like i said in the post above he stopped being able to pick and choose his directors,ect in about 2003

for me all i want from a seagal picture is fights,action and a simple story

what i dont want is him to try something different as all you end up with is AF,Submerged,OOR,ATD

FOE sounds decent and certainly since he has been with voltage his films have picked up but its just a shame he wasted 5-6 years after HPD with terrible producers/directors which killed his career
 

marky96

Active Member
He needs to act now before it's too late, already his fan base is shrinking and his ability to get decent budgets, directors and co-stars is diminished

if thats true then boycotting isnt going to do anything is it.

like i said in the post above he stopped being able to pick and choose his directors,ect in about 2003

for me all i want from a seagal picture is fights,action and a simple story

what i dont want is him to try something different as all you end up with is AF,Submerged,OOR,ATD

FOE sounds decent and certainly since he has been with voltage his films have picked up but its just a shame he wasted 5-6 years after HPD with terrible producers/directors which killed his career

Part of the reason that Seagal can't get decent budgets or directors is because he doesn't look like he's serious about making a good film. Looking way out of shape, looking bored in his films and letting doubles do all the work and getting a producer credit on some of the poor DTV films he's been in has hurt his chances now of making a comeback. People think that he's willing to accept that and doesn't want to try for anything better. A boycott of Seagal may or may not work but hopefully the fact that its out there will help him realise he needs to be actively trying to sort out his career.

The damage was done in the years after Half Past Dead when the DTV market was at its peak and Seagal decided to cash in on that. He could have made one decent film a year back then with a $20m or more budget and a decent director and co-stars. Something along the same lines as Into the Sun as a starting point, except a film with that sort of quality every year, which many of us would have been happy with. Instead Seagal chose to make as many films as he could with whoever he could in those years with little to no regard for the finished product. Now, when the DTV market is a lot harder one to be working in, and the general financial climate is a lot harder, there are fewer opportunities for Seagal to make something better.

When I say I want Seagal to give me something different I don't mean I want something crazy like how the films you mentioned turn out. What I mean is I want something better than just another low budget DTV with stunt doubles, dubbing and a boring yet some how confusing storyline about an ex special forces killing machine. Like you I want a simple storyline, good fights and plenty of action.
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
Like you I want a simple storyline, good fights and plenty of action.

then you IMO will like MC has it has all those things

is it has good has his output pre 2001...no chance but compared to other STV films(and i watch a fair few) its has good has any other I saw in 2012

I think Seagals fans are to hard on his films TBH and compare this site with Van Dammes and his fans are generally positive(yet he has made some terrible films recently)

I think Van Damme fans accept him for what he is...ie a limited actor who makes low budget action films

I think Seagal fans are obsessed with the past when its obvious them days are gone and seeing another OFJ will never happen
 

Administrator

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For me the production of Maximum Conviction was pretty good and a step up from the majority of his DTV releases. At least in Maximum Conviction it is 100% his own voice with no dubbing and the stunt doubles were not too obvious.

The only downfall in my opinion was the story, it wasn't very interesting.
 

Mark C. Tedrow

New Member
Personaly I suggest that we not gonna buy any of Seagal's upcoming movies untill he meets our demands. He has been milking us enough for our hard earned money for the last 10 - 12 years with his crappy movies, and its time we take action and let him know we NOT gonna stand for it any longer!!

I hope as many of you as possible will join in so we can get the good Old School SEAGAL back in action instead of having to settle with this Overweight Dried up Parody of an *Once A Great* action hero.

A facebook page has been created (for those who use FB) to get the online campaign started. We also have the support of a FB Steven Seagal page, and other things is in works.

Link - Boycott Steven Seagal:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Steven-Seagal/429588203800447

We got fight for what we want, we have to let our voice's be heard!!
I have noticed that the later movies have been getting hokier. I watched Above the Law and Hard to Kill the other night. They were classics. He has a new series called "True Justice" that is on the "Reelz" channel and not available on my Comcast. Why didn't he just put it on a regular channel? Now I will never see it.
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
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I have noticed that the later movies have been getting hokier. I watched Above the Law and Hard to Kill the other night. They were classics. He has a new series called "True Justice" that is on the "Reelz" channel and not available on my Comcast. Why didn't he just put it on a regular channel? Now I will never see it.

The TJ series are available on dvd so you don't have to miss them.

Peace
 

Mark C. Tedrow

New Member
Some excellent points very well put accross Supertom.

The DTV market has had it's golden years and long gone are the days Seagal could star in 4 films a year with budgets of up to $20m. It's a tough market for him and the other DTV action stars especially when they for the most part look like they're trying and Seagal doesn't look like he's putting in much effort at all.

I think Seagal is at a crossroads now and it's time for him to make a decision about his future. We know he's got better in him but if he's not interested in showing it and wants to carry on with the poor quality DTV films he's been making then really I would rather be just stop altogether. The more be carries on like that the more he just becomes a joke, a parody of his former self. Over the years so many opportunities have been missed to turn things around and now I fear it's just too late. Like you point out even his recent DTV releases are nothing like his ones from 8 or 10 years ago. I mean something has to be up when we look at something like Belly of the Beast with fond nostalgia. Age is not on Seagal's side and within a few years even the likes of Stallone and Scwarzenegger, in great shape though they are will have stopped making action films. It's time for Seagal to decide whether he wants to finish his career with a bang or a whimper, with one more great film or more made for TV movies.

This is the Seagal I remember.....
 

Mark C. Tedrow

New Member
Personaly I suggest that we not gonna buy any of Seagal's upcoming movies untill he meets our demands. He has been milking us enough for our hard earned money for the last 10 - 12 years with his crappy movies, and its time we take action and let him know we NOT gonna stand for it any longer!!

I hope as many of you as possible will join in so we can get the good Old School SEAGAL back in action instead of having to settle with this Overweight Dried up Parody of an *Once A Great* action hero.

A facebook page has been created (for those who use FB) to get the online campaign started. We also have the support of a FB Steven Seagal page, and other things is in works.

Link - Boycott Steven Seagal:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Steven-Seagal/429588203800447

We got fight for what we want, we have to let our voice's be heard!!

I agree. It's time to go back to "R" rated movies instead of "PG" and made for tv movies. This is the Seagal I remember.....
 

Mark C. Tedrow

New Member
In terms of his weight-issues he can deffenetly loose more than he has lost now. I too do not expecting him to look like he did when he was in his younger day, as long as he just took his belly off and the chubby face-weight.

In terms off stunt doubles, I too think they are required for high risk scenes, no doubt. But if high-risk scenes mean stretching his leg, throw a punch or (as you say) walking down the street, then he might as well retire. If he cant handle those few simple demands in the making of a movie, he is not fit to be an actor anymore.

Personaly I'm not gonna take this anymore, I'll rather save my money for good movies than his crappy stuff.

I totally agree. It's time to go back to the "R" rated movies and get away from "pg".
If I want to watch reality tv, I'll watch MTV, which also sucks.
 

marky96

Active Member
Like you I want a simple storyline, good fights and plenty of action.

then you IMO will like MC has it has all those things

is it has good has his output pre 2001...no chance but compared to other STV films(and i watch a fair few) its has good has any other I saw in 2012

I think Seagals fans are to hard on his films TBH and compare this site with Van Dammes and his fans are generally positive(yet he has made some terrible films recently)

I think Van Damme fans accept him for what he is...ie a limited actor who makes low budget action films

I think Seagal fans are obsessed with the past when its obvious them days are gone and seeing another OFJ will never happen

I think after over a decade of second rate DTV films, Seagal's fans do have some justification in being hard on his films. Granted Van Damme has made his fair share of terrible films too but at least for the most part he looks like be is trying. He at least looks like an action star and that's even after having a suspected heart attack while shooting Assassination Games, a project that Seagal was originally going to star in. Van Damme has also managed to make a comeback with the likes of JCVD, Expendables 2, the Universal Soldier sequels and his worldwide advertising campaign with Coors Beer ('there's cold, and there's Damme cold'). Seagal has never managed to make that comeback. Sure some of his DTV films have been decent and he had Machete but it's never consistent.

I think fans accept Seagal for who he is now, basically a DTV action star. We all know the chances of him ever appearing in a theatrical release again are slim to none. However that doesn't mean we are stuck in the past. And it doesn't mean we should accept rubbish DTV films from him. Not when we know that solid action films can and are being made with the same sort of budgets that Seagal gets for his films.

Perhaps you could point me in the direction of some good Van Damme fan sites?

The reason Van Damme fans accepts him for what he is, is (among other things) because he atleast makes an effort to stay in shape which is much more than I can say for Seagal.
If Seagal had stayed in good shape than he would have been much more interesting to look at onscreen even in the scenes where he isn't fighting. Unfortunately that's not the case anymore.

Exactly right buddy, Seagal doesn't even look like he's trying now, most of the time in his recent films he looks bored and like he can't be bothered.

I have noticed that the later movies have been getting hokier. I watched Above the Law and Hard to Kill the other night. They were classics. He has a new series called "True Justice" that is on the "Reelz" channel and not available on my Comcast. Why didn't he just put it on a regular channel? Now I will never see it.

You're right, his TV series was such a missed opportunity. Instead of being widely available on one of the major channels it was only shown on a specialist one. Although given the quality of it, that's hardly surprising and perhaps for the best.

I totally agree. It's time to go back to the "R" rated movies and get away from "pg".
If I want to watch reality tv, I'll watch MTV, which also sucks.

I've had enough of watered down Seagal too, with his films being shot so they are safe for TV. It's just another sad stage in his career. Even in some of his weaker films I used to take a certain pleasure in Seagal bullying the bad guys and giving them vicious, bloody and bone breaking beatings, something which has been missing more recently.
 

ORANGATUANG

Wildfire
I dont think we can compare Steven Seagal to any other actor because they are there own indivual ...they all good at what they do... sure he aint perfect no one is BUT it would be nice to think that he will deliver the best he can ....thats all iam saying
 
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