I believe Bush has Won...

[Flashgalaxy]

It wasn't even as close as four years ago

 

[Amos Stevens]

Bush wins Race as Kerry concedes

Bush Wins Race As Kerry Concedes

38 minutes ago


By CALVIN WOODWARD and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) won a second term from a divided and anxious nation, his promise of steady, strong wartime leadership trumping John Kerry (news - web sites)'s fresh-start approach to Iraq (news - web sites) and joblessness. After a long, tense night of vote counting, the Democrat called Bush Wednesday to concede Ohio and the presidency, The Associated Press learned.



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Kerry ended his quest, concluding one of the most expensive and bitterly contested races on record, with a call to the president shortly after 11 a.m. EST, according to two officials familiar with the conversation.


The victory gave Bush four more years to pursue the war on terror and a conservative, tax-cutting agenda — and probably the opportunity to name one or more justices to an aging Supreme Court.


He also will preside over expanded Republican majorities in Congress.


"Congratulations, Mr. President," Kerry said in the conversation described by sources as lasting less than five minutes. One of the sources was Republican, the other a Democrat.


The Democratic source said Bush called Kerry a worthy, tough and honorable opponent. Kerry told Bush the country was too divided, the source said, and Bush agreed. "We really have to do something about it," Kerry said according to the Democratic official.


Kerry placed his call after weighing unattractive options overnight. With Bush holding fast to a six-figure lead in make-or-break Ohio, Kerry could give up or trigger a struggle that would have stirred memories of the bitter recount in Florida that propelled Bush to the White House in 2000.



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[tora]

I believe no president wins this war.The war within each of us we have to win first.

 

[TDWoj]

It wasn't even as close as four years ago

Oh, goodie.

Four more years of the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer. Four more years of backstepping in scientific research. Four more years of environmental rapine. Four more years of escalating terrorism and escalation in nuclear arms. Four more years of unnecessary war.

I wonder what country Bush is going to invade in this term? He's running out of countries to piss off.

Thank goodness he won't be able to run again after 2008, though.

-TD, puzzled at how this guy managed to convince Americans he was the right man for the job when he doesn't have the brains God gave a moose

 

[Jules]

I see the media propaganda is working.

 

[kickingbird]

Bush did mention that he'd like to "bring democrazy to the citizens of Cuba". Luv yer children while you can, they'll soon be needed.
For some interesting info, check out the latest National Geographic magazine on how many terrorists organizations and where they are (all over the globe).
On a serious side, I once heard a very straight-forward prediction by a future seeing person say that the wars will grow and lengthen, and that all the young men will perish - there will be 1 man to 10 women. Not a very bright future coming. It isn't Bush's "fault" but he IS the president of the most powerful nation in the world (albeit not the most popular) and he could muster the power to learn to exist with compassion and peace. If he truly values his belief in God, hopefully he will follow the lessons from Jesus. After all, Jesus was/is a peace loving being.

 

[TDWoj]

I see the media propaganda is working.

What propoganda? I'm just going by his record of so-called "achievements".

He's put the kibosh on stem-cell research based on his religious principles (which, by the way, should have no bearing at all on his politcal leadership, but, unfortunately, do), and has withdrawn funding from exploration and research in space (among other things).

He's opened up previously protected areas of wilderness to mining and oil interests, thus destroying the environment. He's also against the Kyoto accord to reduce emissions by at least 10% within 10 years.

As a matter of economic fact, tax cuts benefit only rich, resulting in the tax burden being borne by those of middle-to-low income; his tax cuts will result in a massive deficit within the next two years (this is a fact, one which even American economists are aware of and antsy about), resulting in cuts to funding of programmes and departments necessary to preserve what you folks like to call the "American way of life".

He invaded a country for reasons which are still a mystery to rational thinkers the world around - since those reasons seemed to change on a daily basis (when one reason didn't pan out - like finding weapons of mass destruction - his spin doctors came up with another reason).

And ever since he invaded Iraq, terrorist activity has been on the rise in a country where, while things were uncomfortable under Hussein for the most part, it didn't have any terrorist activity, either. Foreign aid workers are now being beheaded on a weekly basis in Iraq, and car bombs kill dozens of American soldiers each month as well as Iraqi civilians. Oh, not to mention the massive ****-up by the American military getting a big stash of explosives stolen right out from under their noses, and which is now floating around the world in the hands of people who have no compunction whatsoever about killing civilians by flying airplanes into tall buildings.

(Oh, and I forgot to mention his "Axis of Evil" comments and the withdrawal of the US from the Anti-Nuclear Missile Pact, thus ensuring North Korea, Iran and Russia get back into the business of making nuclear missiles. Now the US is also back in the business of making nuclear missiles, ostensibly for defense, but unfortunately, the rest of the nervous world doesn't see it that way....)

And I'm wondering, since Bush declined to have a medical before the election, if, post-election he does have a medical and it comes out that he's had a stroke.

These are *facts*, Julie; not media propoganda. It is a testament to the quality of Bush's spin doctors and *their* control of the media that they were able to convince the American public - including die-hard Democrats who would otherwise have voted for Kerry - that Bush was a saviour, a hero, that he was fighting "the war on terrorism" (when in actual fact he's not doing a damn thing about it except make it worse), that only he can save America from the big, bad Muslims. His campaign was predicated on the American public still being afraid after the events of September 11th, 2001; look at the number of so-called "orange alerts" that took place in the last few months of his campaign. And also observe that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CAME OF THEM. There is no way to prove a negative; there is no way to prove that there was actually any real threat to American security, unless somebody in Homeland Security admits it, and for certain, they never will; but the fact that "nothing" happened was a marvelous media tool for the Bush campaign that "something" was being done to protect the American people from those big, bad Muslims, because, see, "nothing happened!". Now *that's* propoganda!

By the way, I'm continually amazed at the number of "security" agencies the U.S. has, on a national basis. CIA, FBI, NSA, ATF, DEA, now Homeland Security - I'm sure I'm missing a few. What's up with all that, anyhow? Doesn't seem to be doing a lot of good.

 

[jhogan]

What propoganda? I'm just going by his record of so-called "achievements".

He's put the kibosh on stem-cell research based on his religious principles (which, by the way, should have no bearing at all on his politcal leadership, but, unfortunately, do),

Wrong - he has LIMITED federal dollars ONLY. Private research is ongoing, witness CA approval for $3 billion in research.

and has withdrawn funding from exploration and research in space (among other things).

There is a thing called budget constraints. Perhaps Canada can pick up the slack, or are you folks relying on us ?

He's opened up previously protected areas of wilderness to mining and oil interests, thus destroying the environment.

So ? One thing does not mean the other.

He's also against the Kyoto accord to reduce emissions by at least 10% within 10 years.

So was Clinton and the Congress. He even said it was bad for the US. Here is an idea, how about the PEOPLE change their habits ?

As a matter of economic fact, tax cuts benefit only rich,

Please go back to school. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Millions of people were cut OFF the tax rolls, and a new smaller tax rate was created, so the poorer folks don't have to pay as they were at the higher rate. But what would a foreigner know about our system ?

.. his tax cuts will result in a massive deficit within the next two years

Deficit is a result of terror attacks and economic slowdown when Bush took office (and when governemtns want to get out of recession, sometomes they have deficit spending to stimulate economy - go back to school to learn these things).

He invaded a country for reasons which are still a mystery to rational thinkers the world around

No mystery to me. And who cares about what the world thinks about OUR security ?

..since those reasons seemed to change on a daily basis (when one reason didn't pan out - like finding weapons of mass destruction - his spin doctors came up with another reason).

Reasons have remained the same. Please read his speeches and the history of the UN and the US for the last 13 yrs.

...while things were uncomfortable under Hussein for the most part, it didn't have any terrorist activity, either.

Yes, let's go back to the rape rooms, the torutre chambers, the mass graves, the slavery. Please....

Foreign aid workers are now being beheaded on a weekly basis in Iraq, and car bombs kill dozens of American soldiers each month as well as Iraqi civilians.

Oh, so let's cut and run ? Yes, when the going gets tough, let's leave. Let the terrorists win, that'll stop them.

Oh, not to mention the massive ****-up by the American military getting a big stash of explosives stolen right out from under their noses, and which is now floating around the world in the hands of people who have no compunction whatsoever about killing civilians by flying airplanes into tall buildings.

No proof whatsoever. Soe of them were even destroyed.

(Oh, and I forgot to mention his "Axis of Evil" comments and the withdrawal of the US from the Anti-Nuclear Missile Pact,

GOOD !

thus ensuring North Korea, Iran and Russia get back into the business of making nuclear missiles.

Wake up - they had 'em for yrs. and never stopped making them.

Now the US is also back in the business of making nuclear missiles, ostensibly for defense, but unfortunately, the rest of the nervous world doesn't see it that way....)

It's called modernization so the stockpile doesn't get old and explode themselves. Hard conecpt for you to understand ?

And I'm wondering, since Bush declined to have a medical before the election, if, post-election he does have a medical and it comes out that he's had a stroke.

These are *facts*, Julie; not media propoganda.

Huh ? Riiiiiiiiight. Me thinks you a little paranoid.

It is a testament to the quality of Bush's spin doctors and *their* control of the media that they were able to convince the American public - including die-hard Democrats who would otherwise have voted for Kerry - that Bush was a saviour, a hero, that he was fighting "the war on terrorism" (when in actual fact he's not doing a damn thing about it except make it worse), that only he can save America from the big, bad Muslims.

Try this on for size - perhaps we agree with Bush. Perhaps YOUR wrong, or is your democratic mind not able to understand this concept ? Are you the typical democrat who thinks they know best and everyone is wrong, "and if only they can see the turth !?"

His campaign was predicated on the American public still being afraid after the events of September 11th, 2001; l

Good ! People should be afraid, that makes them aware.

Look at the number of so-called "orange alerts" that took place in the last few months of his campaign. And also observe that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CAME OF THEM.

Perhaps nothing cam of them because of the alerts.

There is no way to prove a negative; there is no way to prove that there was actually any real threat to American security, unless somebody in Homeland Security admits it, and for certain, they never will; but the fact that "nothing" happened was a marvelous media tool for the Bush campaign that "something" was being done to protect the American people from those big, bad Muslims, because, see, "nothing happened!". Now *that's* propoganda!

I marvel at your ignorance.

By the way, I'm continually amazed at the number of "security" agencies the U.S. has, on a national basis. CIA, FBI, NSA, ATF, DEA, now Homeland Security - I'm sure I'm missing a few. What's up with all that, anyhow? Doesn't seem to be doing a lot of good.

Well, 3 yrs terror free - must be working.

 

[TDWoj]

"Well, 3 yrs terror free - must be working."

Who are you kidding? Maybe the victims of terrorism aren't in the US, but Americans are still being killed by terrorism on a daily basis. If American troops stay another year in Iraq, the number of Americans killed will soon surpass those that died in the twin towers.

Only the people living outside of the US right now are aware that the Americans have made a terrible mistake in their choice of leader. We can only watch and wait and hope that someone with common sense prevails inside the Bush administration, otherwise the world will burn.

As for counter-pointing your other responses - I can't debate someone who is as innocent as you are. You've obviously never seen lumber companies in action when they're clear-cutting virgin forests; or what happens to the land after mining companies extract their ore. You're clearly not aware of the difference between progressive and regressive taxes, and the effect the latter has on low-income households. Or the fact that taxes pay for more than the salaries of government employees. You have no idea the effect of Bush's foreign policy on countries that are desperate for drugs to treat AIDS and to whom aid is only given if the countries follow restrictive policies based on Bush's narrow religious beliefs.

This is all going to rise up and hit him back one day. I just hope the rest of the world has time to duck.

 

[jhogan]

"Well, 3 yrs terror free - must be working."

Who are you kidding? Maybe the victims of terrorism aren't in the US, but Americans are still being killed by terrorism on a daily basis. If American troops stay another year in Iraq, the number of Americans killed will soon surpass those that died in the twin towers.

Perhaps more american will die in Iraq, but it's called a WAR. People DIE in wars. Unlike the rest of the world, however, we are fighting to kill terrorists, not negotiate with them or to knuckle under their knives and threats.

Only the people living outside of the US right now are aware that the Americans have made a terrible mistake in their choice of leader. We can only watch and wait and hope that someone with common sense prevails inside the Bush administration, otherwise the world will burn.

Again, WHO CARES !? This is OUR election, NOT yours. We elect leader of OUR country, not YOURS. We elect a leader that will look out for OUR OWN self interest, not yours. When is the last time anyone here butted in you elections ?

You've obviously never seen lumber companies in action when they're clear-cutting virgin forests; or what happens to the land after mining companies extract their ore.

I have. And you think we are the only country that this happens in ? Look out your own back door, and fix your problems first.

You're clearly not aware of the difference between progressive and regressive taxes, and the effect the latter has on low-income households.

I am. But apprarently, you have no uderstanding of the tax reform that took place here in OUR country.

Or the fact that taxes pay for more than the salaries of government employees.

Huh ?

You have no idea the effect of Bush's foreign policy on countries that are desperate for drugs to treat AIDS and to whom aid is only given if the countries follow restrictive policies based on Bush's narrow religious beliefs.

Well, well. It comes out. So, we are to subsidize thew world according to the world's views ? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Our tax money, and if any administration decides to spend money for it or against it, it's our call, not the worlds.

 

[TDWoj]

I'm continually amazed at the capacity of some Americans who expound on the one hand their right to splendid isolation from the rest of the world, while on the other, spending so much time interfering in other countries' business.

Perhaps more american will die in Iraq, but it's called a WAR. People DIE in wars. Unlike the rest of the world, however, we are fighting to kill terrorists, not negotiate with them or to knuckle under their knives and threats.

And yet, that's exactly what needs to be done - a complete withdrawal of ALL foreign military and yes, even aid workers from Iraq. That is the only way to stop terrorism. Terrorism comes about when a small group of individuals believes that the sovereignty of their nation is threatened by another nation's socio-economic or political interference, sometimes known as "foreign policy".

Why terrorism is happening is that there is a socio-cultural abyss that the US is wilfully ignoring. "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" aren't just words in some cultures - they are a way of life. You kill my brother, I kill your two brothers and all their sons. When does it stop? It doesn't, unless one side withdraws. Withdrawal, by the way, is not surrender.

And what war in Iraq? It was never a war. It was an invasion, followed by an occupation. That's all it ever was, that's all it is now. American lives, and the lives of their allies, are being needlessly lost, all to further the testosterone-based ambitions of a man who desperately wants to prove to daddy that he's got the balls to do a job he was never legally entitled to in the first place.

Again, WHO CARES !? This is OUR election, NOT yours. We elect leader of OUR country, not YOURS. We elect a leader that will look out for OUR OWN self interest, not yours. When is the last time anyone here butted in you elections ?

Not that long ago, actually. Michael Moore came north with Fahrenheit 9/11 and exhorted Canadians not to vote for Stephen Harper. He actually broke Canadian law by doing so, and they are considering charging him with interference under that law.

I have. And you think we are the only country that this happens in ? Look out your own back door, and fix your problems first.

We try to; but it's difficult to do with the US-government's attitude of "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine, thanks, NAFTA!".

I am. But apprarently, you have no uderstanding of the tax reform that took place here in OUR country.

I was following the news at the time when Bush proposed his massive tax cut plan. It gave even American economists pause and cause for alarm. I haven't, so far, been able to find a single reference on the internet to what you claim, so for the time being I will leave this subject until I have more information.

Huh ?

Oops, sorry. I forgot. Your taxes pay only the salaries of your government employees; everything else is privatised. Yes, you're right; here in Canada, it's different. Our taxes pay for all kinds of things, like infrastructure, standards agencies like meat and water inspection, health care, environmental protection, and flu shots, among other things. My mistake. Didn't mean to confuse you.

Well, well. It comes out. So, we are to subsidize thew world according to the world's views ? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Our tax money, and if any administration decides to spend money for it or against it, it's our call, not the worlds.

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about foreign policy based on one man's imposing his religious or moral beliefs on a culture not his own, irrespective of funding, with a total disregard for the unnecessary suffering it will cost. By the way, it's okay to fund ways of killing people, but it's not okay to fund ways of saving people? Again, bafflement.

I have no doubt about the sincerity of your beliefs, and I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong. I am only trying to point out that there are there are consequences reaching far beyond your borders. As we've seen, at least 52% of the population believes as you do, that the US on the one hand is an island unto itself to act without taking responsibility for its actions on the international stage, and on the other hand, it has duty, even a manifest destiny, to interfere in the political workings of other nations, again, without considering the consquences of their actions for the future security of countries other than itself. This total disregard for the sovereignty of other nations has redounded upon the US, quite negatively, and will continue to do so until there's nothing left of this planet but smoking ash - and yes, you're right, the rest of the world can't do a damned thing about it.

 

[jhogan]

I'm continually amazed at the capacity of some Americans who expound on the one hand their right to splendid isolation from the rest of the world, while on the other, spending so much time interfering in other countries' business.

I haven't meddled in your countries affairs, have I ?

And yet, that's exactly what needs to be done - a complete withdrawal of ALL foreign military and yes, even aid workers from Iraq. That is the only way to stop terrorism. Terrorism comes about when a small group of individuals believes that the sovereignty of their nation is threatened by another nation's socio-economic or political interference, sometimes known as "foreign policy".

Wow - what a complete and udder lack of understanding of hhistory, current events, diplomacy and military affairs.

Why terrorism is happening is that there is a socio-cultural abyss that the US is wilfully ignoring. "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" aren't just words in some cultures - they are a way of life. You kill my brother, I kill your two brothers and all their sons. When does it stop? It doesn't, unless one side withdraws. Withdrawal, by the way, is not surrender.

Bunk. Read up on Bin Laden.

And what war in Iraq? It was never a war. It was an invasion, followed by an occupation. That's all it ever was, that's all it is now.

War is war, whether attacked first or attack first. This isn't the first time the US has attacked a country before being attacked. And why in the WORLD would anyone WANT to WAIT to be attacked ? Jesus - HELLO TERRORISTS, OPEN SEASON ON CANADA !! THEY WILL WAIT FOR YOU TO ATTACK THEM !

American lives, and the lives of their allies, are being needlessly lost,

That is for THIS country to decide, NOT yours.

all to further the testosterone-based ambitions of a man who desperately wants to prove to daddy that he's got the balls to do a job he was never legally entitled to in the first place.

No wonder why Americans hate Canadians. They're stupid. What a lack of understanding of our constitution or the legal process or the issues involved. And hello ? He was just re-elected in the biggest vote EVER.

Not that long ago, actually. Michael Moore came north with Fahrenheit 9/11 and exhorted Canadians not to vote for Stephen Harper. He actually broke Canadian law by doing so, and they are considering charging him with interference under that law.

Good ! I bet you a thousand you never do anything about it, though. Next time, keep him out of your country. But I know it's hard to keep people out up there, considering your pretty free with the letting in of the terrorists.

We try to; but it's difficult to do with the US-government's attitude of "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine, thanks, NAFTA!". [/qupte]
Yes... "please Uncle Sam, leave us alone, we can't so ANYTHING ourselves!" Quit making excuses.

I haven't, so far, been able to find a single reference on the internet to what you claim, so for the time being I will leave this subject until I have more information.

I will find for you and post.

Oops, sorry. I forgot. Your taxes pay only the salaries of your government employees; everything else is privatised. Yes, you're right; here in Canada, it's different. Our taxes pay for all kinds of things, like infrastructure, standards agencies like meat and water inspection, health care, environmental protection, and flu shots, among other things. My mistake. Didn't mean to confuse you.

No, didn't confuse me; perhaps you are - our taxes pay for everything you mentioned as well, but in various levels. Not as socialized as you people are, or as inefficient.

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about foreign policy based on one man's imposing his religious or moral beliefs on a culture not his own, irrespective of funding, with a total disregard for the unnecessary suffering it will cost. By the way, it's okay to fund ways of killing people, but it's not okay to fund ways of saving people? Again, bafflement.

Again, what a complete lack of understanding of our foreign policy, or even the purpose of ANY nations foreign policy. Foreign policy of a nation is controlled by its leader, not controlled of other nations, or the freakin' UN, for that matter.

I have no doubt about the sincerity of your beliefs, and I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong. I am only trying to point out that there are there are consequences reaching far beyond your borders. As we've seen, at least 52% of the population believes as you do, that the US on the one hand is an island unto itself to act without taking responsibility for its actions on the international stage, and on the other hand, it has duty, even a manifest destiny, to interfere in the political workings of other nations, again, without considering the consquences of their actions for the future security of countries other than itself. This total disregard for the sovereignty of other nations has redounded upon the US, quite negatively, and will continue to do so until there's nothing left of this planet but smoking ash - and yes, you're right, the rest of the world can't do a damned thing about it.

No, it has a menifest destiny to protect itself - AS ALL NATIONS DO, we just have more power.

 

[katw_03]

Please do not speak for me jhogan! I am an American
and I certainly DO NOT hate Canadians. I find TD to
be very intelligent and knowledgable in world affairs!
She is entitled to her opinion just as you are.

 

[TDWoj]

Thank you, Kat!

All I'm trying to do is offer a point of view from outside the borders of the US, to put things from within in a larger perspective. I prefer to engage in debate where it's an exchange of ideas; but so far, jhogan has called me (and my country) stupid, inefficient, and a haven for terrorists.

Kind of hard to debate ideas on that level. (sigh)

 

[Hallarian]

My colleagues, some of whom served overseas during emergencies with me are discussing what an individual nurse does when her country gets involved in immoral acts. Some Drs and nurses in WWII actually cooperated in the torture, medical experimentation, and murder of their patients. It made me sick to read this stuff.. Other nurses set up secret MASH units in forests hiding people (civilian and guerillas) from the Germans. Nurses also forged death certificates and other documents to help Jews, Gypsies, and the mentally ill to hide them from a death sentence or concentration camps. I’m not a brave woman but I know I’d what I’d do. I wonder if any American nurses served in that prison in Iraq?

Herman Goring 2nd in leadership to Adolph Hitler

“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it’s a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, fascist dictatorship, parliament, or communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to tell them is that they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for their lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. Will there be an election in 2008?

 

[jhogan]

Please do not speak for me jhogan! I am an American
and I certainly DO NOT hate Canadians. I find TD to
be very intelligent and knowledgable in world affairs!
She is entitled to her opinion just as you are.

Yeah, but YOU'RE from Arkansas !

(just kiiiiiding !!!!!)

And of course I don't speak for you - most people here would've wanted Kerry, anyway.

 

[jhogan]

... but so far, jhogan has called me (and my country) stupid, inefficient, and a haven for terrorists.

NOW you understand what we think of Canada !

 

[TDWoj]

NOW you understand what we think of Canada !

And it's exactly that attitude towards other nations that makes Americans in general so hated around the world.

I'm wondering why you are having so much trouble seeing that this is in large part the problem and why Americans are targetted as a result?

 

[Jules]

Woahh! A lot happened here since the last time I posted. I do agree with everything jhogan said on politics and President Bush. I do not think I would have worded it the same way. Might as well face it folks. We all will NEVER agree on everything; given fact. God gave us free will and the right to choose our paths we take in every aspect of our lives. I am so thankful we have the freedom to vote. So many countries do not. I still think too many people rely on what the liberal media tells them alone. That is so dangerous. Ever notice that a President that the media loves can seem to do no wronge, but one they do not like or agree with can not even go to the bathroom right.
I read everything from the liberal media to conservative reporting to everthing in between. We all can find out what is the truth and what is been twisted. It is not that hard. There are even "report cards" on how Senators and Congressmen vote.
If President Bush was as terrible as the liberals made him out to be I would have never voted for him. My choice. I did not vote lightly. I have a family to think about. My convictions are not the same as everyone else. We all do not have convictions made from the same mold. That is life.

 

[jhogan]

And it's exactly that attitude towards other nations that makes Americans in general so hated around the world.

I'm wondering why you are having so much trouble seeing that this is in large part the problem and why Americans are targetted as a result?

Whya re YOU having so much trouble trying to understand the fact that WE DON'T CARE what the world thinks of us. Once the world understands that, then it will all come into place. And it's not that we are targeted by terrorists becuase of this - in fact, guess what country is the biggest provider of aid to the mid east ? Good ol' Uncle Sam, that's who, and yet we are still targeted. TD, they not only want the US gone, but they want the western thought of democracy gone, including Canada. They want to set up a world Taliban rule. And they want to end the US as we know it, no matter what. They want every american man, woman and child dead. Guess who said this ? Uncle Bin Laden, that's who. But if you are talking about just being targeted by hate, well, so what - that's always been the case.

By the way - here is what Bush's tax reform act of 2001 did:

"The 2001 tax reform reduced the top rate of income tax from 39.6 per cent to 38.6 per cent, the second rate from 36 per cent to 35 per cent, the third rate from 31 per cent to 30 per cent, and the fourth rate from 28 per cent to 27 per cent, with more cuts scheduled for later years. It also introduced a new lower rate of ten per cent on the first six thousand dollars of taxable income, increased the child tax credit, reduced the tax penalty paid by married couples who file jointly, and phased out the estate tax."

This, TD, benefited EVERYONE in the US.