i rate li as a better fighter than seagal but seagal has more screen presence which is why i will always prefer segal to li.jet li made a film in 2001 called kiss the dragon and it was one of the best hollywood action films a have seen i just wish seagal would make a similer film.
li vs seagal
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Disciple
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As a fighter, Seagal is on an equal level with Jet Li in my opinion. There are many who would say otherwise, especially since Li began training when he was a rugrat and has won several national competitions. But Seagal's dedication to Aikido and other martial arts cannot be denied. So it's hard to say who would win in a fight...
In terms of presence, Seagal blows Li away.
Kiss of the Dragon is a decent film for the fight scenes. It's a pity Li can't really act.
In terms of presence, Seagal blows Li away.
Kiss of the Dragon is a decent film for the fight scenes. It's a pity Li can't really act.
Amos Stevens
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Well I hate to compare the two...but I might go with Li because of his physical condition
Nassau Mike
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If Li uses those wires like in his movies he might be able to reach Seagal's head to get in a blow.
Seagal is a more accomplished martial artist-having trained with some of the best in several arts. Aikido is just the art he is most known for. He is also proficient is several other martial arts not to mention he is also an expert with a sword and was once known as one of the best at it in all of Japan.
Can anyone really see Li doing anything to Seagal that would hurt him. Seagal is also an expert in Jujitsu with all the armlocks and choke holds-God forbid he got his hands on Li and he would sooner or later.
Li cannot beat up people in real life that are 3 times bigger than he is-thats just in the movies.
Seagal is a more accomplished martial artist-having trained with some of the best in several arts. Aikido is just the art he is most known for. He is also proficient is several other martial arts not to mention he is also an expert with a sword and was once known as one of the best at it in all of Japan.
Can anyone really see Li doing anything to Seagal that would hurt him. Seagal is also an expert in Jujitsu with all the armlocks and choke holds-God forbid he got his hands on Li and he would sooner or later.
Li cannot beat up people in real life that are 3 times bigger than he is-thats just in the movies.
Nassau Mike
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I dont discount Li's background: I just know Seagal's.
This is like comparing Lennox Lewis to Prince Hamed or any other champion featherweight.
I do know Li's background too. He is good but i just dont think he would have a chance in a one on one matchup with Seagal(my opinion). Hes gonna have to do a lot more to Seagal to make it a more even fight and I cannot see that happening and I'm comparing the two of them at this point in their career. If you want to compare them both at their peaks-then there is no comparison-Seagal, hands down.
Van Damm is in better shape than Seagal but he would'nt last a minute in a real fight with Seagal.
Fumio Demura(who Seagal trained under in Karate) is not in any kind of shape either but he is the foremost practictioner of the art in North America.
I liked Li in Kiss of the Dragon(his best lately) but in most of his films they are just fantasy or down right laughable like "The One". I thought he would have been great in The Matrix and was dissapointed when he turned it down. His real art looks nothing like what he does in his latest films where he is hardly on the ground and is spinning around in midair and kicking 7 or 8 mens ass at one time and some of which(like the large black man in I think KOD) he sends flying out a window with a kick or a punch(ridiculous). He may be strong but hes not that strong-Bruce Lee was'nt that strong and Li is no Bruce Lee.
This is like comparing Lennox Lewis to Prince Hamed or any other champion featherweight.
I do know Li's background too. He is good but i just dont think he would have a chance in a one on one matchup with Seagal(my opinion). Hes gonna have to do a lot more to Seagal to make it a more even fight and I cannot see that happening and I'm comparing the two of them at this point in their career. If you want to compare them both at their peaks-then there is no comparison-Seagal, hands down.
Van Damm is in better shape than Seagal but he would'nt last a minute in a real fight with Seagal.
Fumio Demura(who Seagal trained under in Karate) is not in any kind of shape either but he is the foremost practictioner of the art in North America.
I liked Li in Kiss of the Dragon(his best lately) but in most of his films they are just fantasy or down right laughable like "The One". I thought he would have been great in The Matrix and was dissapointed when he turned it down. His real art looks nothing like what he does in his latest films where he is hardly on the ground and is spinning around in midair and kicking 7 or 8 mens ass at one time and some of which(like the large black man in I think KOD) he sends flying out a window with a kick or a punch(ridiculous). He may be strong but hes not that strong-Bruce Lee was'nt that strong and Li is no Bruce Lee.
Nassau Mike
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Disciple said:
Whats he gonna do to Seagal when he gets him on the ground(if he could possibly do it considering Aikido is a very defensive art and which Seagal has made quite offensive and street wise). Seagal is expertly trained in Jujitsu, which is widely used in ground fighting(with all the choke holds and arm and leg locks). Li would be better served to stay on his feet where he could use his speed advantage.
Its like comparing apples and oranges but i dont see much of a real fight here.
Gino Felino
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Li sucks. I dont know his back ground and I dont care to. His movies blow a 10 pound dick .His movies are just all fighting and no talking. I would prefer Chan over Li just because he kinda knows english... barly
Lotussan
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Well, I saw Sensei Seagal on that Martial arts documentary, and I have to agree, and he said the same, it's not all about kicking butt, it's about honing your spiritual side, and defending your honor (or the honor of your woman in some cases, how very romantic...
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I think however that many who practice MA's do not see it the way he does...
I get the feeling that Bruce Lee did, though...
Jet Li looks too artsy and showy to me, and
Van Damme well, I just can't take him seriously...
He's really just acting I imagine...
)I think however that many who practice MA's do not see it the way he does...
I get the feeling that Bruce Lee did, though...
Jet Li looks too artsy and showy to me, and
Van Damme well, I just can't take him seriously...
He's really just acting I imagine...
GlimmerMan
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Gino Felino said:
Hahahaha!!! I like the 10 pound dick quote, but I must disagree with your otherwise rather ignorant post. Jet Li is one of the most successful and popular martial artists-turned action stars from the Far East and his Asian produced movies contain some of the most beautifully choreographed fight scenes you are ever likely to see in any movie ever. Forget overblown crap like The One, which is his only really poor Hollywood movie - movies like the Once Upon A Time In China series and Fist Of Legend all contain visually stunning martial arts fight sequences that put big-bugdet Hollywood movies like The Matrix to shame. One major problem with Li is that he hasn't really had a successful transition from Asian to Hollywood movies because his grasp of English holds him back somewhat, but movies like Kiss Of The Dragon and Romeo Must Die were good and a lot better than recent shoddy efforts from most of the best known martial artists turned movie stars such as Van Damme, Seagal and Jackie Chan.
As for comparing Li and Seagal - I don't see the point. Jet Li himself is the first to admit that he couldn't beat a bigger guy in a real fight. In his latest movie Cradle 2 The Grave, there was an awesome sequence where Jet took on several UFC fighters in a cage one after another, but he was also quick to admit that in a real life battle, he would have been beaten to a pulp. He has genuine talent as a martial artist and is probably one of the best (and most humble) martial artists turned movie stars around, but he also knows his limitations. Not only that but he also listens to his fans and has an excellent official website where he himself posts regular updates, news and interviews.
Glimmer
Nassau Mike
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That scene that Glimmer is talking about from Cradle to the Grave(which was crap by the way) was one of the main reasons that I dont like Jet Li movies..He took on every fighter in the UFC and just blew them away with all the wire fu and, get this, a midget; who he used as a type of baseball bat to hit the UFC fighters..What a joke and utterly ridiculous fight scene that was..Here Li is(just a little bigger than the midget actually) and swinging this midget around and hitting 240-300 pound men out of the ring like they were children..His fights are never realistic and the wire fu is similar to monkey man from Out for a Kill..
I'm not a big Van Damme fan but I'd prefer to watch his vidio movies to Jet Li's big budget wire fu crap.
Actually, The Medallion, that Chan just did was similar to Jet Li movies and now Chan is flying all over the place..Call em what they are--CARTOONS..
I'm not a big Van Damme fan but I'd prefer to watch his vidio movies to Jet Li's big budget wire fu crap.
Actually, The Medallion, that Chan just did was similar to Jet Li movies and now Chan is flying all over the place..Call em what they are--CARTOONS..
Kido Ryu
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GlimmerMan said:
Hello everyone 
I'll have to agree with G-Man on this one.
Jet Li is a great Wushu competitor but has said that he has never been in a real fight. Real fight experience will win over no fight experience no matter what style one knows.
Just my opinion.
Respectfully,
Rev.Dean
I'll have to agree with G-Man on this one.
Jet Li is a great Wushu competitor but has said that he has never been in a real fight. Real fight experience will win over no fight experience no matter what style one knows.
Just my opinion.
Respectfully,
Rev.Dean
Amos Stevens
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Hello Rev Dean! Good to see you're still around!
Sleeping Fox
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GlimmerMan said:
lol thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one to see him as a fool of the highest calibre...
And Glimmer good post!
GlimmerMan
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Why thankyou!
Reverend Dean... you dirty snake! Good to see you back, buddy. Are you still travelling the globe in search of spiritual enlightenment like Cain in Kung Fu? Take it easy man.
Glimmer
Reverend Dean... you dirty snake! Good to see you back, buddy. Are you still travelling the globe in search of spiritual enlightenment like Cain in Kung Fu? Take it easy man.
Glimmer
Sleeping Fox
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GlimmerMan said:
Yea dean, care to share some Enlightenment with us?
Some of us could use it.
lol.
Glimmer, I have several Kung Fu Winamp Skins along with Maiden Skins!
Nassau Mike
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Kido Ryu said:Hello everyone
I'll have to agree with G-Man on this one.
Jet Li is a great Wushu competitor but has said that he has never been in a real fight. Real fight experience will win over no fight experience no matter what style one knows.
Just my opinion.
Respectfully,
Rev.Dean
I think Seagal has had a few fights in his time just as Bruce Lee did-they might not have been professionally sanctioned but they have had fights with some bad dudes and not in a ring with a referee to separate them..
Seagal's art or Aikido( the way he taught it and practiced it) was very street smart and was tested there many times in Japans streets and others..He's also a master of several other martial arts including jujitsu/kenjitsu..
Li was a wushu competitor..Are you saying that just because he did wushu in a few tournaments that he can beat Seagal? I think a lot of the students that Seagal taught are better than Li..
I put Li in the same class as Chan..
Lee, Norris and Seagal are the best martial artists ever to make movies and at their peak were heads and shoulders(no pun intended on little Li) above the rest..