Steven Seagal, spiritual symbol

Cubanfan

New Member
Here we see a man from the U.S.A. (a 'Westerner') practicing Buddhism in Japan, and a Zen´s practicer (an 'Easterner') surviving on the American and European streets. A non-sense? A contradiction? It's so weird that someone is at the same time so Asian and so occidental! These cultures are so different...

The problem doesn't lie on Seagal's mind (he's O.K.) but on the natural tendence of mankind to erect dividing walls. Actually, mankind has many cultures, but only one spiritual essence to which we all belong.

I've seen Seagal enduring terrible losses on his movies. It is like a pattern for him to be beaten by Destiny: losing his wife and maybe his son in 'Hard to Die', again his wife in 'Out for a killing', etc. He never weeps, or screams or beats his head against walls. He remains calm, as a real enlightened Buddhist. He knows that, as Siddharta Gautama taught, everything will pass away, everything is transitory; he knows that stubborn attachment to things (even the dearest ones) will mean at the end of the journey an unnecesary extra pain, when everything will fade away. He knows that everyone needs to accept things the way they are. As the great Hinayana abbot Ajahn Sumedho says: 'tHAT´S THE WAY IT IS'.

But, is not this the same attitude of the Bible, backbone of Western culture together with Classical thought, when says:'everything in the world (...) comes not from the Father, but from the world. The world and its desires pass away'? Another spirituality, the same conclusion. Not an exhortation, we must explain, to become a quietist who just becomes a fatalist and makes nothing. Man must be a fighter, a combatant for his inner righteousness and for the transformation of this world. The compassion of the Boddhisatva, the love of the Christian, both tend to make a better home for mankind. Making yourself a better person, you can do more for others.


Such a wisdom you will find it too in Quran, in prehispanic cultures, in African myths... Everywhere men and women are the same. We all have a common Destiny: building a better human being, and a better world. We all need to fight together, to accomplish our mission. Fighting in the same way as Seagal, modern Heracles, defeats gangsters, terrorists and other modern monsters that retard human progress. It's not just a fist fight what we see on Seagal's movies, but the ancient and permanent war between the non-eternal evil and The Eternal Goodness. Seagal is more than an actor. He is an archetype.

That's why I think that Steven Seagal is a symbol of the spiritual unity of mankind. Just seeing this man as a great martial artist and a famous Hollywood star, is not deep enough. I believe that. But, what do you, fellow -fans, think about it?
 

Amos Stevens

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Well in some of his movies he has tried to get across different messages,but otherwise movie making is just a way to make money & I would think there would be other means to be more "spiritual" than being an actor?
 

TDWoj

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Staff member
Also, remember that Steven abandoned Zen Buddhism in favour of Tibetan Buddhism. My understanding of the two schools is that Zen is much harder to follow than Tibetan.

It's only recently that he's tried putting in a "spiritual" message into his movies, and alas, the result has been pretty awful, all elements taken together. I applaud him for trying - but there has to be a way to put spirituality into a film and not have the film - or the attempt at spirituality - come out just plain awful (what the heck was up with the evil sorcerer in Belly of the Beast, anyhow? Steven's movies have always been firmly set in the more-or-less "real" world. Magic? Since when?).

I would be more inclined to believe in his spirituality if his interactions with people could be held up in the light and shine without blemish. Unfortunately, the way he treats people, particularly women, seems to be at odds with his supposed spirituality.
 

Cubanfan

New Member
Beautiful replies

Oh, I loved both replies!
Mr. Amos Steven's observation was beautiful. What can be more spiritual than being an actor?
And I find very good TD's reply, because it reflects a different point of view, and for me there´s nothing more beautiful than difference.
Thanks to both of you, dear friends, I always learn with your messages.
A hug
Douglas
 

kickingbird

candle lighter
Seagal's spiritual messages to me are clear in films like On Deadly Ground and Fire Down Below; yet one needs to actually look at him as a human being to see the true essence.
Douglas, your message is very nice. As a humble student of Sufism, I've come to realize and recognize the Essence of Truth within all paths, and the unity between human beings. The world would be a better place if we could all act with unity and compassion.
Peace
 

Cubanfan

New Member
Thanks, Kickingbird

I just can say that Sufism is an spiritual jewell. You make me remember to the great Sufi mistic who was martirized in Bagdad due to his total identification with the Trascendent One ('Ï am the Truth' he said).
Keep practicing this beautiful misticism and let the Lord bless you.
Someday all men we´ll become brothers and sisters.
Bye, brother
Douglas
 

Cubanfan

New Member
Well, my friend Jace, although I think that an Archetype is something already fixed and with universal meaning (like the Zodiac maybe?), nevertheless one can build his/her own Archetypes. It depends upon own's philosophy. For me the mythological or tragic heros of Ancient Greece, the same as the Samurai, are all the same Archetype: the fighter man. It's my idea for Seagal. He is like an new Ahura-Mazda.

But maybe 'The Force' (Tarot VIII) which for Yug Do´s practicers (I am a sympathizer of this system) represents 'the potential energy, the Yoga's Kundalini, the ability to answer all the challenges from our own's evolution' (Words of the Master I.) can be too a good Archetype for Seagal.

Excuse me, 'Karmic brother', if I am not able enough to answer your very difficult and concrete question.
Peace!
Douglas
 

tora

Funmaker
I have a lot in mind I can't reflect it all in a few words.So in your post,Doug,I see a part of my phylosophy.And the other part is probably something you couldn't reflect in words :D
 

tora

Funmaker
What I always say,don't judge unless you be judged yourself.One thing I'm sure of is that Mr Seagal knows it better than anyone what he's after and why he's there.The rest might simply be a guess,whatever it is.Universality that is.Whatever you,wherever you are,you're true to yourself.I believe Mr Seagal is true to himself and when he's mistaken he knows it too and we make mistakes,well,we learn not to make them again.
Whenever I see a Steven Seagal movie I have a subtle feeling of what was meant to be told...And honestly,I can't connect it with something like a bad movie.I don't know what a bad movie is.I don't know what a movie is.But I know what life is.And that is not a movie,be it bad or good.
 

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
Nice thoughts Cubanfan.


TDWoj said:
Also, remember that Steven abandoned Zen Buddhism in favour of Tibetan Buddhism. My understanding of the two schools is that Zen is much harder to follow than Tibetan.

TD,

You are mistaken. I'd say that with any school of Buddhism there is no easy way to follow. The Four Noble Truth, Eightfold Path, and Five Precepts are common to all of them. It's just that different people understand things differently. While outerly Tibetan Buddhism may look more relaxed when it comes to certain things, it is still a very strict discipline.
 

Cubanfan

New Member
Thank you, Tora and Jalu

Tora, I feel the same you do. I believe like you that Mr Seagal is true to himself and I have a subtle feeling of what was meant to be told[/I. But it is so difficult trying to express oneself's inner essence! How much difficult it would be to express another's? Nevertheless, I will resume my thread in few words: Seagal´s personality have a very trascendental and secret meaning. Only seeing kicks and blows is just scratching the surface of something that can only be felt or perceived.

In fact, maybe every person has this trascendency in itself, isn´t it?

And Jalu, I just love Buddhism (though I am a Christian) and like a lot your way of considering every branch of the Dharma like equally deep and accesible. I think all spiritual ways are hard to realize, and wonderful to accomplish.

Please, forgive my English, right? In Spanish it would be difficult to me speaking about these things. Imagine then in another Language.
 
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