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Stories about Seagal (from director's , co-stars....)

rastafari

Well-Known Member
#22
And this:

I just watched KS again (on my personal player while on a long flight). And it is even more obvious to me now that the ridiculously extended fight sequences were added not only to add action but also to make up the time lost from the removal of the main plot of the movie. I think that the main plot of the movie wasn't originally Jacob's hunting down of the Grifter or the Hillbilly, but was much more focused on the female FBI's investigation of Jacob, and whether he was using the serial killer cases he investigated to cover up his own copycat murders.

Now, this "FBI investigating King" plot point is brought up, but only briefly and very near the end of the movie. But if you watch the whole movie closely, you can see where lots of dialog has been edited out of the earlier parts of the film--you can just tell because people often seem to be responding with expressions or emotions that seem out of place and/or saying things that have nothing to do with the conversation at hand. I don't think just bad filmmking or bad writing is the reason most of the dialog scenes make no sense or have no point. I think it's because they were editing out any dialog that had to do with the FBI investigation and also shuffling the order of the scenes. Take for instance the scene where King's partner, Storm, makes a late night visit to King's apartment, obviously to tell him something important. Well, he pretty much tells him nothing, has a big drink of bourbon or something, says something incongruous about being paranoid, and then leaves. I mean, what was that all about? Well, I think it was originally Storm telling him about the FBI investigation of him. And I think that the lone scene near the end of the movie where the FBI agent actually states that she thinks King is a serial killer was originally placed much earlier in the film, and then moved to the end later on. AND I think that all the dialog in the next to the last scene, where we hear what Storm is reading in King's goodbye note, was replaced as well. Instead of the meaningless nonsense we hear in the released version, I believe we originally heard King telling Storm that the FBI agent’s suspicions were partially correct. I think in that note, King confessed to Storm that he is indeed a serial killer, but that he is a serial killer of serial killers. And then he tells him that Jacob is not his real name and that he’ going back to his real life, or something. Not sure about that part. But I am sure that he tells storm that he’s a serial killer of serial killers.

AND I’m sure that this was a much more interesting, intelligent and more entertaining film before the studio butchered it. Maybe not a masterpiece, but much better than what we got. I’d love to see the original cut or read the original screenplay.

In Verns book about Seagal he mentions that he saw the original cut and it was not what you mentioned above....infact your ideas were better and would have been an interesting idea

He said

An early workprint from when it was called Higher Form of Learning presents a different version of the film.Seagal supervised this cut and although not great its a better film than it turned into.The fight scenes are edited alot better

1.When the bad guy is throw from the window its 2 shots one from inside and one from out
2.When Seagal curbs the bad guy we see a shocked reaction from people

The Earlier cut of the film is shorter but has more character moments and story.

The above is from Verns book and theres more in there about scenes that were cut/removed
 

andrey_hard

Well-Known Member
#23
If you take the director Don E. FauntLeRoy, from all the movies that he made with Seagal, the best is the Urban Justice, because it was not associated with the Millennium
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
#24
I remember I arranged 2 interviews in the past. One with Don E. Fauntleroy and 1 with Roel Reine.
Does someone know where they are? I can’t find them anywhere on the site. Administrator maybe you know?
Dida,

Some time ago a lot of threads unintentionally got permantly deleted. Unfortunately these threads were among them.

Peace
 

DiDa

Super Moderator
Staff member
#31
Just found an conversion between Lauro Chartrand and Marcus Young (2nd Unit Director, Stuntman) on facebook. The conversation is from yesterday.

Lauro Chartrand posted a link to the trailer of Force Of Execution. Then Marcus Young responds:

Marcus Young:
You still doing those? Don't know how you can work with him.

Lauro Chartrand:
I direct 2nd Unit and SS is never there!! LOL It's actually a great team and I love working with
Keoni Waxman, Benjamin F. Sacks, Nathan Wilson, Binh Dang and the rest of the gang. I missed the latest one as I was 2nd Unit Directing another film in Kiev, but I will work with them again anytime I can. Great peeps!
 

DiDa

Super Moderator
Staff member
#34
Remember the interview we had with Lauro Chartrand. He said that he liked Steven much and that he did all the fightscenes and so on.....backstabbing....maybe
 

DiDa

Super Moderator
Staff member
#35
I remember that I asked D. Neil Mark (who played Steven's partner in Born To Raise Hell) on facebook how it's like to work with Seagal. He said he didn't had a great time working with him. He wouldn't go into details....

So maybe there were some problems during the shoot of Born To Raise Hell (which Chartand directed). But it's not noticeable in the movie.
 
#36
Oh well it be it back stabbing when some one cant say some thing to your face there not worth the effort ...but Steven san much bigger and better man then them any way ..
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
#39
I've read this story somewhere before.
It's from his Sony days which hurt his career badly.

So I think part of this came from Seagals frustration with the bad scripts and studio involvements with the finished products and such. But still not very positive and it strengthens other stories of Seagals diva behaviour on set.

Peace
 

Martin01

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#40
This is a very old story, and it’s not clear if it’s true. I don’t understand why manlymovie is always reporting negative things about Seagal. They could at least mention that he is working now for over 5 years with Waxman. I thought this site is about old school action, which is a very rare thing nowadays, and Seagal, although some critic is absolutely deserved, still deliver this.