TARRANTINO flicks...or SEAGAL flicks?

lee nicholson

Well-Known Member
Why oh why are are so-called 'movie' fans choosing junk like KILL BILL over (say...)BELLY OF THE BEAST. KB tries to be hip, tries to be violent (believe me, it isn't as violent as people say it is) and SEAGAL is having to do STV movies.
It's a disgrace, and please don't think i'm slagging off TARRANTINO, i just think he makes one good movie, then one bad movie: resovoir dogs (good, tough, hard) pulp fiction (smarmy, self-satisfied) jackie brown (gritty, well acted) kill bill (as pulp fiction, but just a complete catologue of other superior movies) I look forward to TARRANTINO's other movies, but his over-relience on milking a "genre' that SEAGAL kept alive in the late 80's-90's is pittifull, considering SEAGAL's treatment by hollywood. Plus the fact, that BOTB was better than KB (fact!)
Tarrantino is in danger of being too hip. With "hip-ness" , someone is proclaimed "hip", not with a in-built "hip' thing to everything they do. He need's to be creative, or maybe all the guy can do is 'borrow' (sorry....pay "homage" to) from other movies.
And when dealing with the martial-arts genre, the cinema public should remember the true bad-ass of kung-fu cinema...STEVEN SEAGAL

Sorry, i had to get that off my chest, i'm just sick of the sight of KILL BILL merchandise around at the moment. Advertising to people, who like the movie, regardless of actually "liking" it. The ultimate insult being that BRUCE LEE's classic GAME OF DEATH has been re-released in the uk (on dvd) in KILL BILL style artwork(?????????kill bill owes whatever limited style, it may have, to GAME OF DEATH)
Prety soon kung-fu cinema will be exclusivly populated by the JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE crowd.

peace

(by the way, am i the only one to hate PULP FICTION?)
 

Reservoir Dog

MRKD4DTH
first you need to calm down. Seagal is an action hero badass, even tarantino has said that. but they are two totally different types of movies. you cant compare them at all. Some people dislike Seagal a lot, but they dont go criticising him on these boards. I like seagal, but Kill Bill is good too. Give it a chance, you may find it to be cool.




"Chance Favors the Prepared Mind"
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
I don't even want to watch kill bill...
If you ask me, Tarentino has made some errrrrr interesting films, but really he's a bit odd to say the least...
Ok, some might say things about Steven being eccentric, but at least he's a man who fights for peace and justice and what's right...
He's mighty tough on the bad guys, but frankly some of Tarentino's films are just plain gross...
There is such an emphasis on the bad things, and his films all seem to make it seem ok or cool...
Was "natural born killers" his film?
That was just plain sick IMO...
Definately not good for the younger kids to be getting an infulence off of that...
And believe me, I know they get to see these films via DVD...
I of course choose Steven Seagal for many reasons, but lots of people are into that gorey stuff...
It's like choosing between healthy food and junk food, most go for the junk....
Steven said it before, most people don't want to spend time thinking about what the movie's message is, and they don't want to face the fact that things are real out in the world...
Escapism is popular though, I do know...
As far as Tarentino goes, I liked Desperado a lot, but the rest, ehhhh...
And as an actor Tarentino is a total joke...
To me he's just plain weird, and he's no actor, but puts himself in the movie...
And there is toooooo much profanity and nudity and violence, geez...
There is that stuff in Steven Seagal movies, but it's realistic and not the whole movie...
I think the gory grossness of Tarentino films is just too much...
He's way over-rated in my opinion...
But gotta say he's definately different...
I wouldn't say it was in a good way, but to each their own...
Maybe people like him because no-one is threatened by him, when comparing his oddball sense of humor and odd looks to Sensei's utter charm and tall, devastatingly good looks, there is no contest...
Jealousy can do terrible things, and unfortunately some folks out there are very jealous of Steven Seagal....
If I were a guy I'd feel jealous and inferior, I think the size alone is enough to make the average guy feel intimidated...
Maybe I'm wrong, but I see that, especially with the reviewers....
Of course this is just a female POV, and one who's a bit biased...:D
 

lee nicholson

Well-Known Member
This is the problem i have with KILL BILL, people say "it's cool" but why?
Could anyone tell me what the fuss was all about, what was so "cool" about the movie?

Is it because it's a tarrantino flick?

The dialogue was not cool
The fight scenes were atrocious
The plot dragged on, and on

The point i'm trying to make is, that unfortunetly GENUINE martial-arts movies are being swept asside for audience friendly "COOL" movies.
BELLY OF THE BEAST is marketed as a martial arts movie
KILL BILL is marketed as a martial-arts movie
Do you see what I am geting at?

peace (and oh, by the way i loved RESOVOIR DOGS!)
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
I didn't even know it was anything to do with martial arts...
But then as I said, I am not interested in seeing it at all....
I used to like his stuff after Desperado came out, and even
I liked from Dusk Till Dawn, because of the vampire theme,
but I was cringing from the blood and the talk of women's
body parts in such a crass, crass, way...I mean I know
boys will be boys, and I like a little bad boy, but this was
just derogatory to the max...
Not to mention Four rooms, which was really funny, yet still totally
gross....
He's just an oddball, that's for sure...
He has good taste in music, though...
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
And if that audience is a friendly one, do I want to mingle with them?
really don't think so....I guess I am just to serious...
 

steve

New Member
Tarantino

Have to agree with Lee on this one, Belly of the Beast is worth a thousand Kill Bills. Reservoir Dogs was decent (even though like his other films it pillaged tonnes of older films) but Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown were just too smarmy and 'clever' for their own good. I'm just not interested in Kill Bill. Aside from its exploting of people's money by being split into two parts, the fights look stupid. Uma fights with a pan in a 'comic' scene, come on it's just crap. If you want to see a fight with a pan give me Seagal beating the crap out of William Forsythe at the end of Out For Justice any day.
 
I used to think Taratino was a good film maker but all that changed one night. SBS in Australia ran all these old spaghetti westerns from the 60's and much to my surprise they were almost identical to Tarantino's movies. The plots were the same, the direction, the performances, hell, he even stole some of the music. He always says he's paying homage to these films, it looks like he's stealing them to me.

If anyone doesn't believe me check out an old Lee Van Cleef movie called "Death Rides a Horse".
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
uh oh, really? :eek: That really sucks...
But kind of makes sense now that you mention it...
tsk, tsk...
 

ZenLateralus

Disposition Seagal
I just wanted to mention that I did rent and see Kill Bill. I thought it was neat that he used different types of media (ie: black & white scenes, animations, etc.) although other than the way the movie was made and its differences from mainstream movies I didn't see anything that stood out as great. I admit, I'll probably rent the other two just to see how the movie ends but you won't find any Kill Bill (or any of Tarantino's flicks to date) in my collection. I'd much rather watch some of Steven Seagal's highly highly underated films like The Patriot, On Deadly Ground, The Glimmer Man, US 2 (& 1 but that wasn't really given bad credit), Ticker, and the highly entertaining Belly of the Beast (and every other Seagal film (save OFAK) though they weren't as underated). Where else can you see in a film the power of buddism defeat evil? Besides, the martial arts in Kill Bill do not look exciting or as well done as I would have hoped. I think this may be Tarantino's best film but I don't think it is better than some of Seagal's worst.
 

RichieMadano

Out For Justice Fan
gunslinger said:
I used to think Taratino was a good film maker but all that changed one night. SBS in Australia ran all these old spaghetti westerns from the 60's and much to my surprise they were almost identical to Tarantino's movies.

I think that is the point with Tarrantino films. He is influenced by so many different films and what he does is to make new films out of the best bits of old ones. Part of the fun for the audience is spotting which films he is "paying homage" to. Kill Bill is a monster for this having images taken from absolutely loads of Hong Kong and Japanese films.

I'm not a huge fan of Kill Bill (my favourite Tarrantino is still Resevoir Dogs) but it is an entertaining and competent piece of film making. Much better than Belly of the Beast, but not close to Seagal at his best. I'd certainly rather watch Out For Justice than KB2.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
lee nicholson said:
Why oh why are are so-called 'movie' fans choosing junk like KILL BILL over (say...)BELLY OF THE BEAST. KB tries to be hip, tries to be violent (believe me, it isn't as violent as people say it is) and SEAGAL is having to do STV movies.
It's a disgrace, and please don't think i'm slagging off TARRANTINO, i just think he makes one good movie, then one bad movie: resovoir dogs (good, tough, hard) pulp fiction (smarmy, self-satisfied) jackie brown (gritty, well acted) kill bill (as pulp fiction, but just a complete catologue of other superior movies) I look forward to TARRANTINO's other movies, but his over-relience on milking a "genre' that SEAGAL kept alive in the late 80's-90's is pittifull, considering SEAGAL's treatment by hollywood. Plus the fact, that BOTB was better than KB (fact!)
Tarrantino is in danger of being too hip. With "hip-ness" , someone is proclaimed "hip", not with a in-built "hip' thing to everything they do. He need's to be creative, or maybe all the guy can do is 'borrow' (sorry....pay "homage" to) from other movies.
And when dealing with the martial-arts genre, the cinema public should remember the true bad-ass of kung-fu cinema...STEVEN SEAGAL

Sorry, i had to get that off my chest, i'm just sick of the sight of KILL BILL merchandise around at the moment. Advertising to people, who like the movie, regardless of actually "liking" it. The ultimate insult being that BRUCE LEE's classic GAME OF DEATH has been re-released in the uk (on dvd) in KILL BILL style artwork(?????????kill bill owes whatever limited style, it may have, to GAME OF DEATH)
Prety soon kung-fu cinema will be exclusivly populated by the JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE crowd.

peace

(by the way, am i the only one to hate PULP FICTION?)


Personally I pay to watch Seagal do his own fight scenes not some Seagal look a like from behind doing a jump spinning hook kick with computer animation. Kill Bill is by far more superior over BOTB, as much as I love Seagal, he is going with the trend. He set a new standard back in the late 80's for martial art action films and now he is just being a follower. Kill Bill's fight scenes are extraordinary especially with Gordon Liu and the cinematography is spectacular. I am hoping for a Seagal comeback so I can prove myself wrong.

;-)
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
You got me going when I'm on a rush, so here it is ...

O.K. LOL I will read this thread after I finish watching Kill Bill (gotta rent it first). And WTF are you talking about. Pulp Fiction was a great movie, it made Travolta what he is today. If it wasn't for Pulp Fiction, Travolta would still be doing his musicals ... perhaps Lion King 10 1/2 ... I haven't seen 'Reservoir Dogs.' So hey Reservoir Dog how was it?

And if you say that Kill Bill is not nearly as good as BOTB, I'd have to say that I would disagree to that a 1000% seeing as the critics loved it and are loving the continuation of Volume2. As I said, while reviewing BOTB, there were too many things wrong with it and nobody paid attention to anything (which is not Seagal's fault, but he must take some responsibility since he was one of the producers), perhaps that nobody got paid to do any decent work besides Steven Seagal himself. "Attention must be paid" - remember that Miller's line!

I will watch Kill Bill, and report on this matter in the future ... but don't be knocking Tarantino (maybe you couldn't understand his movie(s) but there are a heck of a lot more people who couldn't get The Foreigner at all, and Tarantino is always detailed in his work allowing no room for error, and in turn makes no errors - LOOK AT THE BOX OFFICE!).

For now - take it easy, as I'LL BE BACK :=))
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
LOL Frying pan - is that all you've got? :=))

Tora, all I have to say is LOL. How about something other than frying pan, 'cause I'm getting bored of it.
 

tora

Funmaker
Wow!First they're killing Bill and then making salami out of him...Ferocious!What else can I say...:rolleyes:
 
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