Littledragon
Above The Law
I just saw it, It is SPECTACULAR!!
TARRANTINO flicks...or SEAGAL flicks?
- Thread starter lee nicholson
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Belly of the Beast v Tarantino
- Better action scenes
- Better music
- Nicer photography
- More bone-crunching
- A real martial arts master as its hero rather than a woman in tight pants
- A better climax
- Better ideas rather than stealing from other films
- In one whole part rather than two separate ones
- Lots more feisty Oriental girls
- More strip club scenes
- A transvestite villain
- Better kiss-off lines
- Less comedy
- Cops being beaten up
- A girl who gets naked and rubs lotion over her breasts to reveal a message
- Nicer locations
- A crossbow versus gun duel
Belly of the Beast wins hands down.
- Better action scenes
- Better music
- Nicer photography
- More bone-crunching
- A real martial arts master as its hero rather than a woman in tight pants
- A better climax
- Better ideas rather than stealing from other films
- In one whole part rather than two separate ones
- Lots more feisty Oriental girls
- More strip club scenes
- A transvestite villain
- Better kiss-off lines
- Less comedy
- Cops being beaten up
- A girl who gets naked and rubs lotion over her breasts to reveal a message
- Nicer locations
- A crossbow versus gun duel
Belly of the Beast wins hands down.
ORANGATUANG
Wildfire
Mmmm let me think about this which do i prefer Tarrantino or Seagal?....Lets just say
Tarrantino knocks..Were Seagal rocks...My answer is steven of course.Heather.
Tarrantino knocks..Were Seagal rocks...My answer is steven of course.Heather.
Zagon
Zagon
yes.lee nicholson said:
i havent even read the rest of this thread, but given what i've seen in others, i can only imagine the amount of head nodding going on....which is sad.
Quentin Tarantino does not try to be anything (unlike seagal who thinks he was cia - ok, guy). If the media is all over him, that's not his fault. it happens with good (QT) directors/movies/actors as well as bad (vin diesel, for example). That has no bearing on whether his movies kick major ass, which they do. Pulp Fiction was one of the better flicks of the 90s. Reservoir Dogs is a modern classic.
Seagal wishes he had a movie as well written, innovative, risk-taking, original and grossing as Tarantino.
Zagon
Zagon
lee nicholson said:
no....
"marketed as" is the key phrase here. Steven Seagal has never made a true martial arts movie (sorry - i know this will probably piss people off, but all of Seagal's movies are action movies with some aikido thrown in - the practice of which i havent even seen since the 1st 4), and Kill Bill from the beginning has been understood as QT's homage to a genre of films he grew up with and appreciates.
I dont understand why you are trying to compare the 2.
Zagon
Zagon
steve said:
you need to see more martial arts movies, my friend. Wo Ping Yuen is one the hottest martial arts directors/choreographers working....
i understand this is a seagal forum, but c'mon people, grow up just a little. Everything he touches does not turn to gold, and there are plenty of others out there doing their own thing that rock just as hard, if not harder....
http://www.ifilm.com/bigpicture/killbill
you can find too many things about Kill Bill !!
May be you will be interested it !!
in onenesss
you can find too many things about Kill Bill !!
May be you will be interested it !!
in onenesss
RichieMadano
Out For Justice Fan
Zagon said:
I agree 100%. People on this forum should realise that they are not disrespecting Steven in any way by liking another film which he was not involved in over one of his. Steven is an intelligent and deep man who would not want to be followed around by a load of "yes men" who tell him his work is brilliant even when it isn't. I suspect he has a whole army of sycophants following him around, which might explain why The Foreigner and OFAK sucked so badly. If he ever reads this forum (which we would all love to think he does) I suspect he might feel a bit sickened by some of the sycophants.
Tarrantino has only made a handful of movies compared to Seagal, and none of them has been really awful, although I don't personally regard any of them as a masterpiece. Kill Bill has some great martial arts, some of the best to come out of a US made film, but not a patch on some of the great stuff to come out of Asia. Seagal's films are action films with martial arts in, and not martial arts films themselves, so I don't think you can really make a comparison between KB and any of Steven's work.
Martial Arts
I've seen hundreds of martial arts movies Zagon and I know what good choreography looks like, I grew up on kung-fu movies. I'm fully aware of who Wo Ping Yuen is but I don't see his choreography as any more spectacular or decent than any of the others out there who can do a much better job, certainly the wire-fu stuff he's spattered many of his fights with make them stray from the true choreographing of real fights, they become special effects when I'd much rather see people fighting without needing to fly through the air on cables. He may be 'hot' as you put it but so are actors like Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett and they're both crap. As for Seagal's movies not being martial arts movies even though The Master himself doesn't consider them to be I'd say they're much closer to martial arts movies than your standard action film, certainly Nico, Hard to Kill and Out For Justice where Aikido is at the fore in almost every fight scene are martial arts movies. Just because they don't have people flying their legs around in the air
and saying "Wooo-oooo-aaaa" after every move doesn't make them any less a martial arts movie, aikido had very rarely being used in movies before Seagal came to down and because some people see it as a less spectacular standard (it is by the very nature of the fact people who use it aren't seeking to show-off more rather get themselves out of dagerous situations by defending themselves) they don't consider his movies martial arts films when they are. I don't kiss Seagal's ass as much as you think though I think he's an excellent action star and is keeping the dream of 80's/90's action films alive unlike all the other who seem to have disappeared. If his films are up to scratch I won't drool over them anyway - Ticker, Out For a Kill and The Foreigner were all sub-par but these were the fault of bad directing and editing anyway. I like Tarantino but I think he was much better directing low-budget indie films rather than big-budget kung-fu. I agree with Lee in that Pulp Fiction is very over-rated and not nearly the masterpiece it's felt to be by many people, by the time Jackie Brown came out I think he had very much ran out of steam. I like Seagal's movies over them because they're so much more fun and regardless of anyone who falls over themselves to love Tarantino I'd take a Seagal movie over Tarantino's entire filmography any day of the week.
i understand this is a seagal forum, but c'mon people, grow up just a little. Everything he touches does not turn to gold, and there are plenty of others out there doing their own thing that rock just as hard, if not harder....
I've seen hundreds of martial arts movies Zagon and I know what good choreography looks like, I grew up on kung-fu movies. I'm fully aware of who Wo Ping Yuen is but I don't see his choreography as any more spectacular or decent than any of the others out there who can do a much better job, certainly the wire-fu stuff he's spattered many of his fights with make them stray from the true choreographing of real fights, they become special effects when I'd much rather see people fighting without needing to fly through the air on cables. He may be 'hot' as you put it but so are actors like Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett and they're both crap. As for Seagal's movies not being martial arts movies even though The Master himself doesn't consider them to be I'd say they're much closer to martial arts movies than your standard action film, certainly Nico, Hard to Kill and Out For Justice where Aikido is at the fore in almost every fight scene are martial arts movies. Just because they don't have people flying their legs around in the air
and saying "Wooo-oooo-aaaa" after every move doesn't make them any less a martial arts movie, aikido had very rarely being used in movies before Seagal came to down and because some people see it as a less spectacular standard (it is by the very nature of the fact people who use it aren't seeking to show-off more rather get themselves out of dagerous situations by defending themselves) they don't consider his movies martial arts films when they are. I don't kiss Seagal's ass as much as you think though I think he's an excellent action star and is keeping the dream of 80's/90's action films alive unlike all the other who seem to have disappeared. If his films are up to scratch I won't drool over them anyway - Ticker, Out For a Kill and The Foreigner were all sub-par but these were the fault of bad directing and editing anyway. I like Tarantino but I think he was much better directing low-budget indie films rather than big-budget kung-fu. I agree with Lee in that Pulp Fiction is very over-rated and not nearly the masterpiece it's felt to be by many people, by the time Jackie Brown came out I think he had very much ran out of steam. I like Seagal's movies over them because they're so much more fun and regardless of anyone who falls over themselves to love Tarantino I'd take a Seagal movie over Tarantino's entire filmography any day of the week.
i understand this is a seagal forum, but c'mon people, grow up just a little. Everything he touches does not turn to gold, and there are plenty of others out there doing their own thing that rock just as hard, if not harder....