The Keeper - Reviews

TheManInBlu

TheManInBlu

New Member
My money's on November as well. Dolph Lundgren's long awaited Command Performance comes out Nov. 3 so let's hope Seagal's The Keeper comes out the week after or two weeks after. All I hope is that it is distributed by Fox again and that they release it on Blu-ray!! November will be a month for action :)
 
DiDa

DiDa

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Staff member
It's strange that we still don't have a review by Vern. Most of the time he is the first one who gives us a detailed review. And most of the time he has already seen the movie long before the actual release.

Waiting......
 
Kotegashi

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
This isn't a review. He should be looking in the mirror when he's talking about making no effort.

peace
 
outforamovie

outforamovie

Member
i think when the media uses the term 'generic seagal adventure' they refer to the oldies from the 90's so its not necesserily a bad thing..i mean he did say it had car chases,explosions and Steven beating up people..
 
Tourmaline

Tourmaline

Crystal Scabbard
Very well said, Kotegashi. You're very right, it is no review at all and your reply was a clever one. I do get quite tired of hearing these frustrated armchair critcs who are like a broken record. The review was so poorly constructed and useless that I just read it and can't recall what I read. I personally don't pay attention to reviews. I will decide for myself.
 
Martin01

Martin01

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marky96;199160 said:
Well already things aren't looking good...only one review and it's a bad one.
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LOL I'm sorry but if you believe in this review you are really credulous - that "review" says absolutely nothing, it's only written by a Seagal hater who don't understand to differentiate and can't compare a 30 million Under Siege -movie with a 10 million B-Movie.

I will try to be objective when I will write a review after watching this movie - but already the things ARE looking good.
 
marky96

marky96

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Martin01;199164 said:
LOL I'm sorry but if you believe in this review you are really credulous - that "review" says absolutely nothing, it's only written by a Seagal hater who don't understand to differentiate and can't compare a 30 million Under Siege -movie with a 10 million B-Movie.

I will try to be objective when I will write a review after watching this movie - but already the things ARE looking good.
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I think this review was an excellent one. It may say little about the film, but it also states the reason why it says nothing, with the reviewer stating 'if he’s not going to put any effort into making them, I’m not going to put much into writing about them.' Personally I think that this is a perfectly justified reason for not putting effort in.
Although recent Seagal pictures such as Urban Justice (2007), Pistol Whipped (2008) and even Driven to Kill (2009) have shown Seagal putting more effort into his performances, this has not always been the case. Films like Attack Force (2006), The Foreigner and Out for a Kill (both 2003) show Seagal at his worst with distant, bored, lazy and uninterested performances. Although it is is easy to lay the failure of these films at the hands of the producers (particularly in the case of Attack Force, for example), Seagal's lazy performances only make a bad situation worse. After all this is a man who has charisma, or at least he did have in his heyday. If he were still putting some effort into some of these DTV productions then it might make some of them half way watchable, rather than something you watch half drunk with friends in order to get some cheap laughs.
I also think your other point is just plain wrong. Why should the reviewer not compare Under Siege (1992) with one of Seagal's recent efforts? As fans we cut him slack and don't compare films from his glory years with the films he has made over nearly a decade in DTV hell. But why should a non fan have to do that? In fact why should we have to do it? Aren't we just making excuses for his laziness and apathy? After all if a non fan or film reviewer watched Under Siege on TV one week and then saw a new Seagal film at the video store the next week they would be sorely disappointed with what they saw. And they have every right to be because they have every right to make the comparison. There are many other stars and action heroes who have made consistently good films over time, never disappointing their loyal fan base. It is a real shame that Seagal has not been one of these more consistent stars and has instead often disappointed his fan base.
I am also objective while writing my reviews after watching the film. I think projects such as Machete (2010) and Steven Seagal: Lawman (2009) are a positive move forward however based on this review, already things most definitely ARE NOT looking good.
 
slawek_wozniak

slawek_wozniak

Member
"Out for a Kill (both 2003) show Seagal at his worst with distant, bored, lazy and uninterested performances." Out for a Kill was a fantastic movie, I watched it a houndred times and like it even more...
 
Martin01

Martin01

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@Marky96: You will not rob my anticipation. The trailer was good and looks clearly better than the one from Driven to Kill, and DTK still was entertaining.
 
Kotegashi

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
Marky,

Although I can follow your arguments I disagree with the review beeing excellent.

From everything we have seen, heard or read about The Keeper it looks like Seagal has put in an effort. Also his recent adventures (PW, UJ, DTK) are proof of Seagal stepping up to the plate and take his responsibillity for a better movie.

With this in mind, and the fact there still hasn't been a review copy available for anyone yet, you have to admit that this critic has done to his article what he accuses Seagal of doing.

So perhaps we should not let ourselves get wound up by reviews at this point and wait until several of us have seen more material. If more extensive and in-depth reviews appear and they are also on the negative side, then worry. But for now it's only one "review".

Peace

marky96;199169 said:
I think this review was an excellent one. It may say little about the film, but it also states the reason why it says nothing, with the reviewer stating 'if he’s not going to put any effort into making them, I’m not going to put much into writing about them.' Personally I think that this is a perfectly justified reason for not putting effort in.
Although recent Seagal pictures such as Urban Justice (2007), Pistol Whipped (2008) and even Driven to Kill (2009) have shown Seagal putting more effort into his performances, this has not always been the case. Films like Attack Force (2006), The Foreigner and Out for a Kill (both 2003) show Seagal at his worst with distant, bored, lazy and uninterested performances. Although it is is easy to lay the failure of these films at the hands of the producers (particularly in the case of Attack Force, for example), Seagal's lazy performances only make a bad situation worse. After all this is a man who has charisma, or at least he did have in his heyday. If he were still putting some effort into some of these DTV productions then it might make some of them half way watchable, rather than something you watch half drunk with friends in order to get some cheap laughs.
I also think your other point is just plain wrong. Why should the reviewer not compare Under Siege (1992) with one of Seagal's recent efforts? As fans we cut him slack and don't compare films from his glory years with the films he has made over nearly a decade in DTV hell. But why should a non fan have to do that? In fact why should we have to do it? Aren't we just making excuses for his laziness and apathy? After all if a non fan or film reviewer watched Under Siege on TV one week and then saw a new Seagal film at the video store the next week they would be sorely disappointed with what they saw. And they have every right to be because they have every right to make the comparison. There are many other stars and action heroes who have made consistently good films over time, never disappointing their loyal fan base. It is a real shame that Seagal has not been one of these more consistent stars and has instead often disappointed his fan base.
I am also objective while writing my reviews after watching the film. I think projects such as Machete (2010) and Steven Seagal: Lawman (2009) are a positive move forward however based on this review, already things most definitely ARE NOT looking good.
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DiDa

DiDa

Super Moderator
Staff member
I know that Kotegeshi. It seems from the trailer that Seagal is putting in some effort. But from a trailer you can't say that the movie will be good. We have seen this before with other Seagal movies. So unfortunately the "reviewer" could be right.

We have to see it by ourselves....

Bur I'm excited about The Keeper.
 
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