Tradition vs. Reality!

Littledragon

Above The Law
Let me put this in a avery general and simple way.

Do you think traditional martial art styles are really effective on the street?

Voice your opinions here.

Enjoy! ;)
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
Depends on the martial art I would think. We are certainly not in a sword wielding Samurai society, so to speak, but those techniques most certainly could be applied today, you just have to adapt them to current situations.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
tenshinaikidoka said:
Depends on the martial art I would think. We are certainly not in a sword wielding Samurai society, so to speak, but those techniques most certainly could be applied today, you just have to adapt them to current situations.


How can one adapt if the art is one dimentional??

Just a thought..
 

Bushido

New Member
littledragon869 said:
How can one adapt if the art is one dimentional??

Just a thought..

What? Like using a gun? Sword movements are VERY three dimentional. Also if you know how to use a sword and take a sword from someone that understanding transfers to other things VERY well. You've seen Seagal take shotguns and the such. Go watch Hard to Kill or On Deadly Ground. You know what made me first like Seagal's movies? He does real martial arts in them, or at least he did, that's not the trend in his most resent stuff. I think Seagal older movies give a very good idea on how a traditional martial art works in a real world situation.
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
Please explain to me what is one dimensional???? That confuses me, because Aikido movement is based on sword techniques.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Bushido said:
What? Like using a gun? Sword movements are VERY three dimentional. Also if you know how to use a sword and take a sword from someone that understanding transfers to other things VERY well. You've seen Seagal take shotguns and the such. Go watch Hard to Kill or On Deadly Ground. You know what made me first like Seagal's movies? He does real martial arts in them, or at least he did, that's not the trend in his most resent stuff. I think Seagal older movies give a very good idea on how a traditional martial art works in a real world situation.


But remember that was all just choreographed. ;)
 

Bushido

New Member
just remember that "The Path Beyond Thought" is not. Also those videos are SO choreographed that's why people have ended up going to the Hospitle filming those seens.
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Bushido said:
just remember that "The Path Beyond Thought" is not. Also those videos are SO choreographed that's why people have ended up going to the Hospitle filming those seens.



Ye I can't wait to see it.
 

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
LOL@Amos...

LittleDragon he's answering your question.

LD>
Do you think traditional martial art styles are really effective on the street?


littledragon869 said:
What you mean??
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
That's the whole point!!! (in North America at least for most of the part)

That's how martial arts are advertised here. The study will enable you to defend yourself from threatenning attackers on the street. Do you think parents sing their kids up to take up martial arts just so it would be another day for them to communicate with the spirits or something? Martial arts are not all about fighting, but that's not the main reason why people here are taking classes. Various martial arts were invented just for such reasons ... to be able to defend oneself in a hostile situation. The things that have changed are that instead of swords, you've got guns ... yet if you think about it, a knife is a very short sword (but requires modified techniques of using it).

Originally, Judo was taken as a serious martial art. Today, however it is taken as a sport (much like Sambo, although combat Sambo exists for military and police training ... that's real life for you buddy).

It all depends in the application of the art. Certainly they all work in 'street' situations. It just depends how knowledgeble one is at applying their learned skills, or proves if not enough training has been completed.

Here's one martial art that's widely popular ... and made especially for diffusing threats:

Krav Maga is the official hand to hand combat system of the Israeli Military, Police Force, and other law enforcement departments across the world. Created by Imi Lichtenfeld, Chief Instructor of Hand to Hand Combat for the Israeli Military, in the 1940's when the Israeli Government asked him to create a combat system for their military, Krav Maga is Hebrew for "Contact Combat".

Krav Maga is a modern system, based on scientific principles, logic, and practical techniques based upon the simple movements of the body. The system's goal is to teach student's combat efficiency in a relatively short period of time. To make the learning process a little more effective, the instructor's have broken down Krav Maga instruction into two parts.

The first part is Self Defense. This means that the student is taught to defend against a hostile action, covering almost every conceivable angle of attack, as well as defending against multiple assailants and armed opponent's.

The second part is Hand to Hand Combat. Taking the lessons of the first part, the instructors extend training to tactics, psychological dimensions of combat, and the advantageous use of terrain.

What sets Krav Maga apart from other martial art systems is the preparation training. The student is often placed in secondary, vulnerable position and is then expected to use his skill to neutralize the threat. Multiple assailants, armed assailant's, ambushes are all included in "Real time" training, or full force, full speed training.

Through the new fad of "Reality Based Training", Krav Maga has proven itself as one of the most effective, established combat systems available to the general public.

Strong enough to weather the storm and provide a new generation with an efficient combat system.
 

Bushido

New Member
"What sets Krav Maga apart from other martial art systems is the preparation training. The student is often placed in secondary, vulnerable position and is then expected to use his skill to neutralize the threat. Multiple assailants, armed assailant's, ambushes are all included in "Real time" training, or full force, full speed training."

I've trained that way in my studies of Aikido.
 

Gary Gabelhouse

New Member
Traditional Arts: Street Worthy?

Hello All,

I teach Daitoryu Aikijujutsu which is DEFINITELY a traditional art--and a true koryu. That said, I teach Daitoryu to Police, SWAT and prison guards locally, as well as doing seminars for the FBI equivalent of SWAT. I have received numerous reports of how Daitoryu works on the street. A group of local officers are Bicycle Cops with the worst shift--downtown, 10:00 PM -- 6:00 AM. These guys are in very difficult situations on a weekly basis. I was truly amazed at how many bad guys DO NOT want to be arrested and are bent on assaulting officers.

Anyway, traditional Daitoryu works great on the street for my students who are in law enforcement. Also, I have been involved in 3 street situations since practicing asian martial arts--one an assault by three armed punks. In all cases, I used traditional Daitoryu and always prevailed. In all cases all parties were eventually arrested by officers AFTER they were under control (or choked out).

Best Regards,
Gary Gabelhouse
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
littledragon869 said:
Oh ok LOL.


Some styles can be effective but some that are tradititional are not.

It all depends on the man though not the style, the style just gives more advatnge to the man. I would not use Animal Kung-Fu on the street, I would just kick the legs and get my opponent to the ground and choke him out or break his arm.
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
How do you know kung fu is not effective littledragon unless you have trained extensivly in it. There is more to a MAs effectiveness than techniques alone. The way one trains prepares you and teach you about your body in a combat context. That is usually what makes you survive an assault, not techniqes itself.

/J
 

Littledragon

Above The Law
Aikilove said:
How do you know kung fu is not effective littledragon unless you have trained extensivly in it. There is more to a MAs effectiveness than techniques alone. The way one trains prepares you and teach you about your body in a combat context. That is usually what makes you survive an assault, not techniqes itself.

/J


All I am saying is some traditional martial arts are not that effective in a real hard core street situation do you really think you will try to be acting like a crocidle and be able to defend yourself sucesfully when the guy is running at you swinging?
 

ORANGATUANG

Wildfire
Ok..I heard that if you are confronted by some one who intent on harming you in some way and you know martial arts you have to warn them three times is that correct or just hogs-wollow(bull)...
 
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