Why Out For a Kill is so bad

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steve

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I'm sat watching Out For a Kill as we speak and Steven is so much better than this film, the director and editors really made a mess of what could have been a great bone-crushing epic. Here's just a few of the bits that make me cringe and yearn for Seagal making films with better directors like he did with Belly of the Beast:

- The film is all over the place, so much you get confused as to where you are and why
- Steven's voice is horribly dubbed by an imposter is many scenes
- Some sentences cut off mid-sentence - "I'd like to thank my loving wife Mia and my ment-- Professor Liu De San."
- Some bits including the above sentence are horrifyingly sync-ed
- The fight scene with the wire-fu is horrendous
- Red writing constantly bleeps across the screen every few minutes, and why do we need to know the time of every scene?
- The black guy in the prison is about to be established and then is abruptly cut out when he starts talking aout why he's there!
- The whole tattoo scene was daft and pointless
- Some of the dialogue ("Quiet like a mouse, then take he to the house") is horrific
- The titles, especially the Out For a Kill title itself, look as though they were made by a college student fooling around
- The Beetlejuice-esque models which open the film in the desert
- The entire plane scene with Seagal as pilot is just plain bad and doesn't serve any real purpose
- The lazy blue-screen background as the two cops look into the sky at the airport
- The re-using of Seagal's Chinese dialogue twice in the final scene
- Not enough American actors to make it feel like a real film (same problem with The Foreigner was too many ...well foreigners)
- Steven's terrible stunt double, he's particularly obvious in the fight before the showdown right after Steven gouge's the second guy's eyes
- One of the worst car chases ever, totally spoiled by Oblowitz' rapid fire cutting which cuts back to scenes which don't even have anything to do with the chase!
- Bad acting from most of the villains, especially the main one
- The horrible special effect when Seagal's house is blown up

I could go on, don't get me wrong I love the film anyway just because it's a Seagal film but it pains me to see a talented action hero like Seagal in a film so badly made. I for one pray the rumour he is making another with Oblowitz are untrue. Luckily Belly of the Beast was a definite step in the right direction, avoiding most of the above movie mistakes.

Steve :)
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Steve,I have to say I agree with you 100% on all your points.And the very fact that Seagal could even contemplate working with Oblowitz again gives me a chill.

Peace,
Leon
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
killed by out for a kill

I agree steve, and it seemed like Seagal was doing the scene shots straight out of bed; as if they woke him up and told him to say something. Maybe that's why he couldn't keep up his voice and mumbled all over the place. The dialogue with the father of the girl who was killed in the beginning was very thoughtful however. The bullet shot in the beginning was cool, and the sword fight with the monks was amazing; which makes me think that the movie was designed for Seagal, but the director was not. The story I also thought had a lot of potential, and yes those tattoo girls and all that European non-sense scenes were totally useless. The car chase wasn't great, but it just goes to show you that Seagal also knows how to drive (but I think that car, M-B C-class is too small for Seagal to show you his true abilities as in the Aston Martin of Half Past Dead ... lol). Out for a Kill was killed by the director and Seagal had to pick up the pieces by putting his name on the cover.
 

steve

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Out for a Kill

Thanks Leon, glad to hear I'm not alone. The chills of another Oblowitz collaboration are shared by myself too rest assured! I hear Steven and him are however good pals which is perhaps unfortunate as it could mean the nightmare will come true.
 

jhogan

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Out For A Kill was one of the worst movies I have ever seen, and definitely the worst of Seagal's. But have to say, Belly was his best STRAIGHT to VIDEO (which still isn't saying much, compared to his earlier theatrical releases).

Someone else dubbing his voice in ALL his video releases just shows how little he cares for the movie and his fans. Yes, he may be busy doing another movie, as it appears, but you can still dub. And the stunt man - Seagal needs to start doing his own fights again - this was the only thing that made his movies different and worth watching; certainly it isn't his acting.

(...... and waiting for the defensive comments / attacks from the passionate fans here...tick, tick, tick.....)
 

steve

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Very true Yudansha, in all fairness there were a few good points, but they were few and far between: the sword-fight with the monks was a great scene and an example of how good the film could have been had the rest of it been up to scratch. I love the sound of the swords which sound as if they're gliding against metal even when they weren't touching anything! The part where he flicks the sword up into his hand was cool as was the bit where he fends one guy off with a pair of sticks. I don't mind the restaurant scene shortly after it even though it feels like a claustrophobic sound-stage, probably mainly because it has Seagal's long overdue return to arm-snapping in it. I also must confess I very much liked Michelle Goh who was scrumptious as the female cop and could be an excellent addition to, well, a better-made film. She should have picked Belly of the Beast instead. You're very right about the small car, he has to duck down almost before getting out of it it's so small! Someone has also informed me that when Seagal says the Chinese for "As*hole" at the end he's actually simply saying "Hello" but the editors typed in the alternative regardless.
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
child's play

when they started introducing that so called 'mafia' at the round table, i didn't know what to do - i was too embarassed for Seagal but my soul was laughing out of rage towards the director

i think they could have gone to any high school drama class, dressed the kids to look like adults, added some make up ... actually forget all that ... just go to anywhere, pick the first 10 kids and tell them to say the lines: this would save a lot of money, frustration, get SS to interact with children making him happy to act and make the movie better (but it wouldn't work if the children got scared of that very large man)

but even if Seagal is friends with Oblowitz, friends should be honest, and I don't think Seagal is too afraid to say anything (maybe just wants to spare the feelings of a friend)
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
seagal and his asian women...

yep, that Michelle Goh ... the only other good addition to the movie along with Seagal (I didn't really care for her bad pronunciation and I think Seagal didn't care either, as he did the same - maybe to support his fellow co-worker, or maybe ...)
 
Everything everybody said is 100 percent correct, but the thing that really bothers me is Nu Image, the backers of OFAK and Belly. They don't seem to care who directs the movie and what it turns out like. Example being the above movies. OFAK looked like amateur hour while Belly looked like an Academy Award winning epic by comparison.

When are Nu Image gonna start carefully selecting directors instead of picking whoever puts their hand up first?
 

steve

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Out For a Kill

It was just a sorry state of affairs indeed. If Michele Goh had bared all maybe that would have boosted the plus-points a little. The continuous scenes retruning to the bad guys' table was like a pantomime more than anything, especially when they kept vanishing and the chief villain was eventually left talking to himself (admittedly his line during that scene did put a smile on my face the first time I watched). I've heard that the computerised sound effect that accompanies the red writing at the start of each scene is actually heard in one scene where there isn't even any writing - does anyone know which part of the film this is? If anyone knows feel free to let me know and I can add it to the list!
 

steve

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Nu Image

Nu Image have never been the bringer of good films, Rutger Hauer used to make good films before they got their hands on him. Sadly one of Steven's upcoming films, I think it may be Out of Reach, is also made by them. One more point about Out For a Kill is that it looks nowhere near its 20 million budget - did Oblowitz spend 10 million and pocket the surplus or something? I heard they actually ran out of money making the film which is why it's so bad in places but how can a film for 20 million exceed this amount and end up looking as if it was made for pennies?
 

TDWoj

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Take a look at the credits at the end of the film, and you'll see what happened to the money. Looks like half of the citizens of Bulgaria worked on the film, not to mention the sheer weight (no pun intended) in numbers of the people who were Steven Seagal's this, that and the other (whose paycheques would come out of the film's budget, not his own pocket). And those special effects! Heck, for $8,000 you can get the "home" version of Maia, which would do a better job than the crayon drawings they used in the film. (And the "professional" version is only $30,000!)

For me, it was not only how badly the story was told, but the dialogue. I've never seen a movie where nearly every line was cringe-worthy. It wasn't even real dialogue - it was as if the writer couldn't think of anything original to write so he just pulled every single cliche he could think of and plunked it in as a line of dialogue. Oh, ye gods... it was positively painful, from my point of view as a writer/editor.

It's awful to think that Steven will be pairing up with Oblowitz again. I know I'm in the minority when it comes to liking The Foreigner, but even I admit that it could have been a much better film in the hands of a real director. To think they're going to have a third outing together hardly bears thinking about.

The swordfight scene is the only scene in Out for a Kill that I can watch without pain (mostly). And no, it wasn't worth buying the DVD just for that.

-TD, who notes she's the only girl joining in the discussion at this point, but then, she's not "one of the girls" when it comes to critting Steven's films - or anything else, for that matter
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
The movie did have some problems, but imho...
Steven was not the cause of these problems...
I still found it very entertaining, and didn't even notice half
the things mentioned until they were mentioned...:rolleyes:
As I see it most things that were lacking (according to everyone's comments)
had nothing to do with Steven and his performance...
Again, I just wanted some entertainment and as always, I got it...:)
I thought it showed some of the asian influence that has shaped him so much,
and I thought he was charming and that he was very sweet in it...
I was surprised to see him writing in chinese, I did see that, didn't I?
And I thought he spoke it so well....
He always speaks foreign languages so perfectly...
And, I thought the plane scene was tooooo funny!
He's soo charming and sweet, and funny...
I thought he was very handsome and very dignified in this film as well, and thought that the role of professor was one that suited him very well...
I also liked the name, Robert Burns, maybe he was the namesake of the well known (though not by me) poet? :)
OMG, he was totally awesome in the swordfight, and again, always does such awesome kicks...
However, I do agree the tattoo stuff was silly, and uhhh, for lack of a better word, slutty...
And the chinese guys were very poor and boring actors...
I am sure Steven was bored to bits with the whole thing at times...
One must be pretty inspired to want to do something, believe me I know...
Steven is not your average man, he's smart, he needs a challenge...
I have thought that maybe his asthma is worsening, could that be why they are dubbing the scenes?
Maybe sometimes it is his voice, I can't tell really...
Like someone said, maybe just a few octaves lower...
Best not to speculate there, but I wonder...
BTW, did anyone notice that the guy who was just in BOTB (Jantapan) was also in OFAK?
This was more like a foreign film, but personally, I liked the film, and I completely adore that man...:)
 

TDWoj

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Well, but one of the things I noticed particularly in the film is how poor Steven's performance is. He really did look like he was sleepwalking through most of it. His interest wasn't engaged at all, and no bloody wonder, this was a horribly written, horribly directed film. But he didn't even try to put in a good performance, himself, so he is not excused from contributing to the awfulness of the film.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Poor Steven...
It wasn't his fault really, maybe things just didn't go that well...
How do you expect him to work miracles if they give him nothing to work with?
I am sure he made a good effort, maybe he just didn't feel good, maybe that is why he looked sluggish to you...
I thought it was entertaining, all of his films are very worthy in my mind...
 

suziwong

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Out for a kill not a bad but wasn't Seagal movie.
We learned again Oblowitz is a bad director after the Albert Pyun. It was a bad chance for this movie (but Seagal likes him I don't understand why ??). May be Seagal not a bad but not a fast. Almost He is not a Steven Seagal.
I am agree with you TD !!
"He really did look like he was sleepwalking through most of it" Yes he was.
I didn't like Seagal's hair from the neck !!! His hair was too bad !! TOO BAD !! It was very ugly.
Yes he speaks foreign languages but not necessary in this movie I believe.
I am sorry Lotus but this is reality. :(
Barber shop scene was nonsense. This is not a "Matrix" !!
Swordfight scene was not bad. But not enough for this movie.
finally Out For A Kill was a cheap movie. Bad director, bad effects, bad dialogs.. etc. !!
But in spite of this I like Steven Seagal and I enjoy to see him.

in onenesss
 

RichieMadano

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I'm really glad to hear I'm not the only one who thought this movie was bad. I've only been a member of this forum a week or so, but already I have noticed that there are a couple of people who are so blinded by their love and respect for Steven, that they can't see when his films are rubbish. Steven is by far my favourite action star but I want to see him make better films. If he makes rubbish and fans tell him that his films are still great , there will be no incentive for him to make better choices in terms of scripts and directors. I hope that he hit rock bottom with OFAK and The Foreigner; Belly of the Beast was such a massive improvement. Although most of the blame for OFAK should go to Oblowitz, Steven should never have worked with him again after The Foreigner. As a major star and producer, Steven has a lot of power over the movies he is in and should make better choices.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Suziiiiiiiiiiii, Steven's hair is never ugly!
I didn't find his hair ugly in OFAK at all.
I thought one shot in BOTB it looked a bit bad and that was the beginning taxi scene, the back was a bit messy, but NEVER ugly, he is soooooooo beautiful, and for many reasons!
What a man, I am never dissapointed in him, he is my true love. :)
YOU HOPE HE HIT ROCK BOTTOM?
What a thing to say.
With fans like that who needs enemies?
Call me blind, I don't care, maybe love is blind, so there we have it.
I wish him success more than anyone.
And I have confidence in his choices, I also respect his work more than anyone.
I could tell you that I think you aren't seeing what he is offering, it always been that way for him.
But I see it, and I think it's those things that make his movies great.
Maybe I am seeing what he is intending on people seeing and some of you just don't get it.
Oh well.
Everyone has different tastes, and different views.
 

suziwong

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Dearest Lotus,

I never said Steven is/was ugly !! Steven is very handsome, amazing and beautiful big guy. He is really extraordinary man. But Steven's hair was bad from the neck in Out For A Kill. I said his hair was bad in this movie. Oh dear, I am not enemy and you know this. I love Steven so much. I am one of his loyal and biggest fan. I want to see him wonderful !! May be this is not his fault may be hair dresser did like this. Steven is very wise man and changed his hair in "Belly". I am his loyal fun and I can say what is his wrong. If I can not do this how can I protect him his enemies ?? This is not bad critics this is reality.
Believe me I love him so much. Please think a little.
in onenesss
 

steve

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Rock bottom

I don't think hoping he hit rock bottom was meant an insult to The Master, it was just hoping his films to follow are much, much better compared to Out For a Kill and I hope they are too. Belly of the Beast was much better and as long as his future films are as good as this one at least I'll be happy :)
 
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