Recently seen - The Foreigner

TDWoj

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Well, I'm going through all of my recent purchases from B&N of Steven's films. I tried getting some discussion on Half Past Dead going but it died early - and stayed dead!

Anyhow, I just saw The Foreigner tonight.

I really, really liked this film, but then, I'm a sucker for political intrigue, and I didn't have any problems following who was pulling what strings when, although the ending did catch me by surprise.

Did this film have a North American cinema release, or did it go straight to video? If so, I think that was a shame.

Someone commented that Steven's voice was dubbed. I don't agree. He did dispense with his "southern" accent and pitched his voice a couple of tones lower throughout most of the film, but I don't think his voice was dubbed.

He also seemed to me to be very relaxed, and a lot of his little speech 'tics' - such as, sticking in "you know" about two or three times per sentence - were absent. In other words, he was acting - he was not just being Steven Seagal in this film. His delivery was also very clean. And, I think this is as close as he's ever come to playing a bad guy (a bad good guy, maybe?).

He's still being coy about his weight - never took his coat off once in the film! Come on, Steven - get over it, already.

The train station "blow-up" I agree was a bit silly - if the bomb went off in the bathroom, how come ALL the windows in the station had fire coming out of them?

I'd rate this a 4/5.
 
Straight to DVD dammit! it was better than HPD!
lol yea awesome film, lol you said it more elegently than i would have lol.
:yin:
:peace:
 

Amos Stevens

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Tdwoj

Don't take it personal about the convo not taking off-after the same movie has been discussed over & over,people can get tired of it.
I like your voting system..want to replace the movie critics?
 

TDWoj

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Thanks, 'Fox! Yes, I quite liked it, and I'm going to watch it again this evening. Unlike HPD, I won't be skipping over the non-Steven scenes, because the story itself is very good and gripping.

I'm jealous of Steven on account of this picture, actually; I've never been to Poland myself (my background is Polish, although I don't speak the language any more) and I've always wanted to go (with my father, who is 89 years old and would like to go back once before he dies - he's been in Canada since 1947 - but neither of us have enough money to do this.)

I wonder if I could persuade the local rep theatre to do a Steven Seagal series... I mean, an actual film print of this movie must exist somewhere, mustn't it? Was it released in theatres in Europe?
 
well if you drive down to the states its cheaper to fly.
part of my background is Ukraine! Your ancestors tried to sack mine! WAR!!!!! lol:mad4:
 

TDWoj

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Ha! You're a honk? Gonna getcha for sure, now! LOL

I wouldn't go without my father, and I don't think he's up to the extra mileage vis-a-vis driving to the States for cheaper tickets. We'd have to go first class, anyway, because he likes to be comfortable. Ah, well. Maybe I'll win the lottery this week (as if....).
 

TDWoj

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Originally posted by Amos Stevens
Tdwoj

Don't take it personal about the convo not taking off-after the same movie has been discussed over & over,people can get tired of it.
I like your voting system..want to replace the movie critics?

LOL! Well, I can be as critical as the movie critics, but then, I don't have an axe to grind, and I consider the film(s) on its(their) own merits, rather than comparing them to a gamillion other films I've seen before.

I realize I'm 'way behind in viewing, compared to you lot who've been around a lot longer than I have in the Steven Seagal world. Heck, I still haven't seen Hard to Kill, although it's sitting on my desk waiting to be seen, along with Fire Down Below. (Next batch ordered includes Out for Justice, Ticker and Executive Decision, and I think that's it until Out for a Kill is released.)

I am finding something interesting, though: some time in that three year hiatus between The Patriot and Exit Wounds, Steven did actually learn to act, and, myself, I think his performances after 2000 are much better than his performances prior to 2000. (TD ducks as shots are fired over her head.) Not that I don't enjoy early Seagal; I do, immensely. I just noticed there's a difference in his performance.

Still, as I see each film, I'll post my thoughts and if generates any discussion, that's all to the good, and if it doesn't, then I shall sink slowly out of sight without a murmur.

It's not easy, being objective....
 

Disciple

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I actually think Seagal's finest acting was in his debut, Above the Law. That's the film that should be shown to people when they say he's not charismatic or his "acting is wooden". When he tries, he can carry an action flick as good, if not better than, the likes of Mel Gibson, Bruce Willis etc. He just doesn't have the everyman quality that some of those guys have.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
He is a good actor...My dad agrees with me, and he's not satisfied with every movie he sees...Anyone would notice Steven's abilities if they weren't so jealous of him...
 

tora

Funmaker
I'm getting to know interesting things about you folks.Xeo,Ukrainian roots?Cool,getting hotter!
TD,if you're so well oriented in the political intrigues could you shed some light on my understanding of the Foreigner plot.I'm still pretty much confused.
 
lol :eek: Tora....
Perogies I can cook too!

Hey can you enlighten me about Estonia, not much is heard about your country in the rest of the world.

And The Foriegner is if I canremember correctly, about how corrupt the Amerikan CIA is and the countries who're alied with them? Something like that...lol TD's memory is probably better, and she's a woman so naturally smarter :eek:
 

TDWoj

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Originally posted by Sleeping Fox
And The Foriegner is if I canremember correctly, about how corrupt the Amerikan CIA is and the countries who're alied with them? Something like that...lol TD's memory is probably better, and she's a woman so naturally smarter :eek:

LOL, thanks, Fox! Although I think it's just a lucky (or unlucky, depending on one's point of view) arrangement of genes in my case!

I'm working on a synopsis right now, will be back shortly to post it!
 

tora

Funmaker
Xeo,Estonia is a small country and up until recently used to be included in the Soviet Union.And I'm Russian among all those unhappy ones who are currently under the Estonian repressions.I could tell you more about Estonia via email if you don't mind.
 

TDWoj

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Well, here's my take on The Foreigner plot.

First of all, it helps if you keep a few things in mind. One of them is Xeo's interpretation about the CIA and how corrupt it is and how it corrupts others (thanks, Xeo!) - but that's sort of the "big picture" - it's a given that the CIA is a dirty bunch. Another thing to remember might be my interpretation: "Truth is a commodity afforded only by those who are willing to pay the highest price."

It also helps to keep in mind the paradox: "Everything I tell you is a lie".

Okay, now for the players. Jared Olyphant, CIA, also an associate of the (late) ambassador to Poland, Jackson Cole. Alexander Marquet - well, we're not quite sure what he is, so I've tagged him as an "information broker". Marquet's pet "specialist" is Dunois. You also have to remember what Dunois says at the very beginning of the film - "My assignment is to eliminate any source of knowledge." Jerome Van Aken, German industrialist, and his wife Meredith. And, of course, Jonathon Cold, ex-CIA agent and now agent-for hire.

Various other minor players - Mr. Mimms, Richard, the Danes, Jon's brother Sean - we'll deal with them as they come up.

The plot's actually very simple. We have the CIA complicit with a German industrialist who is manufacturing biochemical weapons. The head engineer of the manufacturing plants decides to expose the operation, but is stopped when the plane he's on is destroyed in mid-air by what is reported as a terrorist attack.

The "package" is the black box of the plane that went down somewhere between Germany and Greece with the biochemical engineer on it. By itself, it's not enough to point the finger at the CIA as the source of the missile that destroyed the plane - but also included in the package are photographs showing Olyphant scooping up the flight recorder, and keys to a house owned by the engineer, where more evidence is stored.

The evidence is damning; both Van Aken (the industrialist) and the CIA (Jared Olyphant) want this destroyed. However, there is someone else interested in the evidence, and that is Meredith Van Aken. She wants the evidence, not to expose her husband's operations to the world, but as insurance, so that she can get away from him with their daughter.

Dunois is actually working for *her* all the way throughout the film - making him a triple agent - actually working for Meredith, he also seems to be working for both Marquet and Van Aken.

Remember his words - his "job" is to eliminate any source of knowledge.

Enter Jonathon Cold. What do we know about him? His (late) father was the ambassador to Poland, and who also had Olyphant as an associate (there's some question as to whether Jackson Cold died of natural causes or not. Just because Olyphant says he did makes one immediately think that maybe he didn't.) Jon also has some evidence about some misdeed of Olyphant's from the past that caused Olyphant to take the opportunity, when it presented itself, to let Cold rot in a Soviet prison.

Cold, as an ex-CIA agent, is now an agent for hire, working for Marquet. He's also a conspiracy theorist, which does seem to cloud his judgement somewhat, and he also is susceptible, unfortunately, to helping the (apparently) helpless. He also seems to have "ethics" although they don't include being worried about how many people he has to kill in order to achieve his objective.

Once Olyphant finds out that Cold is the one Marquet hires to deliver the package, he realizes his association with Van Aken could be exposed. He knows Cold won't just deliver the package - if he finds out what's in it, he (Cold) will use it to destroy the little biochem weapons empire Olyphant and Van Aken have built. So he sends Mr. Mimms (obviously an independent contractor, not CIA) to kill Cold. When that fails, he tries to use Jon's brother as bait, but that fails as well.

Dunois, meanwhile, is also trying to kill Cold and get the package for his employer. He fails in this endeavour, but that doesn't stop him from trying. He was the one behind the Danes' ambush in Versailles; Meredith was the one who called him to tell him where Cold was in the old building. Cold suspects Dunois was behind the Versailles debacle, but completely misses the obvious at the old building when he meets Meredith there, thinking that Dunois got there because Van Aken's phones were tapped.

Van Aken tries to convince Cold his wife is slightly nuts - here "bird with a broken wing" approach that seems to have worked very well on Cold, but Van Aken is such a rat ******* himself, Cold isn't buying it. (Van Aken, as it turns out, is right in his assessment of his wife.) Van Aken makes a call - to the Danes! - he knows where his wife is, and arranges to have her killed (and if Cold is there, that's all to the good, since he's seen what's in the package and is a threat to his security).

Dunois solves Meredith's problem by killing Van Aken.

Cold arrives in Norway, in time to save her from being killed by the Danes.

Back in Paris, Meredith is still using Cold as a protector, but she's still got her own agenda. She's seems lukewarm to the idea that evidence against her husband could still be collected. She arranges a disappearing act, and sends Dunois to kill Cold. Except Cold kills Dunois.

In the end, Cold realises he's been had. And what about the truth? All the evidence has been destroyed, and anyone who could be held accountable has been eliminated.

The thing to remember about The Foreigner is that while it looks like Olyphant and Marquet and Van Aken are in control, it's actually Meredith who's been pulling all the strings all along. Richard's line about "Deception begets deception begets deception" is actually very telling. (Oh, yeah, Cold was wrong about him - he thought Richard was Meredith's agent, when in fact he really was Van Aken's agent.)

Oh, a footnote: if you pause on the newspaper articles about the plane crash, read the articles - they're absolutely hilarious. One is about a gardening program on BBC2, the other is about badly brought up children. I mean, they didn't even *try* to write a news story about a plane crash.
 

GlimmerMan

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TD - where did you copy and paste all that from? Hahaha!

The Foreigner rules!

"You open that package and I will blow your two inch dick off!"
 

TDWoj

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You're welcome, all!

And no, Glimmer, I didn't copy and paste that from anywhere. I did it all my ownself.
 
Originally posted by tora
Xeo,Estonia is a small country and up until recently used to be included in the Soviet Union.And I'm Russian among all those unhappy ones who are currently under the Estonian repressions.I could tell you more about Estonia via email if you don't mind.

I'd love to but that might turn into an oxymoron, repressions? I hope genocide is not in that. My e-mail is in me profile Ithink
 
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