The Greatest Fighter Alive Today!
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Amos Stevens
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(As Amos enters waving a white flag)
We have members here that have been practicing Martial Arts of different types & for different amount of time...so there are different views & experiences-no way is it possible for all to agree.
But a standing rule in this forum is no member bashing/verbally!
We have members here that have been practicing Martial Arts of different types & for different amount of time...so there are different views & experiences-no way is it possible for all to agree.
But a standing rule in this forum is no member bashing/verbally!
yudansha
TheGreatOne
No bashing here ... (LOL other than verbally how else can we bash?)
"I just get this feeling that you guys are trying to elieve that traditional teachings is like a gospel for self defense. I question tradition vs. reality, all those moves you learn won't be apllied all those wrist grabs etc.. on the street its a NHB brawl."
You can question it all you want. What I question is whether you have witnessed a real brawl or have been a participent of some sort in one. I'm not talking about watching little girls in Grade1 pulling their hair in a frenzy, I mean guys with baseball bats coming at you like you were a baseball at a batting cage. And who was talking about learning martial arts from movies? Listen, if you are trying to do that, I suggest you find a different method of training, because all your talk about Gracies won't make you able to defend yourself when you really need it.
"I just get this feeling that you guys are trying to elieve that traditional teachings is like a gospel for self defense. I question tradition vs. reality, all those moves you learn won't be apllied all those wrist grabs etc.. on the street its a NHB brawl."
You can question it all you want. What I question is whether you have witnessed a real brawl or have been a participent of some sort in one. I'm not talking about watching little girls in Grade1 pulling their hair in a frenzy, I mean guys with baseball bats coming at you like you were a baseball at a batting cage. And who was talking about learning martial arts from movies? Listen, if you are trying to do that, I suggest you find a different method of training, because all your talk about Gracies won't make you able to defend yourself when you really need it.
Littledragon
Above The Law
yudansha said:
I do martial arts and have not learned it from movies. Tell me what would you do in a street fight, you wouldnt use any karate block or kick if bats were swinging toward you..
yudansha
TheGreatOne
I do not do karate.
I would definitely try and block the bats from smashing my head (more like I'd avoid the bats, and redirect the blows). I would not use a gun or a knife (that wouldn't be fair ... lol that reminds me of that quote "You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.").
First of all, I wouldn't provoke anything; and second of all, I'd rather break my hand defending myself than be in a coma.
I would definitely try and block the bats from smashing my head (more like I'd avoid the bats, and redirect the blows). I would not use a gun or a knife (that wouldn't be fair ... lol that reminds me of that quote "You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.").
First of all, I wouldn't provoke anything; and second of all, I'd rather break my hand defending myself than be in a coma.
Littledragon
Above The Law
yudansha said:
Same thing I would do lol.
“The problem is its all IF IF, Gracie actually takes action and not just talk and theory. Jiu-Jitsu is not a sport but one of the greatest martial arts besides Jeet Kune Do (imo) for street self-defense, I really don't think you have seen Gracie fight. He would kill Seagal in a "street" situation, whats Seagal gona do when he is on the ground??
Without a doubt the BEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME IS BRUCE LEE!! ;-)”~littledragon
Does someone want to tell me what this means? I have NO idea!
“The problem is its all IF IF”
How is that any different from the Gracies? How many REALLY good martial artists have the Gracies fought that had the intent to kill on their mind? I’m going to venture a guess, none.
“Gracie actually takes action and not just talk and theory.”
No they don’t, they spare with other stylizes. How is this different from any school that spares with themselves, and please don’t give me the cross MA effectiveness crap. You need to TRULY understand your own art before you start that. I don’t know many martial artists that understand much of their art at all. That is probable why the Gracies win so often.
Jujitsu is a great martial art, but which one?
“Jiu-Jitsu is not a sport but one of the greatest martial arts besides Jeet Kune Do (imo) for street self-defense”
I’d have to agree that Jeet Kune Do is an ok street self-defense, but that’s all. It would get smash on the battlefields of futile Japan, the birth place of Daito Ryu Aiki-jujitsu. Street confrontations aren’t anywhere near as bad as 30 trained samurai with katana all wanting to gill you like a fish. (just a small reality difference there)
“I really don't think you have seen Gracie fight. He would kill Seagal in a "street" situation, whats Seagal gona do when he is on the ground??”
You are dealing with this in an entirely wrong frame. In a “street” situation, “as in a situation not including a rink and rules”, what would Gracie do once Seagal put him on the ground?? Answer: Nothing, because Seagal killed him putting him their since there weren’t any rules stopping him from doing so.
Well I’m done with the dragon, now it is time to move on to yudansha’s thought.
For starters: “Jett Kune Do is a combination of various fractions of different martial arts. It was said, that JKD contains the main 'ingredients' of martial arts. The kung-fu part in JKD is in fact inferior to Wing Chun but only because it does not include (like you said) all of the components, but JKD includes other forms that Wing Chun does not possess. So, saying that JKD in itself is inferior to Wing Chun is just silly. You really cannot compare such ... just like you cannot say who really is the greatest martial artist alive.”
Ever hear the old adage: “A jack of all trades, but a master of none”? That completely sums up my feelings about Bruce Lee and his art, and all the other “street fighters” out there.
“Hey Bushido, may I ask you something? It seems like you are an experienced martial artist. What style do you do? ... and are you ranked?”
Well thank you very much for the compliment. However I wish to refrain from answering, as an answer could only serve to do more harm than good. If I tell you the arts that I study and the experience that I have then you will judge me on that, for good or for bad. I would like whatever wisdom, knowledge, or experience I might lend to stand on it’s own in you mind of it’s own self-worth, and for you judge it’s value instead.
Without a doubt the BEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME IS BRUCE LEE!! ;-)”~littledragon
Does someone want to tell me what this means? I have NO idea!
“The problem is its all IF IF”
How is that any different from the Gracies? How many REALLY good martial artists have the Gracies fought that had the intent to kill on their mind? I’m going to venture a guess, none.
“Gracie actually takes action and not just talk and theory.”
No they don’t, they spare with other stylizes. How is this different from any school that spares with themselves, and please don’t give me the cross MA effectiveness crap. You need to TRULY understand your own art before you start that. I don’t know many martial artists that understand much of their art at all. That is probable why the Gracies win so often.
Jujitsu is a great martial art, but which one?
“Jiu-Jitsu is not a sport but one of the greatest martial arts besides Jeet Kune Do (imo) for street self-defense”
I’d have to agree that Jeet Kune Do is an ok street self-defense, but that’s all. It would get smash on the battlefields of futile Japan, the birth place of Daito Ryu Aiki-jujitsu. Street confrontations aren’t anywhere near as bad as 30 trained samurai with katana all wanting to gill you like a fish. (just a small reality difference there)
“I really don't think you have seen Gracie fight. He would kill Seagal in a "street" situation, whats Seagal gona do when he is on the ground??”
You are dealing with this in an entirely wrong frame. In a “street” situation, “as in a situation not including a rink and rules”, what would Gracie do once Seagal put him on the ground?? Answer: Nothing, because Seagal killed him putting him their since there weren’t any rules stopping him from doing so.
Well I’m done with the dragon, now it is time to move on to yudansha’s thought.
For starters: “Jett Kune Do is a combination of various fractions of different martial arts. It was said, that JKD contains the main 'ingredients' of martial arts. The kung-fu part in JKD is in fact inferior to Wing Chun but only because it does not include (like you said) all of the components, but JKD includes other forms that Wing Chun does not possess. So, saying that JKD in itself is inferior to Wing Chun is just silly. You really cannot compare such ... just like you cannot say who really is the greatest martial artist alive.”
Ever hear the old adage: “A jack of all trades, but a master of none”? That completely sums up my feelings about Bruce Lee and his art, and all the other “street fighters” out there.
“Hey Bushido, may I ask you something? It seems like you are an experienced martial artist. What style do you do? ... and are you ranked?”
Well thank you very much for the compliment. However I wish to refrain from answering, as an answer could only serve to do more harm than good. If I tell you the arts that I study and the experience that I have then you will judge me on that, for good or for bad. I would like whatever wisdom, knowledge, or experience I might lend to stand on it’s own in you mind of it’s own self-worth, and for you judge it’s value instead.
"I do martial arts and have not learned it from movies. Tell me what would you do in a street fight, you wouldnt use any karate block or kick if bats were swinging toward you.."~LD
I can tell you one thing for sure... I wouldn't shoot in on them!
(oh, to beable to correct errors farther than 5 min.)
I can tell you one thing for sure... I wouldn't shoot in on them!
(oh, to beable to correct errors farther than 5 min.)
Bushido said:
Are you able to access your "Edit" button, next to the "Quote" button at the bottom of the post? You should be able to click that and edit your post at any time.
If your "Edit" button isn't there, let us know. Someone else had the same problem and we need to make Craig aware of any others with the same difficulty.
Bushido said:
Glad you found your way here and like it.
I wasn't at the original site, but I've heard from almost everyone who was that this is indeed a much better place to be. I've been here almost a year and this is the greatest place on the internet. Craig is the creator and owner, and it's thanks to him and the senior administrators, who were all at the original site, that it's become so popular and maintained such high standards. Them, plus all the terrific members, of course! 
I'm sure you'll enjoy being a part of it. Hope to see more posts from you in the future.
ORANGATUANG
Wildfire
Serena.lol you will "leg" Craig know eh?...lol..Whoaaa i better not get carried away to much any more just that "this" guy here iam so passionate about and i just get my claws out when it gets up my graw...I will just have to bite down real hard if any one pisses me off....Heather.
yudansha
TheGreatOne
No judgement ... just background.
JKD was designed by Bruce Lee as a way of practical self-defence. A system that would allow you to defend yourself on the streets in the most effective manner. Just so you know, samurais do not exist anymore. It's kind of like picking out a defence system against ninjas (who do not exist either ... and that art is even banned from Japan). Why would you need to defend yourself from a samurai? Do you see an army of those somewhere trying to defend their territory? Do you see people on the streets walking with swords and glaring at people like they're going to snatch purses off of the old ladies? And, today's armies (of any nation) can wipe out any 'army' of martial artists you can think of (samurais, etc.) ... so I found it kind of strange that you were taking defence to a samurai as a need that must be fulfilled. I'm not saying that JKD is the most effective or the 'greatest' martial arts system out there ... just commenting on what you said, so take it as you will.
JKD was designed by Bruce Lee as a way of practical self-defence. A system that would allow you to defend yourself on the streets in the most effective manner. Just so you know, samurais do not exist anymore. It's kind of like picking out a defence system against ninjas (who do not exist either ... and that art is even banned from Japan). Why would you need to defend yourself from a samurai? Do you see an army of those somewhere trying to defend their territory? Do you see people on the streets walking with swords and glaring at people like they're going to snatch purses off of the old ladies? And, today's armies (of any nation) can wipe out any 'army' of martial artists you can think of (samurais, etc.) ... so I found it kind of strange that you were taking defence to a samurai as a need that must be fulfilled. I'm not saying that JKD is the most effective or the 'greatest' martial arts system out there ... just commenting on what you said, so take it as you will.